[richywilts]

I don't understand most pros on here I posted couple of weeks ago saying going to go vat registered n rebuild business got.slagged down for it then I say I'm thinking of going alone get slagged down,get moaned.at for.being lazy not.cleaning but if I didn't.let.Andy do 90% of.work he wouldn't earn enough money to keep.him in the job, I post honestly on here for.honest advice and I listen to a few experienced members n do take on board what people say I'm just really worried about which way to.go grow a bit more or Downsize and have an easy life for couple.of years n get.my head together or sell up

[ashbash]

are you incapeable of doing the round or just dont want to. u have a very profitable bussiness on your hands and the summer is here. get rid of the dipstick working for you. employ someone on a self employed basis as its easier for you. have him 3 days a week and do big days on them days. polish of whats remainig on the 4th day and collect thursday or friday u will end up getting 3 days of a week with no stress and your bussiness being a bussiness and not just a joke. i was in a similar position as u workwise and this is what ive done and it worked great for me.
 your either being lazy or stupid but either of these problems can be sorted with  kick up the arse pal
all the best

[daniel worgan]

I don't understand most pros on here I posted couple of weeks ago saying going to go vat registered n rebuild business got.slagged down for it then I say I'm thinking of going alone get slagged down,get moaned.at for.being lazy not.cleaning but if I didn't.let.Andy do 90% of.work he wouldn't earn enough money to keep.him in the job, I post honestly on here for.honest advice and I listen to a few experienced members n do take on board what people say I'm just really worried about which way to.go grow a bit more or Downsize and have an easy life for couple.of years n get.my head together or sell up

Well theres your answer then mate.....
You are paying out (what you call good wages) for someone to do 90% of your workload....wtf is that about...you need your brains testing if you are only doing 10% of the work...you are basically supporting someone else when you could be doing it yourself.
I know some of us have a pop at you,but then you are asking open questions on an open forum,if you want to hear only good stuff then go and ask your mum if she thinks you are doing a good job.
As i said previously (and imo it is even more relevant now i know you are making your bloke do 90% of the work)....get off your arse and do it yourself....it wont be downsizing will it,it will basically mean you are earning all the money for a round that you should be able to cope with anyway.....jesus i thought i was limited in grey matter!!

[Paul H]

So that's a great post?

Sounds like the type of worthless crud that managers would come out with when I was an employee years ago.

It sounds great and ticks all the right boxes and is pro active but.......

HAHAHA... you sound like a worthless crud employee the would be an employers nightmare..opposed to change opposed to ideas opposed to direction opposed to everything everyone above suggested...typical union / barrackroom lawer type.... its tried and tested.. its does work.... having the skill and ability to manage and make it work is different thing... i can talk the talk.... and walk the walk.... can you

[Johnny B]

Richie, here's a serious idea which I hope you will consider.

Why not go out and work side by side with him. You should be able to knock out £500 per day between you. Pay him a percentage for work done together (25% for example).

By Friday you will have turned over £2500, your share will be £1875 less your running costs, his will be £625. For that wage you can expect perfection from him and if there are any complaints that are down to him you can put in a system to dock his wages.

John
    
  

[danny martin]

gav lammy you wish you owned all of cheshire iv heard that by so many peole over the years lol

[Roy Cauldery]

Richie, here's a serious idea which I hope you will consider.

Why not go out and work side by side with him. You should be able to knock out £500 per day between you. Pay him a percentage for work done together (25% for example).

By Friday you will have turned over £2500, your share will be £1875 less your running costs, his will be £625. For that wage you can expect perfection from him and if there are any complaints that are down to him you can put in a system to dock his wages.

John
    
Good plan that man
  

[Nameless Drudge]

Richie, here's a serious idea which I hope you will consider.

Why not go out and work side by side with him. You should be able to knock out £500 per day between you. Pay him a percentage for work done together (25% for example).

By Friday you will have turned over £2500, your share will be £1875 less your running costs, his will be £625. For that wage you can expect perfection from him and if there are any complaints that are down to him you can put in a system to dock his wages.

John
    
Good plan that man
  

The last thing needed here is more pie in the sky talk or the airy fairy pep talk nonsense.FFS.its simple window cleaning.

How about the employee goes out and does a mint job cleaning windows at a sustainable pace,then add that up!Then take   30 days including the setbacks,bad weather etc and add that up,then add the next 30 days,factor in holidays,easy days after getting through a good workload UNEXPECTEDLY!Add that up and get out of cuckoo land FFS.

If the employee does £300 he is not doing a good job and YET  is likely working at an unsustainable pace due to the speed involved.So he needs slowing down to average probably £200 over 5 days and he`s worth his bloody weight in gold at that.His gross pay ought to top £400.
 So we have 1 guy doing £200,then Richy gets  fed up after £180 AS HE HAS SAID, SO THATS UNSUSTAINABLE and this is them on their own.Put them together and the gross total falls so where £500 a day between 2 comes from i cannot fathom.

Anyway the answer to the original post about the employee is again very very simple.

The guy needs to be paid more and asked to do less with a quality control element added.. There is nothing difficult about that.

 
 

[Johnny B]

Richie, here's a serious idea which I hope you will consider.

Why not go out and work side by side with him. You should be able to knock out £500 per day between you. Pay him a percentage for work done together (25% for example).

By Friday you will have turned over £2500, your share will be £1875 less your running costs, his will be £625. For that wage you can expect perfection from him and if there are any complaints that are down to him you can put in a system to dock his wages.

John
    
Good plan that man
  

The last thing needed here is more pie in the sky talk or the airy fairy pep talk nonsense.FFS.its simple window cleaning.

How about the employee goes out and does a mint job cleaning windows at a sustainable pace,then add that up!Then take   30 days including the setbacks,bad weather etc and add that up,then add the next 30 days,factor in holidays,easy days after getting through a good workload UNEXPECTEDLY!Add that up and get out of cuckoo land FFS.

If the employee does £300 he is not doing a good job and YET  is likely working at an unsustainable pace due to the speed involved.So he needs slowing down to average probably £200 over 5 days and he`s worth his bloody weight in gold at that.His gross pay ought to top £400.
 So we have 1 guy doing £200,then Richy gets  fed up after £180 AS HE HAS SAID SO THATS UNSUSTAINABLE and this is them on their own.Put them together and the gross total falls so where £500 a day between 2 comes from i cannot fathom.

Anyway the answer to the original post about the employee is again very very simple.

The guy needs to be paid more and asked to do less with a quality control element added.. There is nothing difficult about that.

 
 

The idea of £500 was based around Richie's figures of £300 (x2 if he works with the guy) then knocking off £100 to ease the pressure a little. 

Whatever target it set at the end of the day/week, I am suggesting a principle, not a hard and fast rule.

Yes it is simple window cleaning, and it doesn't get any simpler than the way I run my business. 

John

 

[Nameless Drudge]

And then get another guy alongside him and look to average £350 a day between them and you hoover around the rest,first cleans,getting customers back in sync etc.,a bit of cherry picking.

In fact if you CAN keep this bloke then a co-worker is the next step.Ditch the mentor if they are telling you any different and don`t be greedy.

Repeat 5 or 6 times over until you realise that all the hassle is not worth it and a nice compact well priced round done by yourself and a part time helper with a few tax free perks is a far better way to live

[islwyn]

nameless drudge speaking sense. only come to this site when i get a cancellation. this post caught my eye. can't remember posting b4. Gonna regret posting this. So much i wanna ask. The main estion (no  on the keyboard), for those who sussed there is no line of people waiting patiently in an orderly fashion? lets begin.
Why on earth post that a bloke earns u x amount a day? to become a window cleaner takes sweet FA. Please stop the nonsense, go on a plumbers forum, or a sparkies or a anything. People do not discuss these things. We are not in middle of recession, we just entering. 1.50 a litre of diesel? this forum is open. your worker probably losing work coz people (custies,chavs) will not tell u how much their credit card bill is each month? feed the kids, pay the council tax or lose the w/c? you are killing a trade. nobody will admit they are losing customers. Get off ur arse. Or learn a trade. x taxman does look, 350 a day off one worker, good luck guys. Know i gonna get stick for posting this, but come on, does the original poster own a window cleaning supply business. Make it an easter resolution, do not respond to the muppet uestions(form an orderly ue) x

[Richard iSparkle]

hi richy,

sorry to hear youre having problems again.  staff can be really frustrating!!!

only you know the makeup of your rounds and only you know what's realistic or not.

it may well be best to make a clean start and sack him then work the rounds yourself, or with a new min wage helper.  then at least you can sort them out and know exactly what is realistic or possible.  you can also make sure the quality is there.

with the wage you re paying this guy though he would need to be superman to make him an asset to your business.  doesnt sound like he is that though.

good luck.  tricky decision.

R

[bobby p]

i would get in a second worker pronto ,to share the load cos if your main man quits you wont cope with the workload alone . find somebody he can laff with

[richywilts]

To be honest there is more work I'd be happy to let go if he went so I cud redu e workload

[rosskesava]

To be honest there is more work I'd be happy to let go if he went so I cud redu e workload

I don't want to sound patronising but you've answered your own question about what you need to do?

[Tom White]

Guys, I'm going to lock this post, for tonight only; I'll open it again tomorrow.

Why?

Some of the posts go beyond what I'd call banter.

Now be nice to each other.

Thank you.

 

[islwyn]

Andy, why reply? nobody else did. uite sure you will think about it over next few days. (don't forget to form an orderly line u ueen). Do urself a favour, don't reply!x

[Window Washers]

nameless drudge speaking sense. only come to this site when i get a cancellation. this post caught my eye. can't remember posting b4. Gonna regret posting this. So much i wanna ask. The main estion (no  on the keyboard), for those who sussed there is no line of people waiting patiently in an orderly fashion? lets begin.
Why on earth post that a bloke earns u x amount a day? to become a window cleaner takes sweet FA. Please stop the nonsense, go on a plumbers forum, or a sparkies or a anything. People do not discuss these things. We are not in middle of recession, we just entering. 1.50 a litre of diesel? this forum is open. your worker probably losing work coz people (custies,chavs) will not tell u how much their credit card bill is each month? feed the kids, pay the council tax or lose the w/c? you are killing a trade. nobody will admit they are losing customers. Get off ur arse. Or learn a trade. x taxman does look, 350 a day off one worker, good luck guys. Know i gonna get stick for posting this, but come on, does the original poster own a window cleaning supply business. Make it an easter resolution, do not respond to the muppet uestions(form an orderly ue) x

Maybe you should go back to school and learn about spelling and punctuation?

Don't you earn enough to buy a new keyboard?  

Andy with comments like that maybe you need to go back and learn some people skills, not everyone is good at written english, sadly comments like yours stop others from posting on here in fear of being ridiculed (probs spelt wrong) but being clever you should understand what I mean.
Now please go and stand in the corner and look at the wall.  

[dave0123]

you should be checking his work anyway! by plucking a handful of jobs out  per week and driving to them and looking at the quality of the windows... if your not more fool you! a lot of customers dont complain either just cancel or go elsewhere or put up with it... either way its not right... you wont get recomondation from it or good words been passed on to friends and family.

[M W.]

mixed over this, is 300 to much for a days.  like my self theres days i cant do any physical
work, but doesnt mean i aint working. re-calls/pricing/invoicing/research-new products etc etc etc, generally
keeping my finger on the pulse of this vast cleaning industry, doesnt mean i aint earning for the business.
had probs wi lads in the past like richy, F*KN AR*HOL*S, sum of which set themselves up and big them selves up on here, so ive being told.
got to go back to basics richy, show your face around, let customers no you care, promise unsatisfied ex customers YOU WILL do there cleaning from now on. personally £8 ph is good wages over 40 + hrs.