[Clive McDonald]

I do pretty mutch that suss, but no complaints (apart from it didn't take long)

They complain about others though. My theory is that the cars and barrels guys don't know much about getting the water pure. I don't know if this is true, but it would fit the facts.

[Rob.Hall]

I think there is room for both.

As people say it is an extra tool.

Traded the back of a house yesterday and thought how quick it was against wfp.

However, traded,( under request), a house a week before with small pains and it took 1/4 more time.

(I do a house oposite with wfp exactly the same size. Far quicker).

Big windows and small pains the wfp comes into its own.

No doubt others will think diferent.

[L.J.Thorpe]

I do pretty mutch that suss, but no complaints (apart from it didn't take long)

They complain about others though. My theory is that the cars and barrels guys don't know much about getting the water pure. I don't know if this is true, but it would fit the facts.

god almighty you really are a conceited ass :
what facts

[L.J.Thorpe]

read the who works out of cars thread sol
what has vehicle or system got to do with being able to make pure water
sometimes i feel like giving you the benefit of the doubt
then you come out with patronising and insulting crap like that :

[xxmattyxx]

I do pretty mutch that suss, but no complaints (apart from it didn't take long)

They complain about others though. My theory is that the cars and barrels guys don't know much about getting the water pure. I don't know if this is true, but it would fit the facts.

god almighty you really are a conceited ass :
what facts

Im glad you said it bud, cos it saved me doing it.

[jonah]

Matt could i ask how things are going now you changed over to wfp ?   How long have you been doing it now ? 

[xxmattyxx]

You asked me that about a month ago, anyway, here we go again 

I have never looked back, I love it. I believe in the tools, I have more energy at the end of the day, I enthuse about work now, I NEED more work because I get through it so much quicker, and the money, is well......(does Alistair Darling read this site?) better!!!

I really really wish Id done it years ago, but oh how I scoffed before. I got a Freedom Trolley 3 months ago, but am going van mount already.

[jonah]

sorry mate i just need to hear it a few more times lol . The lad who I saw using wfp took the time to explain his system to me and said he felt the same as me regarding changing over .  He said It might take a few cleans to get it spot on ( cos of using fairy ) 

[xxmattyxx]

I used GG4 for about a year or so prior to changing over, not becasue I was changing but thats what I used; but the last trad clean prior to going over I made sure all the frames especially the top horizontal got wiped off good and proper. I had one complaint after completing the round once WFP; and this was because the frames always had been minging; I wasnt going to clean them up before because they were so bad and the custy didnt want to pay.

However after the second clean the guy came out and shook my hand and was pleased as punch with the job.

[macmac]

It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.

I.E.

tennet charges 40 per hour wfp

Trad guy charges 50 per hour

Who's the numpty now? :

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.

Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking.

Now, anyone else?

Tony

Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.

Do your hours have more than 60 minutes in them then? from what you say here you would do double the work for 20 quid less than him

 

Tony

[mark dew]

when i was going round trad there were a couple of windows on most houses that i couldn't get to cos of the conservatory.
I used to walk away with my £8 thinking it would be a tenner if i had wfp (or could use a trad pole properly).
Now i walk away with that tenner, and once or twice a year much more than that because i can clean fascias and underside of gutters.
The kid in me loved being up ladders looking over fields and countryside. But the reason, 'why not trad' was cos i can maximise my earning potential per job by reaching everything. And doing it much quicker and more profitably than i could traditionally.

[NWH]

It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.

I.E.

tennet charges 40 per hour wfp

Trad guy charges 50 per hour

Who's the numpty now? :

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.

Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking.

Now, anyone else?

Tony

Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.

Do your hours have more than 60 minutes in them then? from what you say here you would do double the work for 20 quid less than him

 

Tony

No he`ll have had enough at a certain point in the day where`s i`ll keep on going strong,i`ll have an early finnish because i`ve earnt enough and he`ll have an early day because he`s knackered.

[windowwashers]

It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.

I.E.

tennet charges 40 per hour wfp

Trad guy charges 50 per hour

Who's the numpty now? :

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.

Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking.

Now, anyone else?

Tony

Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.

Do your hours have more than 60 minutes in them then? from what you say here you would do double the work for 20 quid less than him

 

Tony

No he`ll have had enough at a certain point in the day where`s i`ll keep on going strong,i`ll have an early finnish because i`ve earnt enough and he`ll have an early day because he`s knackered.

after a 7/.8 hour trad trad going like the clappers I found it hard to sit down when driving home, thats not good for anyone, wfp takes less toll on your body, so thats another plus point to it

[Wayne Thomas]

Trad is best on quality but its slower and harder work. WFP is quicker and less work so its more profitable per hour and you can work longer.

That in two sentances sums up the whole trad v WFP issue.

As long as the customer pays you at the end of the job who cares?

I don't.

Have to agree with Vince,

however,

you're just forgetting one small little thing,

SAFETY,

safety is paramount in my vocabulary.

[groundhog]

Trad is best on quality but its slower and harder work. WFP is quicker and less work so its more profitable per hour and you can work longer.

I have to disagree with your first point here, wfp used correctly will result in a far superior quality finish compared to trad as the window and frame will be perfectly clean, and leave no residue what so ever!!