[Dave Roberts]

It's like the third of the new Star Wars films all over again; where Annakin goes over to the dark side of the force!

Don't do it Jason! ........... Invest in new vans, or expand, or buy 20 Rotaries! 

(They make great goal posts in the garden).

 

[garry22]

LM cleaning is mostly inferior to TM cleaning

Except on dense low profile tiles / carpets.   

Whether you use a Rug Doctor or a truck mounted system, if you cannot get an airflow you are in trouble.

Garry,

Regular user of LM, HWE and HOST (not all at the same time

Jason, re tax. Why not go to some two week sales course on Maui? It's even nicer than Bournemouth.

[jasonl]

It wont cost a lot , about 4grand brand new net of VAT and Tax  for a prowler, written down over 4 years is a grand a year.   I have no expectations for much extra work or profit ,  you never know though, sometimes it is a case of "build it and they will come"

[jasonl]

Gary, done that, went on a cruise round Caribbean with Chem-Dry , it was great. Got  Vegas in 6 weeks for connections.

[Phillip Mold]

Well, what can I say, me and my Ninja had a long but profitable day, took the Mrs out for a meal and whilst she is powdering her nose had time to read this whole thread through twice.

Rarely can I have felt so much like wishing I could knock heads together.

For goodness sake can any one believe that any one system is always better than one one other system?

Can any 2 1/2 adults ever agree to disagree?

Is it any wonder so many like me read so much and post so little?

Bottom line chaps, if you have customers who like what you do and are prepared to pay enough to make you what you are happy enough to call a reasonable income then be happy!

[Mark_Jubb]

Well, what can I say, me and my Ninja had a long but profitable day, took the Mrs out for a meal and whilst she is powdering her nose had time to read this whole thread through twice.

Rarely can I have felt so much like wishing I could knock heads together.

For goodness sake can any one believe that any one system is always better than one one other system?

Can any 2 1/2 adults ever agree to disagree?

Is it any wonder so many like me read so much and post so little

Bottom line chaps, if you have customers who like what you do and are prepared to pay enough to make you what you are happy enough to call a reasonable income then be happy!

Well said Phillip

[Carpet Dawg]

Very rich coming from you David/Dean! I'll say it again, i think you need to stop snorting your dry cleaning powder! You've come across like a wee spolit school girl on these forums from day one! telling lies, hiding behind different usernames, offensive remarks, banging on how all other none LM cleaning methods are rubbish then you have a hissy fit and storm out!
I'm 27 and i know for a fact i have more maturity in my little finger than you'll ever have!

You keep digging yourself a huge hole everytime you open your gob mate!   keep talking, someday you might say something intelligent....

What are you doing back here anyway?? you seem to know everything about everything to do with LM cleaning and you clearly have no intrest in any other cleaning methods! So is it just to show off? Or to annoy everyone with your dribble?

[carpetworx]

Sorry Simon, but both sides look crap to me.

[Simon Gerrard]

You should have seen them before we started. The customer was so chuffed with the result they've book us to do five more floors worth £3.5k.

Simon

[Neil Williams]

You should have seen them before we started. The customer was so chuffed with the result they've book us to do five more floors worth £3.5k.

As this topic seems to have become a bit disjointed with who hates who the most, do I presume you did this job with LM, and if you did have you changed your views on it now?

[Peter Blackburn]

We have struggled with heavily soiled low profiles for years. They wick back every time with HWE. L/M is just skimming the surface clean in my opinion.
We now up-lift sections of carpet or tiles and take away for submersible cleaning. We re-fit carpet or tiles with good flooring adhesive and they look perfect every time.   

Regards
Pete 

[Dave Roberts]

Doesn't sond like an economical option to me.

In my experience, commercial customers want presentability, not a certificate of scientific sterility.  I know my commercial customers (including a national funeral home chain) would not pay the rates required to do the stages suggested above, but are very happy with the economical and thorough clean they get from my Dry Fusion service.

[Simon Gerrard]

Neil,
Where on earth have you got the, 'who hates who the most' from?
Just because people disagree about one method to another doesn't imply hatred, does it?

Simon

[Neil Williams]

Neil,
Where on earth have you got the, 'who hates who the most' from?
Just because people disagree about one method to another doesn't imply hatred, does it?

Just look further up the thread for a bit of name calling.
Anyway as I asked, did you use LM and have you now accepted it as a means to produce good results, quite quickly, without the backache, and producing good income.
That was my main question.  

[Simon Gerrard]

Neil,
No, I don't think I have, but only because I haven't yet got a result with LM that I consider cleaning. Having talked to lots of people I think the guy's in the box seat here are the one's that offer the whole range of cleaning systems and not just one. I have always believed that as a professional carpet cleaner you should have the means to clean any carpet regardless of age, colour, soil conditions, or location and the only way of doing that is by having all of the cleaning systems available to you - but that's just me and many, especially those down the LM and VLM only routes will disagree, some quite vehemently, but if it comes to the point of becoming hatred to a fellow CC'er, then you can count me out.

Simon

[Neil Williams]

I'm amazed that you have picked up £3.5k of work in one place and you're still not convinced. Even after the customer was clearly pleased with the results you did already.
I think the vast majority of us on here would be falling over ourselves with untold joy if we picked that amount up.
Anyway I agree that we should carry suitable variants of equipment to deal with various situations. Padding is useless in a flood situation and a high powered TM is useless for low profile tiles which probably aren't stuck down firmly enough.

[Simon Gerrard]

Neil,
Sorry, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. We picked up this work from a previous cleaner who used LM, we cleaned it with a TM and then bonneted over the result to prevent wick back. The client has now specified that we do the same on all floors to get the carpets clean again. This isn't a victory for LM, if anything it shows the limitations of LM, especially in the wrong hands.

Simon

[Simon Gerrard]

What was really odd about the first session we did on these carpets was the water from the Truck Mount's auto pump out was a milky white. God alone knows what had been used on the carpets before but I'm assuming it must have been granules that hadn't been properly removed.


Simon

[Dave Roberts]

It's unlikely residual dry granules would come out white.... dry compound left in carpets tend to come out the other way - dark orange / brown / dark grey.   As it's sat there in the carpet, it's continued absorbing soil, so it will rarely stay it's original colour or 'bleach' to a lighter colour.   

Sounds more like a residual shampoo, rather than granules. 

[Simon Gerrard]

Residual shampoo? I don't think so as it would frothed up rather than have formed a milky white liquid.
We did a job the other day where a CC had spread dri granules all over a carpet that had water marks in it and it had dried white. Fortunately the chairman's PA had the good sense to stop the guy before he spread any more. Amazingly he had no intention of vaccing them out and was fully intending to leave them there.