[Roy Cauldery]

See a solicitor and get some advice.

This is the only answer you need( and then fire his ar*e for negligence)
I have a lad whose driving style scares the bejesus out of the rest of us-he has been told on lots of occasions about care of company vehicles,but needless to say-I'm dreading the phone call

[bobby p]

See a solicitor and get some advice.

This is the only answer you need( and then fire his ar*e for negligence)
I have a lad whose driving style scares the bejesus out of the rest of us-he has been told on lots of occasions about care of company vehicles,but needless to say-I'm dreading the phone call

 you got it in one Roy- it was only a matter of time till he crashed and i knew it deep down but you know what its like when you are busy

 i guess im just going to have to muddle thru with 1 van for now- im going to sit down this weekend and rearrange the rounds so that a lot of it can be done on foot, maybe even with a handcart  for the ladders  . i think this will be possible and might even be popular on the street.  Just before i added my second van we had a few days or so of  trying part the round on foot and it did work but wasnt liked as the distances got silly,but i hadnt organized it right that time

when i rang my insurance up last night the guy reckons they will likely go for a knock-for-knock deal as the actual collision was on a Keep Clear area so they will argue for me on that- who knows maybe i will get something for my old van instead of being totally out of pocket

[Richard iSparkle]

See a solicitor and get some advice.

This is the only answer you need( and then fire his ar*e for negligence)
I have a lad whose driving style scares the bejesus out of the rest of us-he has been told on lots of occasions about care of company vehicles,but needless to say-I'm dreading the phone call

arent you worried that by driving like that he'll be giving you a bad reputation also?  if you're vans sign written i'd be very concerned.  better to sack him now than wait for an accident

[Spruce]

so heres a question for you boys....If a staff member writes off your van and it was their fault, can you sack them for negligence?

probably have to go through the process - verbal warning, written warning, then dismissal. Could be expensive van wise.

[Nick Wareham]

you got it in one Roy- it was only a matter of time till he crashed and i knew it deep down but you know what its like when you are busy

 i guess im just going to have to muddle thru with 1 van for now- im going to sit down this weekend and rearrange the rounds so that a lot of it can be done on foot, maybe even with a handcart  for the ladders  . i think this will be possible and might even be popular on the street.  Just before i added my second van we had a few days or so of  trying part the round on foot and it did work but wasnt liked as the distances got silly,but i hadnt organized it right that time

when i rang my insurance up last night the guy reckons they will likely go for a knock-for-knock deal as the actual collision was on a Keep Clear area so they will argue for me on that- who knows maybe i will get something for my old van instead of being totally out of pocket

You can get courtesy van and system sometimes, the insurance pays for the hire.  I know this because someone I know had their van written off because some muppet crashed into it when parked.

The other party's insurance paid for the hire of a van and system for 5 weeks until his van was replaced.  They had some problem finding a company to hire from, as far as I know there is only one, Alexander Swan.  They have 3 or 4 'courtesy' vans for their own policy holders but also hire them out to other insurance companies in the case of an accident.

Might be worth looking into rather than doing the work on foot!

[H S and Son]

His fault ,

buy another van and take it out of his wages at £50 per week..... regardless of any insurance claims.

On that basis the electrician who wired the signals at Clapham Junction should have his wages docked to pay for three new trains and carriages.

Why do people jump on the 'sack him' band wagon. Apparently the guy is a great window cleaner, in that regard it might not be such a good idea to bin him; good workers are hard to come by. Bobby admitted he felt the guy was a tad hasty behind the wheel, you better look at why you let him carry on driving then Bobby.

If he's signed off sick it might be because he's hurt. If I was hurt I get signed off sick too. Just because he gets signed off doesn't mean he's trying to pull a fast one. He might, but he might also not be. Glass half empty.

[rosskesava]

I don't employ now but I have done in the past.

Me, I'd sack the bloke straight away. Misuse of company property and or driving in a way that resulted in a written off van to me is gross misconduct.

By his recklessness, he has an accident, which you witnessed, and he expects sick pay? To my mind, he injured himself by his own actions.

I wouldn't even be nice about it or apologetic. He caused this, it going to cost you money and a lot of grief replacing the van quickly and unless he's going to immediately compensate you, sack him.

[bobby p]

iv had all manner of claims firms ringing me today plus my window lad wanting the womans details who he pranged

i just went round to see him and he is adamant hes claiming for whiplash . thing is we chatted 15 minutes and his head was moving normally and no mention of any pain

i told him you put in a claim and iv no longer any work for you .  you could come back tomoro or a weeks time but oh no hes  hes in for the compo ,smells money

[H S and Son]

What difference does it make to you if he puts a claim in, the vans a write-off, your premium is going up regardless.

[johnny bravo]

he will be the one to come out of this smiling,   he shouldnt get any compo if its found to be his fault,  though he may still pocket a couple of grand,   hes taking the p..s

[g.brookes]

its examples like this that cause all our insurance to increase year on year

[Roy Cauldery]

See a solicitor and get some advice.

This is the only answer you need( and then fire his ar*e for negligence)
I have a lad whose driving style scares the bejesus out of the rest of us-he has been told on lots of occasions about care of company vehicles,but needless to say-I'm dreading the phone call

arent you worried that by driving like that he'll be giving you a bad reputation also?  if you're vans sign written i'd be very concerned.  better to sack him now than wait for an accident

To a degree Richard I agree with you
and heres the BUT
He's a good grafter,he's built the business in a good way-with time and a baby on the way,I'm expecting him to mellow and be less Jeremy Clarkson and more James May(captain slow)
I'm willing to trust my staff do do the right thing-If I didnt and micro managed,then the boys would soon get fed up and jack it in.
Also I'm ex-army- and as a leader(of my own business) I have to put the trust that the hard stuff,will get done by highly motivated and enthusiastic troops on the ground
Theres no easy answer as the boss man-but I wish Bobby all the best as its gonna be a long haul

regards
Roy

[Frankybadboy]

whiplash can take days to come out after a accident

[wightsurf]

If you where to push for,it was all your employees fault and lose on the van insurance.Your employee will not have a claim  for whiplash.

where you third party or fully comp?

[BVC]

Tell him to buy a van with compo money. Then offer sub his existing work back to him on the condition he resigns. I would never employ again.

BVC.

[bobby p]

If you where to push for,it was all your employees fault and lose on the van insurance.Your employee will not have a claim  for whiplash.

where you third party or fully comp?

3rd party .  im expecting to hear in a few days the extent of the Audi tt damage claim , itll be at least a thou or 2 .  however it did drive away so not busted too badly - who knows she might be another one with a WHIPLASH claim


  iv been ignoring the 2 claim companys who have been ringing me on his behalf.  

  

[wightsurf]

Quote  iv been ignoring the 2 claim companys who have been ringing me on his behalf. 

Best way,dont say anything that they can use.

[Ian101]

May want to take a read of this ... copied important bit for you 


‘The judge threw the case out, and the driver has to pay mine and his legal fees, which have come to £5,000,’ said Mr Robinson.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093291/The-great-whiplash-backlash-starts-How-man-fought-bogus-car-insurance-scandal.html#ixzz20MGRUi9M

[rosskesava]

If anyone phones about the accident, never say who you are, never say anything. Just put the phone down. Even if you get a call claiming to be from your insurance company, ring them back then you know you are actually talking to them.

The only time you give your name is when you phone up your insurance company.

Sack the bloke. If you don't, anyone involved with any claim on your employees behalf will try to treat that as you didn't sack him because you knew you were liable in some respect.

Better still, get independent legal advice and keep a diary of what actions you took from the outset. Put the time, the date and sign it.

Trust me on this. Been there myself but not in quite the same way.

[bobby p]

thanks for the advice lads ,im taking it all in.  

  there was another of my workers alongside him in the van when it crashed and he has carried on working for me normally,no whiplash   and he says he should "man up "