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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ftp on July 29, 2008, 07:22:55 pm
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Are on their website now - look rather good too.
So Alex, what's the difference in performance - when is it best to use the dual trim and when to use the single trim? Are the bristles the same stiffness etc?
www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brushes.html
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Difference in performance:
The new single trim version is actually about 10g lighter so always a bonus. Having used both of them now, whilst they are very similar in actual cleaning ability, they do perform quite differently on the end of the pole. The dual trim does seem to splay slightly more easily and hence is better suited for high level work. I was using it at 40-50ft yesterday on an initial plate glass clean and found that it scrubbed very well with very little effort on the pole.
The single trim version, in my initial impression, seems to be better suited for lower level work as it takes slightly more pressure for it to splay out. The actual bristles are identical on both brushes, where the difference comes in is having the inner layer either shorter or the same length.
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Alex is that you, yourself, demonstrating your products on you tube
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Alex is that you, yourself, demonstrating your products on you tube
No, I hired an international model at an extortionate hourly rate - well worth it though.
Actually yes it is me, all the international models were unavailable so I had to do.
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Alex is that you, yourself, demonstrating your products on you tube
No, I hired an international model at an extortionate hourly rate - well worth it though.
Actually yes it is me, all the international models were unavailable so I had to do.
lol
My sis-inlaw is a model I have been trying for years to get her to do a shoot for window washers but she laughs and her managment company said it would not suit her portfolio, I was thinking well vouge and the likes must have a window cleaner still not for having it though ::) I will keep on trying
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People never ever look like you imagine them to be!
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People never ever look like you imagine them to be!
ime a moooodelll ;D not
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Same price as a dual trim brush :o
You're only getting single trim as opposed to a dual trim so surely it should be cheaper :P
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Same price as a dual trim brush :o
You're only getting single trim as opposed to a dual trim so surely it should be cheaper :P
You're actually getting more bristles, so it should be more expensive!
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I hope there good Alex I just ordered one out of curiosity
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would these fit on the x tell hybirds
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would these fit on the x tell hybirds
I hope so
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me too.
I got the unger brush and just seems really hard to get it to splay unlless you walk right back from the window for miles.
so might give it ago.
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would these fit on the x tell hybirds
Yes, these fit straight onto the plastic angle adapter on the end of your X-Tel Hybrid. They also fit our aluminium G-Fit gooseneck range.
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Will they be instock all the time!
Andy
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I've never seen the point of a dual trim brush, can't see any benefit only hinderence. That said i aint used one either :-\
Tony
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Hi Alex
I used your new brush for most of the day and it’s a great brush to work with, but as we have a hot water system, the clear pipe that you have supplied with it which connect to the brush is not a ideal pipe for hot water system, and kept popping out of the nosel, therefore I would suggest to use a more stronger pipe like the black ones which ionic use them for their poles.
Best regards
Bosh
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Hi Alex
I used your new brush for most of the day and it’s a great brush to work with, but as we have a hot water system, the clear pipe that you have supplied with it which connect to the brush is not a ideal pipe for hot water system, and kept popping out of the nosel, therefore I would suggest to use a more stronger pipe like the black ones which ionic use them for their poles.
Best regards
Bosh
Try a speedfit "T" insted of the barbed "Y"
Tony
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Will they be instock all the time!
Andy
We plan on having these as a standard stock item in plentiful supply. Having said that, we have already sold out of the dual trim version. We did only have 100 made as a trial run but we did expect the stock of the dual trim brushes to last longer than a week! We do have a good amount of the single trim brushes in stock and the dual trims will be back in stock (much larger production run this time) in about 3-4 weeks.
With a new product it is quite difficult to judge exactly how much demand there will be and when to schedule the next production run, etc, but our aim is to have a large stock of both brushes all the time.
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Alex you have mail.
Chris
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Alex you have mail.
Chris
Hi Chris
I've forwarded your message to Alex.
Mrs A
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These new super-duper lightweight brushes, how easily do they splay in comparison to a Salmon brush.
My introduction to wfp was with a vikan, which is quite stiff IMO, particularly compared to a Salmon, but how do these new brushes from Alex compare?
Im wondering if a Salmon splays too much, perhaps its the hot weather, but a vikan is too stiff.
Matt
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These new super-duper lightweight brushes, how easily do they splay in comparison to a Salmon brush.
My introduction to wfp was with a vikan, which is quite stiff IMO, particularly compared to a Salmon, but how do these new brushes from Alex compare?
Im wondering if a Salmon splays too much, perhaps its the hot weather, but a vikan is too stiff.
Matt
The new brushes do splay very well, the dual trim particularly well at extreme heights. How they compare to a Salmon? I really cannot answer this as there are several Salmons on the market. The ones I have tried seem to splay all over the place and were hard to use.
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These new super-duper lightweight brushes, how easily do they splay in comparison to a Salmon brush.
My introduction to wfp was with a vikan, which is quite stiff IMO, particularly compared to a Salmon, but how do these new brushes from Alex compare?
Im wondering if a Salmon splays too much, perhaps its the hot weather, but a vikan is too stiff.
Matt
I've used the dual trim, it splays a little better than the salmon, but it scrubs much much better and rinses on fantastic. I'm really impressed with it. I've got it on the slx with a swivel, a great combination.
Simon.
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Im tempted to try one, probably go for the dual trim.
Okay, lets put it another way, how do they compare to a vikan for stiffness?
Also, Alex, can you fit a set of fans in there instead of pencils please?
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Oh boolocks, Ill call the office tomorrow. Lot easier ;D
Plenty of time, having 2 wisdom teeth out tomorrow :-X :-X
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Oh boolocks, Ill call the office tomorrow. Lot easier ;D
Plenty of time, having 2 wisdom teeth out tomorrow :-X :-X
Don`t ring up after you`ve had them teeth out you`ll sound like a right nutter lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D
Wont be far from the truth then.
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Im tempted to try one, probably go for the dual trim.
Okay, lets put it another way, how do they compare to a vikan for stiffness?
Also, Alex, can you fit a set of fans in there instead of pencils please?
You have mail. Hope it goes well at the dentist tomorrow.
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Im tempted to try one, probably go for the dual trim.
Okay, lets put it another way, how do they compare to a vikan for stiffness?
Also, Alex, can you fit a set of fans in there instead of pencils please?
You have mail. Hope it goes well at the dentist tomorrow.
Not yet I havent Alex matt@oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk
its a hospital jobbie by the way :D
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Cheers Alex
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Hi Alex
I used your new brush for most of the day and it’s a great brush to work with, but as we have a hot water system, the clear pipe that you have supplied with it which connect to the brush is not a ideal pipe for hot water system, and kept popping out of the nosel, therefore I would suggest to use a more stronger pipe like the black ones which ionic use them for their poles.
Best regards
Bosh
I found that using Ionics 4mm pole hose was really slow getting a decent flow of water up the poles. I discarded the stuff and switched to high visibility 5mm streamline lite hose instead. Much better flow of water thus reducing time required cleaning.
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Im tempted to try one, probably go for the dual trim.
Okay, lets put it another way, how do they compare to a vikan for stiffness?
Also, Alex, can you fit a set of fans in there instead of pencils please?
You have mail. Hope it goes well at the dentist tomorrow.
You have mail too ;o)
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Little tip if you don't like dual trim mono filament brushes because they splay too much for personal liking.....cut the longer, outer trim bristles to the same lenght as the inner bristles and you then have a single trim mono brush which just sits against the glass, instead of splaying. The shorter the bristles, the harder it becomes and the better it scrubs, but the more it bounces across partitioned glass ;)
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Little tip if you don't like dual trim mono filament brushes because they splay too much for personal liking.....cut the longer, outer trim bristles to the same lenght as the inner bristles and you then have a single trim mono brush which just sits against the glass, instead of splaying. The shorter the bristles, the harder it becomes and the better it scrubs, but the more it bounces across partitioned glass ;)
Thinking of doing that with my Salmon.
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I hope you got them holes parallel Alex?
Kirsty was very nice to talk to today, very sympathetic re: hospital, can you tell her thankyou, I tried but I was getting concerned she was mis-interpreting my grunts and dribbling down the phone (anasthetic has that effect you know) as something else apart from someone in surgical pain ;)
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Well, i now have a single trim and a dual trim. The single holds far more dirt than the dual which is only to be expected but works fine. You can hear the bristles zinging along the frames. I haven't managed to lose any bristles yet like you do with a Bentley or an Addis so hopefully it will turn out to be a very hard wearing brush. (they better be 'cos i'm not shelling out £80 for a pair in a hurry again). The best thing of course is the lack of weight, they really give your wrists a rest and with an SLX make everything very comfortable and precise.
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Well, this brush that I ordered arrived today, forcing me therefore to work this afternoon ;D
Pleasantly pleased with it. Wonderfully light, barely know its up there, although I usually use a Salmon which I believe are quite heavy as brushes go (?). The bristles splayed nicely, seeming to reach into all the corners and crevices, but I was most impressed with the fact that the bristles retain their shape so well.
Nice brush.
Now I have a predicament. I love my Salmon, mostly as the auto-brush from Mr Fogwill fits into my work ethos just great. But, I used this new Gardiner brush on a pole with a flow-valve located at the base of the pole, problems problems..... ;D
btw Alex, those nozzles were perfect. Loved them, well and truly lined up too.
Can you tell me Alex, what nozzles they are and do you stock them as spares?
Matt
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Well, this brush that I ordered arrived today, forcing me therefore to work this afternoon ;D
Pleasantly pleased with it. Wonderfully light, barely know its up there, although I usually use a Salmon which I believe are quite heavy as brushes go (?). The bristles splayed nicely, seeming to reach into all the corners and crevices, but I was most impressed with the fact that the bristles retain their shape so well.
Nice brush.
Now I have a predicament. I love my Salmon, mostly as the auto-brush from Mr Fogwill fits into my work ethos just great. But, I used this new Gardiner brush on a pole with a flow-valve located at the base of the pole, problems problems..... ;D
btw Alex, those nozzles were perfect. Loved them, well and truly lined up too.
Can you tell me Alex, what nozzles they are and do you stock them as spares?
Matt
That was a fluke then.
We do stock the nozzles as spares but only for special clients. You can ring the Office when you want them.
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Is that fluke re: perfect nozzles or fluke re: special client?
;D
I'll order some whatever, thanks bud.
Matt
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Just a quick update on the single trim brush : I've been using it for a week now and i've come to the conclusion that it must be good because i've forgotten all about it! I just clean all day and come home. Haven't lost a bristle. Haven't had any problems- just a quality tool that i forgot i had!
I have a filthy commercial job tomorrow so i'll try to concentrate a bit more.
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Just a quick update on the single trim brush : I've been using it for a week now and i've come to the conclusion that it must be good because i've forgotten all about it! I just clean all day and come home. Haven't lost a bristle. Haven't had any problems- just a quality tool that i forgot i had!
I have a filthy commercial job tomorrow so i'll try to concentrate a bit more.
Same here I have had mine for a week or so and I think its a very good brush, I would like it a bit cheaper but then wouldnt we all
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I've had mine less than a week. I also have the dual trim version. I have been using them both with hot wfp. The dual trim brush is excellent but the single trim versions bristles are all starting to lean over and they are interfering with the jets :(
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I've had mine less than a week. I also have the dual trim version. I have been using them both with hot wfp. The dual trim brush is excellent but the single trim versions bristles are all starting to lean over and they are interfering with the jets :(
The bristles are much tighter around the jet hole on the single trim version, it may benefit to trim them a little around the jet hole as you are using hot water. Out of interest how are you finding them with hot water? What is the water temperature at the brush? apart from the bristle getting in the way of the jets on the single trim how are they standing up to it?
We did not specifically develop the brushes for hot water applications, but it is interesting to see how they will last. I did test the bristles in 100 degrees water and they did deform slightly, but generally hot water systems do not run at this sort of temperature!
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Any luck regarding those jets Alex?
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Any luck regarding those jets Alex?
Hi Matt
I've spoken to the supplier and they are looking into whether they can get a small amount of the different nozzles from the manufacturer. They should be getting back to me on Monday.
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Cheers buddy. Appreciated.
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I've had mine less than a week. I also have the dual trim version. I have been using them both with hot wfp. The dual trim brush is excellent but the single trim versions bristles are all starting to lean over and they are interfering with the jets :(
The bristles are much tighter around the jet hole on the single trim version, it may benefit to trim them a little around the jet hole as you are using hot water. Out of interest how are you finding them with hot water? What is the water temperature at the brush? apart from the bristle getting in the way of the jets on the single trim how are they standing up to it?
We did not specifically develop the brushes for hot water applications, but it is interesting to see how they will last. I did test the bristles in 100 degrees water and they did deform slightly, but generally hot water systems do not run at this sort of temperature!
Hi Alex,
I am running at 52 degrees C at the brush head. The bristles dont seem any different when using hot or cold. The bristles (after a few days) are all leaning towards each end of the brush, and the very tips are in the stream. As you said the extra space around the jets and the shorter bristles on the dual trim stop this so for me I prefer the dual trim.
I am also concerned about longevity of this brush as it looks hammered and I have only used it for a few days. I feel that this brush is expensive for what it is considering I dont think its going to last very long, I have Vikans that are over a year old and still going strong, however the bristles on a vikan are too hard IMO.
The dual trim I have used everyday for a week longer and its fine! I know they are the same bristles but maybe the shorter length of the inside bristles makes it stronger. I wold like to see a few more inside bristles for added scrubbing power and also to give the outer bristles some support. The dual trim is my favorite brush but the single trim isn't in the same league IMO.
Having said all that well done for producing a good and light brush. I think it is ideally suited to the SL2. The dual trim could be used everyday, But the single trim is not up to everyday work IMO.
I hope that helps Alex?
Kev ;)
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Thanks for that Kev. I was interested in how they would stand up to hot water use. Could you keep me updated on your progress with them.
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Thanks for that Kev. I was interested in how they would stand up to hot water use. Could you keep me updated on your progress with them.
I would be happy to Alex ;)
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The single trim brush wins against the dual hands down,no comparison.
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Interesting to see other peoples opinion, at the moment mine is that the single trim is better as an every day brush.
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The single trim brush wins against the dual hands down,no comparison.
Have you ever liked a dual trim brush including Gardiners brush or do you just prefer single trim brushes generally?
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Anyone got any updates on their brushes and usage?
Cheers
Dave.
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Anyone got any updates on their brushes and usage?
Cheers
Dave.
My single trim brush is not at all well. The bristles are in a permanently splayed position and I have had to remove some bristles to allow the jets to work. My double trim brush is fine, been used on the Sl2 with hot water the same as the single trim. The single is being used on the ground floor only ant the double trim everything above. Obviously the single trim is subject to a bit more pressure being applied but I will be surprised if it makes it past the end of the week. I have five large schools on this week so this really is a hard test for the brushes. Its destined for the bin by the looks of it! :(
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Anyone got any updates on their brushes and usage?
Cheers
Dave.
My single trim brush is not at all well. The bristles are in a permanently splayed position and I have had to remove some bristles to allow the jets to work. My double trim brush is fine, been used on the Sl2 with hot water the same as the single trim. The single is being used on the ground floor only ant the double trim everything above. Obviously the single trim is subject to a bit more pressure being applied but I will be surprised if it makes it past the end of the week. I have five large schools on this week so this really is a hard test for the brushes. Its destined for the bin by the looks of it! :(
Sounds pretty dire! Has anyone else been using the single trim with hot water? I would be interested in whether this is a one off or if indeed it cannot cope with hot water use. Keep me updated Kevin as to it's future progress.
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Anyone got any updates on their brushes and usage?
Cheers
Dave.
My single trim brush is not at all well. The bristles are in a permanently splayed position and I have had to remove some bristles to allow the jets to work. My double trim brush is fine, been used on the Sl2 with hot water the same as the single trim. The single is being used on the ground floor only ant the double trim everything above. Obviously the single trim is subject to a bit more pressure being applied but I will be surprised if it makes it past the end of the week. I have five large schools on this week so this really is a hard test for the brushes. Its destined for the bin by the looks of it! :(
Sounds pretty dire! Has anyone else been using the single trim with hot water? I would be interested in whether this is a one off or if indeed it cannot cope with hot water use. Keep me updated Kevin as to it future progress.
I will ;)
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i have been using mine on really dirty commercial work with cold water and the bristles are all splayed constantly , i have been applying a lot of pressure on brush to move the dirt but i dont think it is up to this kind of work but probably good enough for maintenance cleans.
i think it needs a lot more bristles and they need to be flocked.
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I have to say i used 1 today and have my first complaint ever using the pole,they just don`t clean well enough in my opinion.I don`t think there`s anywhere near enough bristles and there not stiff enough,normally these windows come up spotless but there were brush lines everywhere,they perform exactly the same as the bentley brush.
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I find them very very good to throw around the window, due to their lightness.
However, Im beginning to feel inclined that maybe they dont have enough bristles (if there were more bristles there would be more stiffness I'd imagine with the same length of bristle).
Slightly concerned after using it for some time also that maybe on occassions they do leave brush lines. I certainly wouldnt use it on a first clean.
Matt
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I used it today on a regular clean and it still left brush lines behind,i`ve used other brushes before and have never had this problem before.It`s down to the amount of bristles in the brush and with them being so soft the brush almost pushes flat on the glass,i used to have the same problems with the bentley brush time and time again.
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How is the dual trim by comparison?
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Do you mean lines of or in dirt, or lines of water, sort of greasy lines?
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Unremoved dirt lines (between bristles on the glass)
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Unremoved dirt lines (between bristles on the glass)
I have never seen that ever, what sort of flow are you using?
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How is the dual trim by comparison?
The dual trim is much better, the shorter bristles in the middle give the brush support. I have found its a good brush for rinsing on :)
The single one has all but had it :(
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Unremoved dirt lines (between bristles on the glass)
I have never seen that ever, what sort of flow are you using?
Quite high, approaching 2 litres a minute.
I wouldnt say thats the case on all windows by any means. I noticed it at home here where the cat paws the glass to get in on the window over a flat roof. I did the window last week and noticed aftewards it hadnt come up well, so made a mental note about it. It might just be because its my place and I just flashed the brush at the glass.
I said it as NWH mentioned it too. Ill get a dual trim I think to have a lookie at that.
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NWH, so what your saying is you can't do a maintenance clean with it?
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After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.
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After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.
I have been doing schools this week so lots of chance to check back over work. The windows haven't been cleaned on the schools for 4 months. The results have been excellent.
The quality is no different than when using my Vikan but rinsing on is better on the dual trim. However I have been using hot wfp so maybe that is the difference between the brushes and the scrubbing power etc?
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After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.
I have been doing schools this week so lots of chance to check back over work. The windows haven't been cleaned on the schools for 4 months. The results have been excellent.
The quality is no different than when using my Vikan but rinsing on is better on the dual trim. However I have been using hot wfp so maybe that is the difference between the brushes and the scrubbing power etc?
Like you say you`ve been using hot water and that has been the difference in your case,you can`t compare hot and cold on first cleans,also if your aware there might be a problem with the brush you tend to try that little bit harder to make sure your doing a good job.When i`m confident with the brush i can get on and work much quicker knowing it`s doing the job,that`s the thing with the bentley i had 0 confidence in it at any height.
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The dual trim keeps it's shape used as a hot brush.
Splays just right and is noticeably lighter than a Tucker.
Scrubs about 80% as efficient as a Tucker brush.
I'll use it on my SL2 because of the weight being lighter than a Tucker.
However, it's better on sash windows for reaching in between the runners on first cleans.
It's better than Tucker on dreaded leaded's for maintenance cleans because it splays better so bounces less against the lead strips.
For heavily soiled windows I still prefer a Tucker brush because it still removes bird pooh easier with less effort than the new gardiner dual trim brush for definite 100%, no comparison.
Haven't tried the single trim version yet.
Not a bad mono filament brush for the money though.
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The dual trim keeps it's shape used as a hot brush.
Splays just right and is noticeably lighter than a Tucker.
Scrubs about 80% as efficient as a Tucker brush.
I'll use it on my SL2 because of the weight being lighter than a Tucker.
However, it's better on sash windows for reaching in between the runners on first cleans.
It's better than Tucker on dreaded leaded's for maintenance cleans because it splays better so bounces less against the lead strips.
For heavily soiled windows I still prefer a Tucker brush because it still removes bird pooh easier with less effort than the new gardiner dual trim brush for definite 100%, no comparison.
Haven't tried the single trim version yet.
Not a bad mono filament brush for the money though.
I have almost destroyed the single trim with hot Wayne, yet the dual trim is in great shape. I do agree the dual trim is a good brush for the money and defo agree with the bit about sash and leads.
I still haven' t tried a tucker. Don't you need to do some conversion work?
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After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.
I have been doing schools this week so lots of chance to check back over work. The windows haven't been cleaned on the schools for 4 months. The results have been excellent.
The quality is no different than when using my Vikan but rinsing on is better on the dual trim. However I have been using hot wfp so maybe that is the difference between the brushes and the scrubbing power etc?
Like you say you`ve been using hot water and that has been the difference in your case,you can`t compare hot and cold on first cleans,also if your aware there might be a problem with the brush you tend to try that little bit harder to make sure your doing a good job.When i`m confident with the brush i can get on and work much quicker knowing it`s doing the job,that`s the thing with the bentley i had 0 confidence in it at any height.
NWH, why not try the dual trim, it feels like a completely different brush?
Lets face it the bently is Sh.... ;)
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If the single trim loses its shape too easily with hot water, cut the inner bristles down similar to a dual trim. The brush bristles will be even shorter than they are now which will make them stiffer but the brush will still keeps it's properties similar to a normal dual trim because the inner bristles aren't constantly in contact with the glass. The brush will also scrub better in theory having shorter bristles than originally supplied.
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Wayne, I mean on the Tucker, don't you have to convert it to get it to fit a standard wfp pole?
I have a spare single trim that I am going to make into a dual trim for the very reasons you stated in you last post ;)
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Kev R,
Yes you do need to convert the Tucker brushes but it's easy enough. I'll show you how I do mine if you fancy. As you're addicted to hot water, I honestly recommend you try a Tucker brush for hot wfp. You'll definitely notice a big difference for heavily soiled windows.
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Kev R,
Yes you do need to convert the Tucker brushes but it's easy enough. I'll show you how I do mine if you fancy. As you're addicted to hot water, I honestly recommend you try a Tucker brush for hot wfp. You'll definitely notice a big difference for heavily soiled windows.
I would like that Wayne. I really want to try a Tucker ;D
Yes I have become addicted to hot - Its all the filthy dirty commercial I have to do on a daily basis. Just makes it so much easier.
You know this week I have been using the SL2 and the new brush with hot and it has made this job so much easier than the last time I did it. Usually I get pretty hot and tired using the 60ft and 40 ft telescopic poles but with the SL2 I got cold today LOL
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I am still really pleased with the dual trim brush from Gardiners but the single trim one is a completely different story.
I have been using it for 4 days and it went in the bin this afternoon. I absolutely destroyed it. Not enough scrubbing power so you end up pushing really hard and it destroys the brush. Ok I have been using it with hot wfp but thats true of the dual trim too and thats ok. I just think the bristles are too long and splay too easily where as the short middle bristles on the dual trim dont deform so protect the outer longer bristles. 4 days thats the shortest time I have ever owned a brush - that will take some beating :(
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Shame :(
We have a slightly different single trim coming out next month - we'll send one up to you for hot water trialling.
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Iv`e been using both brushes this week and i also prefer the dual trim (but not entirely satisfied),i just can`t get on with the single trim the bristles are far too long and they give a "mopping" type effect and not enough scrubbing power,Alex i hope you are taking note of all these comments as there seem to be quite a few that have bought these brushes and are saying the same things,main thing is "bristles far too long" ;)
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:)
It's a difficult one as there has been a lot of positive feedback on the single trim as well! I am taking note though of all feedback and the next batch will be slightly different (hopefully keeping clients who really like it happy as well).
The splay on the single trim is ideal for getting into corners, etc but might not have enough scrubbing power for some users...........
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Shame :(
We have a slightly different single trim coming out next month - we'll send one up to you for hot water trialling.
Thanks Alex,
I look forward to it.
I have to say I am still very impressed with the dual trim, it seems a completely different brush. This really must be about bristle length? what do you think?
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It's a difficult one as there has been a lot of positive feedback on the single trim as well! I am taking note though of all feedback and the next batch will be slightly different (hopefully keeping clients who really like it happy as well).
The splay on the single trim is ideal for getting into corners, etc but might not have enough scrubbing power for some users...........
Thanks Alex,it would be good to have a choice of bristle lengths a brush with short bristles for good scrubbing power and a brush with longer bristles for the "moppers" ;D
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I think it's very difficult to produce a brush that works at 50' and at 15'. The highest one will be relying on the pressure of the pole to splay it and will be set at pretty much one angle only. The residential brush will have more direct pressure on it from very low angles and will often be flipped to the side and upside down so needs to be stiffer and a little more robust in my opinon. It's impossible to keep every one happy so maybe a small range of different stiffness need to be produced.
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hi alex dont take this the wrong way but i feel that any brushes you release in future should be tried out a bit more before selling them for £30 a shot i feel your other equipment poles etc seem to have had testing before release and therefore we get what we expect but the single trim brush i bought is totally done in after a couple of weeks and the dual trim is next to useless i have found the service and goods you have provided in past has been excellent dont ruin this reputation with these brushes.
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IMO a perfect brush would be as light as the above brush but with flocked bristles almost identical to a flocked vikan,the tension on the glass from bristle to stock is perfect on this brush but as we know it`s far to heavy to use allday.I`m talking about the bristles from a retangular by the way,you only have to look at 1 stork of bristles from this brush,there are loads and loads of tiny bristles in each stork.If you pinch the vikan retangular from front to back between your thumb and first finger and compare it to the above brush you can see the difference in the amount of bristle,the only reason for brush lines being left behind on the glass is down to the lack of bristles and the thickness of them.Some of the bristles have been chopped therefore allowing it to splay better the only trouble is it splays so much not all the bristles stay in proper contact with the glass.I`m as fussy as you Alex,you should let me road test them for you lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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IMO a perfect brush would be as light as the above brush but with flocked bristles almost identical to a flocked vikan,the tension on the glass from bristle to stock is perfect on this brush but as we know it`s far to heavy to use allday.I`m talking about the bristles from a retangular by the way,you only have to look at 1 stork of bristles from this brush,there are loads and loads of tiny bristles in each stork.If you pinch the vikan retangular from front to back between your thumb and first finger and compare it to the above brush you can see the difference in the amount of bristle,the only reason for brush lines being left behind on the glass is down to the lack of bristles and the thickness of them.Some of the bristles have been chopped therefore allowing it to splay better the only trouble is it splays so much not all the bristles stay in proper contact with the glass.I`m as fussy as you Alex,you should let me road test them for you lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Flocked Bristles ? are you insane Nigel :o ;D ;D ;)
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hi alex dont take this the wrong way but i feel that any brushes you release in future should be tried out a bit more before selling them for £30 a shot i feel your other equipment poles etc seem to have had testing before release and therefore we get what we expect but the single trim brush i bought is totally done in after a couple of weeks and the dual trim is next to useless i have found the service and goods you have provided in past has been excellent dont ruin this reputation with these brushes.
I personally feel that is a little harsh. I feel that Alex has designed a brush that complements his Superlite poles particularly the SL2. Most of the brushes on the market are too heavy for the SL2 and the dual trim it is a vast improvement on the Bently. Lets face it he is the only person to invent a new brush specifically for wfp in an age. Most brushes we use have been adapted from another purpose. I dont think these brushes in their current form are "tough enough" for everyday use on all poles but on the SL2 it works well.
So give credit were its due - its a Superlite brush for a Superlite pole - its designed for purpose and it works. It could be improved a little but give the man a chance!!!! ;)
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One thing i have noticed is that the dual trim brush has all the bristles almost the same length probably only a millimetre difference at the most between the shortest and the longest in each trim size. The single trim brush seems to have a much larger difference between short and long and is also splayed more straight out of the box. Maybe this is deliberate or just a manufacturing discrepancy.
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hi alex dont take this the wrong way but i feel that any brushes you release in future should be tried out a bit more before selling them for £30 a shot i feel your other equipment poles etc seem to have had testing before release and therefore we get what we expect but the single trim brush i bought is totally done in after a couple of weeks and the dual trim is next to useless i have found the service and goods you have provided in past has been excellent dont ruin this reputation with these brushes.
I personally fell that is a little harsh. I feel that Alex has designed a brush that complements his Superlite poles particularly the SL2. Most of the brushes on the market are too heavy for the SL2 and the dual trim it is a vast improvement on the Bently. Lets face it he is the only person to invent a new brush specifically for wfp in an age. Most brushes we use have been adapted from another purpose. I dont think these brushes in their current form are "tough enough" for everyday use on all poles but on the SL2 it works well.
So give credit were its due - its a Superlite brush for a Superlite pole - its designed for purpose and it works. It could be improved a little but give the man a chance!!!! ;)
Kevin the problem isn`t the weight at all the brushes are spot on as far as build quality it`s just the fact that bristle length is a major factor,
i agree that Alex is doing alot to the wfp industry (hats off to the man and awell deserved pat on the back) but with anything in life it has to have it`s good and bad points so things can be improved for perfection ;)
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IMO a perfect brush would be as light as the above brush but with flocked bristles almost identical to a flocked vikan,the tension on the glass from bristle to stock is perfect on this brush but as we know it`s far to heavy to use allday.I`m talking about the bristles from a retangular by the way,you only have to look at 1 stork of bristles from this brush,there are loads and loads of tiny bristles in each stork.If you pinch the vikan retangular from front to back between your thumb and first finger and compare it to the above brush you can see the difference in the amount of bristle,the only reason for brush lines being left behind on the glass is down to the lack of bristles and the thickness of them.Some of the bristles have been chopped therefore allowing it to splay better the only trouble is it splays so much not all the bristles stay in proper contact with the glass.I`m as fussy as you Alex,you should let me road test them for you lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Unless you fill it full of Tucker bristles which are by far far the best bristle for WC there is flocked is the second best option,if you fill it full of vikan mono type bristles you`ll still have the same problem.
Flocked Bristles ? are you insane Nigel :o ;D ;D ;)
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Same for me unfortunately, only been using the single trim this week and I'd be surprised if it will see the month out. Bristles on both ends of brush are already splaying out :(
Can't fault the weight as it's ideal, but if it don't last the month out and cost £38 :o
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hi alex dont take this the wrong way but i feel that any brushes you release in future should be tried out a bit more before selling them for £30 a shot i feel your other equipment poles etc seem to have had testing before release and therefore we get what we expect but the single trim brush i bought is totally done in after a couple of weeks and the dual trim is next to useless i have found the service and goods you have provided in past has been excellent dont ruin this reputation with these brushes.
I personally feel that is a little harsh. I feel that Alex has designed a brush that complements his Superlite poles particularly the SL2. Most of the brushes on the market are too heavy for the SL2 and the dual trim it is a vast improvement on the Bently. Lets face it he is the only person to invent a new brush specifically for wfp in an age. Most brushes we use have been adapted from another purpose. I dont think these brushes in their current form are "tough enough" for everyday use on all poles but on the SL2 it works well.
So give credit were its due - its a Superlite brush for a Superlite pole - its designed for purpose and it works. It could be improved a little but give the man a chance!!!! ;)
Have to agree with Kev on that post, Alex is trying to help others, yes he will make money from it in the long run, I for one will keep trying these products and any others products till I find the ones that suit the way we clean. There is massive scope and Alex knows this, I agree a pat on the back is well in order.
I will be using the super lite single trim on my house when the windows get dirtier, if they clean it then good I will post results good or bad once done maybe a few before during and after shots. I will judge this brush myself because something not suited to some could be suited to what I need, trying does not hurt and at less than £20 it is worth trying in my book.
Ian
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I would forget about trying to do a brush that is ideal for rinsing on with,a light brush that cleans well is far more important.I have other ways i can use to rinse on ie more water tilting etc,a light good cleaning brush will save your body more,i found it harder on you in some ways because you need to keep scrubbing with it.
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Less than £20 ???
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Less than £20 ???
before vat postage ect ;D
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Less than £20 ???
before vat postage ect ;D
Ian i think you need to check Gardiner`s website on that one ;)
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hi alex dont take this the wrong way but i feel that any brushes you release in future should be tried out a bit more before selling them for £30 a shot i feel your other equipment poles etc seem to have had testing before release and therefore we get what we expect but the single trim brush i bought is totally done in after a couple of weeks and the dual trim is next to useless i have found the service and goods you have provided in past has been excellent dont ruin this reputation with these brushes.
I personally feel that is a little harsh. I feel that Alex has designed a brush that complements his Superlite poles particularly the SL2. Most of the brushes on the market are too heavy for the SL2 and the dual trim it is a vast improvement on the Bently. Lets face it he is the only person to invent a new brush specifically for wfp in an age. Most brushes we use have been adapted from another purpose. I dont think these brushes in their current form are "tough enough" for everyday use on all poles but on the SL2 it works well.
So give credit were its due - its a Superlite brush for a Superlite pole - its designed for purpose and it works. It could be improved a little but give the man a chance!!!! ;)
Have to agree with Kev on that post, Alex is trying to help others, yes he will make money from it in the long run, I for one will keep trying these products and any others products till I find the ones that suit the way we clean. There is massive scope and Alex knows this, I agree a pat on the back is well in order.
I will be using the super lite single trim on my house when the windows get dirtier, if they clean it then good I will post results good or bad once done maybe a few before during and after shots. I will judge this brush myself because something not suited to some could be suited to what I need, trying does not hurt and at less than £20 it is worth trying in my book.
Ian
You will get true results from a brush when you just clean away as normal without looking to try to hard,if you doubt the brush from the start you`ll end up cleaning them twice without knowing it ie scrub loads,even on dirty windows a few scrubs up and down with the right brush will do the job and you won`t leave brush lines,you might have spots from not using enough water but you won`t get brush lines.
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This week I have been using both the new Gardiners brushes to clean several modern schools. These schools require 3 men outside for the work to be completed in the day (one day per school) . They are big, very dirty and plastered in masses of seagull poo which has been well baked on.
The Dual trim brush in my opinion has been as good as any other brush I have tried for scrubbing power. It is better than any I have tried for rinsing on. I have used many many different brushes from flocked to mono, dual and single trim, heavy and not so heavy on most types of pole.
For the type of work I do the SL2 and the dual trim brush from Gardiners are a fantastic combination for the work from 60ft to 6ft. This work is usually less soiled than lower level work. I prefer using a short pole for lower level work as the glass is very soiled with all manner of substance that the kids have attached. The single trim brush has not coped well with the lower level work. A red rectangular vikan is much more suited to this type of heavy cleaning. I believe that the dual trim would also not cope with this work on the short pole.
I personally find I have several brushes for different jobs as well as several different poles. No brush is suitable for all work and the same is true for poles. If your doing just domestic work, you can get away with one pole and brush combo, but more varied work calls for different tools. I prefer to rise off at lower level but rinse on at higher level to minimize body stress. I like a strong hard bristle brush for first cleans and "dirty" regular work but I prefer a soft dual trim for maintenance cleans and for higher level work. I clean an 11 th centuary property that I would neither use hot water or heavy brush as that may damage the very fragile irreplaceable panes and leads (National Trust). I use a very soft dual trim salmon for this job, which I dont like for much else.
So my point is Alex would have to have 20 different brushes available to please us all - all of the time. The Dual trim in my opinion is a damn good brush and suited to it purpose - fitted to a Superlite pole.
It has been a pleasure using the SL2 and the dual trim brush for me as I suffer from tennis elbow. It is every bit as good as anything else I have used for the work from 6ft to 60 ft - but after four days work, the client is happy with beautifully clean windows, I am happy as my tennis elbow has not flared up as it does most weeks.
I was hoping the single trim or dual trim would be good for the lower level stuff but it just is not. My closing comment is Thank you Mr Alex Gardiner for your SL2 and dual trim brush - It has saved me time and discomfort and is worth every penny. I watch with anticipation as you and you products continue to benefit my chosen industry and more importantly me ;)
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I was hoping the single trim or dual trim would be good for the lower level stuff but it just is not.
Is that because you think its too soft for lower level work, whereas these attributes speak for themselves at height?
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Nobody ever said it was a brush for working at great height only,the only reason it can be used at great height is because of it`s weight not the way it cleans.
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But if its softly bristled it'll make splaying easier at height
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I was hoping the single trim or dual trim would be good for the lower level stuff but it just is not.
Is that because you think its too soft for lower level work, whereas these attributes speak for themselves at height?
I think you apply more pressure to lower level work - especially as its not a simple up and down movement on the end of a long pole. I do believe the brushes are too soft for lower level work.
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I was hoping the single trim or dual trim would be good for the lower level stuff but it just is not.
Is that because you think its too soft for lower level work, whereas these attributes speak for themselves at height?
I think you apply more pressure to lower level work - especially as its not a simple up and down movement on the end of a long pole. I do believe the brushes are too soft for lower level work.
Your right you do but just because you have a soft bristled brush it dosen`t mean it will clean well it just has a better chance,the main problem with this brush is the bristles and lack of them.The more bristles you have the less chance you have in the brush folding flat.
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Nobody ever said it was a brush for working at great height only,the only reason it can be used at great height is because of it`s weight not the way it cleans.
It was designed to complement the Superlite pole. Which is mostly used at height. People buy the Superlite as the dont want a 7.5 kg carbon 60 ft pole as its hard work to use. A vikan it just too heavy for the SL2 the Bently is for sweeping the floor in hairdressers.
It cleans fine on the end of a Superlite in my opinion. If I was using a 60 ft carbon it would be too soft as the weight of the pole pressing against the glass would splay the bristles flat - its horses for courses - its as simple as that ;)
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The dual trim super lite brush is an excellent weight and size. It is best suited to high level work on a SL-2 for maintenance cleans or for cleaning on sash windows with old glass or leaded windows. It could do with more bristles as it requires more scrubbing effort to remove baked on bird pooh than a Tucker brush although it does remove it but with a lot more effort.
I have cut a Tucker brush down to the perimeter of the bristles, then filed the back of the stock right down to the staples retaining the bristles...now it is almost as light as gardiners superlite brush but performs better and still gives me the confidence to clean with minimum effort knowing that I'll remove all baked on bird pooh.
Need to have confidence in a brush simply because I don't want to have to inspect windows after completing a job.
Still haven't got around to testing the single trim version out yet...will do soon but on ground floor windows.
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I was hoping the single trim or dual trim would be good for the lower level stuff but it just is not.
Is that because you think its too soft for lower level work, whereas these attributes speak for themselves at height?
I think you apply more pressure to lower level work - especially as its not a simple up and down movement on the end of a long pole. I do believe the brushes are too soft for lower level work.
Your right you do but just because you have a soft bristled brush it dosen`t mean it will clean well it just has a better chance,the main problem with this brush is the bristles and lack of them.The more bristles you have the less chance you have in the brush folding flat.
I agree with you about the bristles but for rinsing on its better to have less bristles. So therefore its suited to high work where rinsing on is better for you body and safety.
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When it`s really high work customers accept that the windows won`t be spotless.
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I rinse with the brush on and it's more, not less bristles it needs to scrub better. There's plenty of water flow through the bristles in comparison to other brushes. For rinsing on all you want is a mono filament brush so that it doesn't retain the dirt at the end of the bristles unlike a flocked brush that does. For scrubbing performance you need more bristles. The splay on the dual is just a tad soft but pretty good at all heights so not bad overall