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Mr Dvae

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2010, 07:12:00 am »
You said it Simon... Practise this 'art', it really is an art and you get better at it in time. The more you practise the better you get. I was discussing with Dave ingram that it's a shame there isn;t a training course on how to get the results that you want using pad cleaning.
A number of factors influence the final result:

1 The chemical u use
2 the type of pad that u r using
3 the speed &  weight of the machine u r using (this can make a big difference)
4 The type and condition of the carpet to be cleaned
5  And of course finally there is you.

I certainly don;t consider myself to be a master padder, but these are just a few observations i have made over the last few thousand yrds of carpet that i've padded.
best regards


Dave

clinton

Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2010, 07:42:26 am »
Good post dave..

The things you posted in the list are all important.

I do a fair amount of lm cleaning(muck spreading to some) and get superb results..

Also the speed of the machine is a factor and less chance of scorch marks and they are easily done ::)

absolutecleaning

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2010, 08:06:27 am »

Also the speed of the machine is a factor and less chance of scorch marks and they are easily done ::)


Clinton - do you mean it needs to be a slow machine to avoid this (thats what I've always thought although havent done any lm myself yet.)

Cheers

Simon

jasonl

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2010, 08:19:05 am »
I use a twin speed , always use it at 380 RPM I have yet to make any scorch marks , just keep it all wet and there will be no problems.
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

garry22

Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2010, 12:42:53 pm »
Can I just point out that when we say "wet" pads, we do not mean sopping wet.

If you do this you will have a lovely round, machine sized, wick back mark the next day. It will literally be a large circular stain / mark in the middle of a lovely clean carpet. This is caused by resting the machine on a pad that is too wet, immediately prior to cleaning.

Been there, done it!

Simon Gerrard

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2010, 02:51:51 pm »
I'm going to using an RX20 with a drive plate fitted, 130 rpm.

Simon

robert meldrum

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2010, 03:11:59 pm »
Jason...........do you use a " skirt " the machine to avoid spraying areas / items you never intended to get wet, as even at 175 there's always moderate spraying, expect it's much greater at 350.

Robert Watson

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2010, 05:54:41 pm »
Hi Simon.
I would be very interested to know how you find the time difference, between using a RX20 with hot water and bonneting. 
Cheers
Rab.
The Kitchen Door Centre

jasonl

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2010, 08:07:05 pm »
Jason...........do you use a " skirt " the machine to avoid spraying areas / items you never intended to get wet, as even at 175 there's always moderate spraying, expect it's much greater at 350.


No , as has been said , do not soak the pads , spraying non cleaned areas has never been a problem
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

Dean Wilson

Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2010, 09:47:09 pm »

Simon, IMO the reason for the bad results was clearly your lack of knowledge on the subject. that's not a criticism, you just clearly need to learn what works well on the LM rotary system. As Jason said, it's night and day to HWE. Your first mistake was using Pure Clean. It's about as far away from most LM cleaners Top 5 chem list as you can get.

Try using;  Fusion Clean (Solutions), awesome results, especially when pre-sprayed with M-Power.

If you don't like the Solutions camp, then Craftex Catalyst is pretty good.   

Roto Brite 2 is pretty good but IMO not as effective as Fusion Clean.

Lastly, ACTIVATOR is still a brilliant product but unless your a registered DF operative, you may have trouble getting some.  (although I've heard DF are relaxing their process).

Did you have an appropriate wringer on your bucket?  Very important for rotary cleaning.  (Notice I avoid the term bonnet as it's a stupid name).  The pad must never be dry!!   (Unless youre fixing an overwet carpet situation - that's the only exception).   But just as the pad must never be dry, it must also not be sopping wet, otherwise the point where you place it on the carpet and lower the rotary onto it, WILL get a wick stain.  Hence a good commercial grade wringer is VITAL, forget about trying to wring it out with your hands.

Next - very important; when you first lower the machine onto the pad, immediately spread it across a wide area. Don't work a small area at a time. Spread all of the solution on the wringed pad across 20sq/m.   THEN, return back over the area and evenly clean.

Turn your pad over and continue. It'll help dry the area and help lift the soil.

just some starters because your photo looked like you had made a number of these mistakes.   I could 100% get your 'HWE'results in that pic, from rotary.   With Dry Fusion I could probably get better, with standard rotary and Fusion Clean, I could match it.

Cheers, Deano,

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

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jasonl

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2010, 10:12:10 pm »
Imagine if you have a 25 grand TM on finance ,and you are reading these remarks about the LM results being close to TM result!!!.

I have had the cash  in the bank several times  to buy a TM , for me everything I buy has to give me a good return, I would need to clear 150 k a year to justify 15k on a TM.
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

Dean Wilson

Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2010, 10:20:50 pm »
I've always said it Jason.  That's why LM ops are generally highly unpopular on these forums!  Some of these people that have made their decision to invest ££££ in a sytem that is superfluous to getting excellent results in 90% of cases.... they don't want to hear that a £695 brand new bonnet cleaning package from Restormate could feasibly give then stunning results, with the right chems and practice method.

I've seen more than a couple of good people 'chased' off these forums for challenging the TM fraternity.

Shame. We're all just cleaning carpets.  :)

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2010, 10:26:11 pm »
Dean

Would you be prepared to speak to me privately about this tomorrow ?

07768.648863 anytime after 9am

Dean Wilson

Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2010, 10:29:15 pm »
Steve,

I'm always happy talking to fellow CCs but I can't make any promises for this weekend. I'll try my best but the only thing that may get in the way is some planned beers in York at 3pm; an hour that may become four!

PS.  Clocked your number, in case you want to remove it from the thread now. 

Cheers,

Deano

Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2010, 10:35:31 pm »
Had the same number for 18 years Dean - I don't care who has it.

Anytime you can spare would be much appreciated, whenever.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2010, 12:51:32 am »

I've seen more than a couple of good people 'chased' off these forums for challenging the TM fraternity.


yeah this chap carpetzest.co.uk  went away winging and came back with a new username!  :D

Simon Gerrard

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2010, 06:23:12 am »
David,

Good post. Welcome back ;D

I think both you and Jason need to have had the experience of what a Truck Mount can do. You are after all preaching to us about the virtues of LM cleaning to those of us who have never used it, but equally it is clear that you have no first hand experience of what Truck Mounts can do and that makes your point of view on the subject rather empty if you don't mind me saying so.
Truck Mounts are more expensive than LM set ups, there's no disputing that, but don't you think the guy's that have invested in one have done the maths and can justify the expense by the return on investment, otherwise we are all fools in your eyes. There are lots of TM operators who also offer a LM option, if what you are saying is true and LM is the only viable option, or all you need as a professional carpet cleaner then surely they would have seen the light and got rid of them to concentrate solely on LM?
We may have a lot to learn on the LM front but I think the same is true from your side of the trench.

Simon

jasonl

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Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2010, 07:28:35 am »
Simon , I have seen a TM in action many times, I know what they can do, they work really well, and provide an excellent clean,are excellent for the operator in terms of speed ,image etc, I have seen all the benefits, done the sums, had 2 accountants produce detailed business plans including a TM , my conclusion for ME is that the return on investment does not fit my criteria  when a cost benefit analysis is carried out.

As a BUSINESS decision a TM is not right for me at the moment.

Yes I know I could turnover more ,and get into more work ,   ( lol I am 20 mins from the gates of Southampton cruise terminals!) My profit increase would be minimal though.
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

Dean Wilson

Re: LM Cleaning
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2010, 10:25:15 am »
Steve,

Sorry I misread your post above and thought it said to call after 9pm.  Seen that it says 9am.   I'm heading out now but should have some time around lunchtime.  if I don't catch you today I'll give you a call early next week.

Rgds,
Dean.

Tony - You've lost me.  But then again you usually do to be fair. I can't keep up with your powerhouse of knowledge on everything from CCing to the web. If anyone thinks I am some other user, with a different name, drop me a message and we'll arrange a chat. You can come to my house (Easingwold) and meet the wife. Or you can check the IP address that I'm using against your other so called version of me.   From your posts I've seen Tony you're not the sort of bloke I'd get on with. I seen how you fared on the 'SEO' posts where you were proven to be a total sheister. I've seen others challlenge your BS and you suddenly disappear or become a wallflower on the thread. Let's co-exist on here without bothering eachother further huh?  I'm here to talk carpets and their cleaning. Life's too short. I won't be rising to any more of your 'contriburtion' here. Look what you added to this thread for example? Nothing at all about the subject matter. This place is just an extension of the school playground to you. Have fun.