[Lee Pryor]

Im thinking about upgrading to hot before this winter sets in.

I want to know if the L5 is really any good?

How hot does it get the water?

how easy is it to install?

I see it runs on propane gas, so if you use it all day every day to clean how often does the gas need a refil and what is the cost?

Have you found the heater reliable?

lastly what was the total cost of setting it up and any other thoughts on this systmen?

[Count Phil]

I have one. It needs some modification.

Its a pain in the arse. It blows out, times out, thinks the flow rate is too low and turns off.

Window tools (peter fogwill) has one on a trolley. It isn't an L5 so I'm thinking it doesn't have the same problems. It can't have a blowing out problem because its on a trolley. It must work on a low flow rate because of low water supply in a trolley.

I want to know if the problems have been solved. Does anyone know?

[Lee Pryor]

anyone else?

[erithwc]

what about purefreedoms one its built for the job by the look of it and cost around £2000  http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/pure-freedom-isothermal-diesel-water-heater-p-297.html

[Lee Pryor]

bump

[gewindows]

Ive never had a problem with mine, its great. I used to use it initially when I first got it on every property, but only use it at the mo on gutters, connie roofs, bird strikes, first cleans etc. That may change once we get to the winter and temps drop radically.

It can get scalding hot if you have it set that way, hot enough to make a coffee with, which is handy, or you can set it to come out just luke warm.

This has taken me 3 minutes to type out, I figure that equates to about £20.00 ta muchly, just click on the following link to be taken directly to our payments page

http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/payments.htm

 

[tomy jackson]

if you put in write place never blows out .its cheper than desul to run ,you have to tell insorance youv got gas ,grate bit of kit  its very esy to fit iv got hoits se lock on the in and out , bolted to bulk head ,top of heater is just over a foot from van head lineing wich is hard bord never gets worm ,,it wos costing a bute £1 aday to run ,but as with all fuel thats moor now ??

[Lee Pryor]

Ive never had a problem with mine, its great. I used to use it initially when I first got it on every property, but only use it at the mo on gutters, connie roofs, bird strikes, first cleans etc. That may change once we get to the winter and temps drop radically.

It can get scalding hot if you have it set that way, hot enough to make a coffee with, which is handy, or you can set it to come out just luke warm.

This has taken me 3 minutes to type out, I figure that equates to about £20.00 ta muchly, just click on the following link to be taken directly to our payments page

http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/payments.htm

your like a dog with a bone matt, i will see you cash in my pocket yet, but only after you beg me to join, thanks for the info btw, I think I just might dive in and give it a go!

 

[gewindows]

i will see you cash in my pocket yet, but only after you beg me to join

I'll offer you a £100 bet that you wont and I dont to either of those. In fact £100 on each of those two criteria, so a £200 bet.





In fact to make it even more attractive to you; if I ever have to pay you for any sort of services to promote my business or gain me extra customers or work then I will give you £200, additionally if I ever have to come asking you for whatever it is you are trying to scheme then I will give you an extra £200.

So if youre as confident as you say you are about your up and coming project you should be in the clear to get £400 for doing nothing. Not bad. What you reckon? £400 to do what you want with, with absolutely no effort. Its a no-brainer Lee.

However, if I dont do either of those 2 things in the next 6 months you have to give me just £100.

Plus! The hundred pounds you give me I will not pocket personally, so I dont gain, it will go towards the sponsorship I am looking for regarding a 400 mile charity cycle ride Im doing next year in India.

How does that sound, put your money where your mouth is.

[gewindows]

So Lee, what do you think then? 

[Peter Fogwill]

I have one. It needs some modification.

Its a pain in the arse. It blows out, times out, thinks the flow rate is too low and turns off.

Window tools (peter fogwill) has one on a trolley. It isn't an L5 so I'm thinking it doesn't have the same problems. It can't have a blowing out problem because its on a trolley. It must work on a low flow rate because of low water supply in a trolley.

I want to know if the problems have been solved. Does anyone know?

Yes they have been solved.  I had a look at the L5 in the early stages but had to look elsewhere as they had no CE certification, so could not legally be sold in this country.

My HotWash comes on a metal securing frame which also holds two sealed compartments for securing and transporting gas bottles safely.  It has a gas escape to the outside should it develop a gas leak.  The heater itself runs on a low pressure with no automatic timed cut off.  It will also come with an extraction to the outside of the vehicle for exhaust.  And last but not least will also have a thermostat for overnight heating  should the temperature in the van reach a certain set temperature, the thermostat will start the pump, and stop it when van reaches the desired set temperature.

The HotWash will be available for sale in 4 weeks time, I have been guessing the availability until now but have a definite date of 17th November. 

The cost will be £400 plus VAT and delivery.  Fitting will be £100 but will be easily self fitted for anyone wanting to do it themselves.

I have had a lot of interest up to now with quite a few people wanting to join my list.  I will however a bit nearer the time take payments for immediate dispatch when they are available.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[Clive McDonald]

Hi Peter  Hi Lee

I have a question for Peter. Does the heater you are thinking of using have auto igniton?

My second point is that all heaters have an oxygen sensor which will auto cut off.What this means is if the doors of the van are shut the heater will shut down in about two minutes.This obviously hasn't occured to peter because although i do think it very clever that his version will auto start on a cold night, it may start on a cold night but will shut down because of this safety cut out within two minutes.

Sorry Peter back to the drawing board.


The sticky post ref clear view(CONCEPT O2) has the best system of this kind the price is over 2k.


I was the first on this forum to go hot and soon kicked the L5 into touch. I have a ce one.Matt (remember him) did say the l5 guy was getting certificated but i always thought this was baloney because of the huge costs, the cheapness of the units, and the low potential number of users.

L5 are unreliable, they can flame on when the flow stops, when the gas pressure is low (ie near empty bottle and very cold) the control becomes an idiot.

[Peter Fogwill]

I have a question for Peter. Does the heater you are thinking of using have auto igniton?

Hi, and yes it does have an auto ignition.

L5 are unreliable, they can flame on when the flow stops, when the gas pressure is low (ie near empty bottle and very cold) the control becomes an idiot.

I have never came across this not even once in the tests that were done.  I think with the CE certification there will be stricter quality control, and more stringent checks on important functions like the one you mentioned.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[CLEANCARE WC]

just out of genuine interest how long you been hotwater slumpbuster?

[Clive McDonald]

When i say i was the first i mean DIY. Obviously ionics did it years before and concept have some years on me too.But i know for a fact that i was the first on here.

I have been hot with an on demand system for (i think) about three years.


Other than the point i made about peters system not being able to self start- and believe me it can not operate with the van doors closed- I do think that peters sounds a very good system and a good price.He is right about the CE mark.

[CLEANCARE WC]

I am glad you cracked my davinci code lol, dont know what happened there! hofooler = hot water 

[Ste M]

I have one. It needs some modification.

Its a pain in the arse. It blows out, times out, thinks the flow rate is too low and turns off.

Window tools (peter fogwill) has one on a trolley. It isn't an L5 so I'm thinking it doesn't have the same problems. It can't have a blowing out problem because its on a trolley. It must work on a low flow rate because of low water supply in a trolley.

I want to know if the problems have been solved. Does anyone know?

Yes they have been solved.  I had a look at the L5 in the early stages but had to look elsewhere as they had no CE certification, so could not legally be sold in this country.

My HotWash comes on a metal securing frame which also holds two sealed compartments for securing and transporting gas bottles safely.  It has a gas escape to the outside should it develop a gas leak.  The heater itself runs on a low pressure with no automatic timed cut off.  It will also come with an extraction to the outside of the vehicle for exhaust.  And last but not least will also have a thermostat for overnight heating  should the temperature in the van reach a certain set temperature, the thermostat will start the pump, and stop it when van reaches the desired set temperature.

The HotWash will be available for sale in 4 weeks time, I have been guessing the availability until now but have a definite date of 17th November. 

The cost will be £400 plus VAT and delivery.  Fitting will be £100 but will be easily self fitted for anyone wanting to do it themselves.

I have had a lot of interest up to now with quite a few people wanting to join my list.  I will however a bit nearer the time take payments for immediate dispatch when they are available.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

An im hoping that im very near the top of that list

[Clive McDonald]

The reason most suppliers have not done this before is because of legal and not technical issues.It is possible to sell replica swords, and wide blade knives and daggers for a huge profit.What deters most people from doing this is the prospect of a jail sentence for doing so.

I feel there is a lack of understanding of some of the issues.Some systems have a powered flue, some have an lpg conversion put in where the spare wheel goes.

[ian1972]

Or u could leave window of van open a couple of centermeters,I used l5 for around a yr now only thing I don't like about it is the 17 min cut out,easily got round wit the remote control,and to point out it normally font take 17 mins do a house

[Nathanael Jones]

I have an L5 system (and it suffers none of the issues you mentioned) which will run with the van doors closed,... I just put loads of air vents in,.. one takes the exhaust fumes & 3 to let in fresh air.