Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sir Squeaky on October 12, 2007, 06:18:41 pm
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Hello folks. :)
This is the graphic work done for my van.
At the moment there's not much more than the logo.
Instead of putting a landline number (in case of road rage incidents, female stalkers etc...), I've put my home town on with my mobile.
I thought that would be a bit more reassuring than just a mobile who could be anyone. :-\
I'm going to ask for "Window Cleaning" to be bigger, but what else could I put?
Something about wfp (high reach/ pure water etc...) ?
Fascias, gutters?
What else should I put, and how do I word it? ???
Rog. (excuse the crap photo, I didn't take it!)
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If you are looking to get work from the sign on your van I would put my home number , people seem to phone them before a mobile number
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Is that done or what it will look like?
If it ain't done you need a landline number with a local code.
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agree about the landline number.
But make sure whoever answers it has the necessary way with words.
Love the logo and picture squeaks.
I'd have a section listing the Extra services you can provide though.
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I agree you should but a landlane on and maybe change the front of the numbers to a normal bold font thats really easy to read and for people to take it down when driving or behind u at lights etc.
Dave
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I can understand why you dont want to put your home number down after your road rage incident but to add to the professional image you are trying to portray then a landline number just adds that little bit of trust
Remember if you are doing it to also put contact details on the rear of the van as people following or people you have just passed will be able to see the number
Oh and as you now have all this info on your van you will now need to drive and park your vehicle responsibly as this adds to your image or can harm it
Dean
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agree about the landline number.
I'd have a section listing the Extra services you can provide though.
Is that what you do Lizzy?
Best I stick to cleaning. ;D
I'm not sure about the landline. :-\
If I cut some phsyco up at the lights again it makes me a bit easy to trace. :o
The main thing with a landline is that people know you're local and not just some mystery with a mobile.
That's why I thought I'd put Chepstow on it.
VG...no it's not done!
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Why don't you buy an 0845 number and have it diverted to your landline?
I would change the font to make it easier to read and just list all your services under your logo.
Andy
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definitely need landline customers generally don,t want to deal with you without this...cue the abuse
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definitely need landline customers generally don,t want to deal with you without this...cue the abuse
I would prefer a landline but I am moving so it is mobile, then again my landline is on website and thats plastered all over the van.
0845 cost money from a mobile
0870 are just a con
0800 open to abuse and cost loads in call also cost a mobile user to call you and many will not unless they are sat at home. a mobile they can call when they are behind you etc and webaddress is a defo for more business ;D
of cause this is just IMO
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I would go the full legnth of the van with Squeaky clean and logo, an put window cleaning commercial domestic under it and you phone number on the door
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Hello folks. :)
This is the graphic work done for my van.
At the moment there's not much more than the logo.
Instead of putting a landline number (in case of road rage incidents, female stalkers etc...), I've put my home town on with my mobile.
I thought that would be a bit more reassuring than just a mobile who could be anyone. :-\
I'm going to ask for "Window Cleaning" to be bigger, but what else could I put?
Something about wfp (high reach/ pure water etc...) ?
Fascias, gutters?
What else should I put, and how do I word it? ???
Rog. (excuse the crap photo, I didn't take it!)
logo is eye catching, IMO you need to change the font to a straight one from afar it is hard to read, the mobile will not matter as you have area on it, the back is the place for everything as people stuck in traffic have no choice really but to read it, having a mobile number on a signwritten van can be a good thing, I only the other day called someone from signwritting had an 0845 and a mobile, I used the mobile as I dont pay for mobile or landline calls
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I'm going to have Window Cleaning and the number much bigger anyway, so I think the font will be fine.
This is the back, I think it's the best bit so far.
I just want to know what else to write.
Everyone's commented on what's already there, but I want to know what else to put. ???
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I'm going to have Window Cleaning and the number much bigger anyway, so I think the font will be fine.
This is the back, I think it's the best bit so far.
I just want to know what else to write.
Everyone's commented on what's already there, but I want to know what else to put. ???
i DONT KNOW WHAT YOU DO M8,
I will guess ok:
>Windows
>Upvc
>Gutters
>Soffits and fasias
>Conservatory roofs (I did not spell roofs in the correct manner as it looks odd)
www.windowwashers.co.uk :o that slipped out sry
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Squeeky
Is your phone company with BT? if so you can have an extra number no need for a an extra line its jus an extra number that rings diffrent so u can have it cut off to upstirs or into an office its only an extra £1.50 every 3months i think.
its called BT Call sign
Dave
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No, I'm not BT any more.
I've just thought, we're ex-directory.
Does that mean if some nutter wants to find me he couldn't?
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No, I'm not BT any more.
I've just thought, we're ex-directory.
Does that mean if some nutter wants to find me he couldn't?
it means just that. Squeeky if I wanted to find you it is not hard either follow you home or look for your van (if you park it at home, why you scared of bully, tell them to f(cant say that on here) if they start abusing, there is always the police
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Squeeky
I would have a re-think , sorry mate i think it looks naff, BUT that is only MY opinion, others may not think so.
I think my last sign writing wasnt to good , but i have to live with it now, i have learned a few lessons for my next van.
dave
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Squeeky
I would have a re-think , sorry mate i think it looks naff, BUT that is only MY opinion, others may not think so.
I think my last sign writing wasnt to good , but i have to live with it now, i have learned a few lessons for my next van.
dave
whats the link to your van dave? so we can have a look
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Call divert £1.70 a month. Diverts to, in my case my mobile.
Maybe you should wait.
I don't know what was wrong with my ice cream van idea where you had the "Quack! Quack!" noise.
The customers would know it was Squeaky time and get their windows shut when they heard the quacking. Also collecting on a friday night would be so much easier.
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Call divert £1.70 a month. Diverts to, in my case my mobile.
Maybe you should wait.
I don't know what was wrong with my ice cream van idea where you had the "Quack! Quack!" noise.
The customers would know it was Squeaky time and get their windows shut when they heard the quacking. Also collecting on a friday night would be so much easier.
lol, or you could get Chico from X-factor to sing for you.............IT's Speaky time>>>
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Window washers it was on your uniform thread lol
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you can go for an 0800 number, mine costs me £4.99 a month and i get 200 minutes airtime with that, thats by far enough for new enquires. gets directed to a landline.
I also think your squeaky clean design is alright! its vibrant and eye catching, i think the number does need to bigger but you've said that already, i think the duck could of looked naff but i think its been sharply put together...people will remember you as well!
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agree about the landline number.
I'd have a section listing the Extra services you can provide though.
Is that what you do Lizzy?
Best I stick to cleaning. ;D
I'm not sure about the landline. :-\
If I cut some phsyco up at the lights again it makes me a bit easy to trace. :o
The main thing with a landline is that people know you're local and not just some mystery with a mobile.
That's why I thought I'd put Chepstow on it.
VG...no it's not done!
I often get asked for extras. They all get the same response. "NO"
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nat
maybe your right for cheap and cheerfull domestic , but for an all rounder i would say no, definately not on commercial
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I would go the full legnth of the van with Squeaky clean and logo, an put window cleaning commercial domestic under it and you phone number on the door
Excellent idea. Or "Domestic & Commercial Window Cleaners" to the right of logo.
Phone number underneath logo & wording.
List of extra services on doors
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i think your wrong Dave, i think its fine, i don't think it would make any difference IMO
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I'm with Dave. If you are going to be funny (humourous) be very funny, and if you can't, be business like.
As the custard wont even put his own phone number on i think it's a non starter.
If the point is to generate more work, then no.
The only way I can think round the phone number thing is you specify your areas in chepstow. The point being that people want a local window cleaner and more you help them with this perception the more work you'll get.
In my case, as soon as they see my number they know where I come from (i don't mean the area code)
Sorry to be negative squeaks but that's what the forums for- to exchange ideas and come up with a better one.
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Well Ian's only got a mobile number on his and no area.
He could be anyone.
But guess what? He gets loads of phone calls. ::)
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If you are going to be funny (humourous) be very funny
what like "Quack Quack" noises? ...hilarious!
i don't see what the big deal its a yellow and blue duck, looks fine. didn't the guy with the jellyfish say that he got loads of business from it? its a gimmik and i'm sure what squeaky wants it for will be fine. ;)
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Its all about how much you want out of this game , if you just want a nice wage, then i suppose these animals are ok, but if you have a bigger ambition then i would keep your design more generic, more in the style of writing rather than pictures.
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Its all about how much you want out of this game , if you just want a nice wage, then i suppose these animals are ok, but if you have a bigger ambition then i would keep your design more generic, more in the style of writing rather than pictures.
I know what you mean, I have image on van (will weds) quite a bit of text not to much, and the main part is company logo, that sticks out bigtime, and lucky for me it is also my website address ;D
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Not my cup of tea personally speaking but I would emagine it would get you noticed and remembered which is half the battle at the end of the day.
Learn not to cut people up at the lights and put your home number on there ;D
As for other services what about,
exterior cleaning including;
Gutters
Fascias
Conservatories
At the end of the day what ever you want to do more of.
Just my thoughts
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Not my cup of tea personally speaking but I would emagine it would get you noticed and remembered which is half the battle at the end of the day.
Learn not to cut people up at the lights and put your home number on there ;D
As for other services what about,
exterior cleaning including;
Gutters
Fascias
Conservatories
At the end of the day what ever you want to do more of.
Just my thoughts
Thanks TVCS. ;)
Best post yet.
Helpful at last.
Dave, I don't agree at all.
Most big companies have some sort of logo or memorable design.
If I saw a van with a cheerful logo or one with "P.Davies, window cleaner" on the side I know which one I'd go for.
It looks like you've got a bit more about you, than following the sheep.
Wouldn't matter if I was some old granny, or Bill Gates's secretary.
It looks more of an image than just writing does.
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Back to the back
I would put window cleaners bigger, it looks a bit small .
I think the logo is a good talking point , it will get people talking about you
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Its all about how much you want out of this game , if you just want a nice wage, then i suppose these animals are ok.
exactly, from what squeakys said before i don't think his ambition is to be the biggest national cleaner, i maybe wrong but thats the impression i get.
for a sole trader i think its alright and it really wouldn't make a difference, he has a decent van, with what looks like good quality signs, it would of looked bad with say an old sierra and if he'd hand painted his duck on it. then that to me is just budget!!
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You're right Nat.
However the jellyfish thing has an association of ideas with a wfp, and was the idea of one of his children which is why it borders on the brilliant.
From squeaky clean to a duck is a bit of a stretch and has nothing to do with wfp. A mouse squeaks. Admittedly a big stupid yellow duck is friendly and will be noticed, but would you think about window cleaning or bathtime?
As regards being funny squeaks can be very funny and I did expect any idea he came up with to be stunning because he has such a cockeyed view of the world.
John Garnett and Lizzy had good ideas
WW perhaps I should show you a pic of mine so you have a bench mark.
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You're right Nat.
However the jellyfish thing has an association of ideas with a wfp, and was the idea of one of his children which is why it borders on the brilliant.
From squeaky clean to a duck is a bit of a stretch and has nothing to do with wfp. A mouse squeaks. Admittedly a big stupid yellow duck is friendly and will be noticed, but would you think about window cleaning or bathtime?
As regards being funny squeaks can be very funny and I did expect any idea he came up with to be stunning because he has such a cockeyed view of the world.
John Garnett and Lizzy had good ideas
WW perhaps I should show you a pic of mine so you have a bench mark.
lol VG, go on then mate post it here or send me an email: design@windowwashers.co.uk
and who says it has to be anything to do with wfp? about 70% of people dont have a clue what water fed pole is. We are window cleaners ;)
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I have done very well just trading on my name.
I have big firms phoning me up all the time asking for me by name they even call me Dave.
Give me a ring sometime and i will tell you exactly how i am doing.
like i was saying earlier it was only MY opinion, as far as just a mobile number get real, if you have any ambition you need a land line on there.
I would never ever phone a trades man who just had a mobile number on there van, just tell me how many would never phone if you just had a landline.
Glyn Howard has traded on his name for his window cleaning work for many years, and he has one of the biggest firms in London in fact he was one who helped me decide to stay trading on my name, i have never looked back since.
Dave
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This is mine , it only has a mobile no, and my services and guess what its paid for itself over and over again
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Chris
Do you have your web address on
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erm ...................... I think its on the side ;D ;D
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drivers door by any chance ;D
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Chris
your name and address is also on your web site , so anyone looking for a window cleaner and sees your van with your web address on can look at your details on your site
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like i was saying earlier it was only MY opinion.
Its all healthy debate Dave. ;)
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Chris
your name and address is also on your web site , so anyone looking for a window cleaner and sees your van with your web address on can look at your details on your site
Yep I dont see the point in hiding anything .... makes me more user friendly and more approachable , Daves right when people know your name they use it thinking they are your pal
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to true, I know a compnay near me that only uses mobile numbers for business, these guys have multi million pound turn over, the older generation seem not to use as much, but are doing so more, as this is the way everything goes, people want to speak to someone when they cal and speaking direct has got to be the best way, I will have landline and mobile soon to cover both, but people knocking just a mobile have more than likely never used this method (change with the times or stand still ;)
So many companies lend not to listen to this simple advice, I watched a multi national nearly go into liquidation because of not listening to this advice and it was one of the biggest computer companies
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Squeaky if i were you i would get the back half of the van wrapped,they look the business.It`s not as expensive as you might think.
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By just using a mobile it looks like you want to be annonimous and not paying there taxes.
I will never phone a mobile on a tradesman van if they didnt also have a landline and i suspect i am not alone.
Dave
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By just using a mobile it looks like you want to be annonimous and not paying there taxes.
I will never phone a mobile on a tradesman van if they didnt also have a landline and i suspect i am not alone.
Dave
That's my worry, which is why I thought it would help a lot to put the town that I'm based on it.
NWH...you can pay then!
I'm borrowing to get the normal signage done.
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What is a phone number Dave?
I use mbile and a website address, you can find out alot more from a website address than a landline number I am not knocking either or, what I am saying that many many people will call a mobile, you may not then you may be the minority (please dont that that as a dig as was not meant that way)
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I also would not phone just a mobile number, why not have a landline are they trying to hide something. With a landline you feel that you have a contact if something goes wrong
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I also would not phone just a mobile number, why not have a landline are they trying to hide something. With a landline you feel that you have a contact if something goes wrong
Never
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what about 0845's & 0800's etc what do most of you think of them?
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Ian
i might be a minority say a 1 in 50 thats still 1 million people, you have to maximise everything in business, If i was employing someone i can see instantly with a land line where they are based and are not just some travelling new age hippies who fleece everyone when they arrive in town, a bit similat to " i am just laying some tarmac for the council and have got a bit left over , so i can lay your new drive cheep geezer " "just give us £500 and you will never see us again"
Roger just put your phone number nobody can beat you up down a phone line, If you are concerned just get an extra BT line just for business.
Dave
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they cost money when calling from a mobile which nearly everyone has, there was a time when people would write a number down now they tap into there mobile then stop and think thats going to cost me 35p I did alot of reaserch about it before I went ahead with design on van
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Put your landline on and just have all calls diverted to mobile.
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where did you research Window washer?
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If I was looking for a service and the van only had a mobile number but also a web address I would have a look at there web site . If it had other contact numbers on , or even a home address I would contact them
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Ian
i might be a minority say a 1 in 50 thats still 1 million people, you have to maximise everything in business, If i was employing someone i can see instantly with a land line where they are based and are not just some travelling new age hippies who fleece everyone when they arrive in town, a bit similat to " i am just laying some tarmac for the council and have got a bit left over , so i can lay your new drive cheep geezer " "just give us £500 and you will never see us again"
Roger just put your phone number nobody can beat you up down a phone line, If you are concerned just get an extra BT line just for business.
Dave
Dave if that was true about the numbe landline which is not you can buy a landline number in any area for £4.99 a month.
I know full well what you are saying about calling a mobile a landline and mobile to be honest is far better than just either or. I myself am moving or I would have had both different area code etc and I cany port the £4.99 number, looked into 0845 went in town and asked locals whcih would they call landine and mobile was about the same, easy thinking but when facts are sat infront etc etc.
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99% of my calls come to my landline... says it all.
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they cost money when calling from a mobile which nearly everyone has, there was a time when people would write a number down now they tap into there mobile then stop and think thats going to cost me 35p I did alot of reaserch about it before I went ahead with design on van
I have an 0800 number but on my caller id most of them ring from a landline, the odd ones ring from mobiles, if your on o2 then they don't cost (so a lady inj carphone warehoused told me anyway
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If I was looking for a service and the van only had a mobile number but also a web address I would have a look at there web site . If it had other contact numbers on , or even a home address I would contact them
John you have just got my point spot on it is easy to change a number on a website because if they call it and it has changed they would go back to check they had the right one, this can be updated within 30secs ;)
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How about we use this picture of Squeaky's van ( I have reomved all the sign writting in photoshop earlier ) and do our own designs to give him some ideas! Luke
before
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44365.0;id=7637;image)
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Well Ian's only got a mobile number on his and no area.
He could be anyone.
But guess what? He gets loads of phone calls. ::)
But you're not ian mate, where has ian got you up to now?
If you concentrate more on your own business rog & not ian's you may start doing better. Magic Ian has got you nowhere up to now. :P
tony
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Ian
How often do people move house, if you are still in the same area you can take your landline number with you
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You've spelt traffic wrong( two f's)
Show us what you've got Luke.
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Ian
How often do people move house, if you are still in the same area you can take your landline number with you
I have moved out of town to develop a house nearly finished and house is on market, I target one area, but we work in three 2 others do fine new is where I want to compact work, doing well so far.
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You've spelt traffic wrong( two f's)
Show us what you've got Luke.
VG go through all my posts and correct you will be here all night ;D
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Squeeky clean
Britains most obnoxious window cleaner
We will squirt your windows good and proper
with our squirty sticks ;D
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Squeeky clean
Britains most obnoxious window cleaner
We will squirt your windows good and proper
with our squirty sticks ;D
lol
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Squeeky clean
Britains most obnoxious window cleaner
We will squirt your windows good and proper
with our squirty sticks ;D
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most jobs to big or to small
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now now David....put your claws away.
Been drinking have you?
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Lizzie
Its all said in good faith, me and Squeeky both grew up on this forum.
Its not Christmas already is it ?
Dave
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Its only73 days away
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most jobs to big or to small
Will you shut up ;D thats twice I squirted tea over my monitor ;D
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;D
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Lizzie
Its all said in good faith, me and Squeeky both grew up on this forum.
Its not Christmas already is it ?
Dave
that makes them both about 3 years old :P
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hey, see some of their posts in the non cleaning section, and I can believe it!
Dave...I know your jesting hun. I've never seen you be nasty to anyone on here!
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i think i have sorted the van sign writing prob for the back end anyway.
its meant in jest
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i think i have sorted the van sign writing prob for the back end anyway.
its meant in jest
lol
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mushaboom!
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Hello!!
Its Emma, Squeakys other half.
I was just wondering how asking for some advice on what 'details' ie. phone number, services, to put on the design gave you reason to slate the logo etc that rog was really happy with??!!
I personally think that the duck is fab and so do friends, family and customers!! Its bright and eye catching so people won't forget it, yet its done in a way that looks professional and not like a cowboy!! IMO its much better to have a logo for people to remember and look for than just some plain boring writing that will blend into the background and people will forget easily.
There were many reasons why rog was unsure about the land line, my main concern was that there is nobody home four days a week and when there is very often our five year old daughter will answer - which in my eyes is far less professional than not having it there in the first place!!
And yes rog may look up to and listen to ians ideas - but why the hell not?? He and his business is in a a position that rog would like to be in himself. Ian is also from chepstow and has much experience in chepstow so has valid advice for him.
Thanks tho to the people who have given useful advice and ideas its really appreciated!!
Emma
PS - By the way those of you having a moan about the duck design, i just think your jealous for not thinking of it first!!!
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i think i have sorted the van sign writing prob for the back end anyway.
its meant in jest
LMAO,
have to say I did not like the white background for the text as did not match with the van colour :P
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I like the duck, heres a big one!
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I can give you either image without the background so it can sit over graphics without looking rubbish! if you want it just ask, Luke
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Emma
All the posts here are in good faith and we are just sharing opinions, Roger has certainly had his opinions about a lot of subjects and that is a fact.
Dont get too wound up , everyone here thinks highly of Rog, and the negative comments are all part of this forum.
without the negative comments my business would not be where it is today, instead of struggling to pay £500 tax bills.
Dont take it so personal.
Dave
p.s. jealous of a duck , i dont think so, teddy bears are so much more with it, ducks are so last year lol
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Hello!!
Its Emma, Squeakys other half.
I was just wondering how asking for some advice on what 'details' ie. phone number, services, to put on the design gave you reason to slate the logo etc that rog was really happy with??!!
I personally think that the duck is fab and so do friends, family and customers!! Its bright and eye catching so people won't forget it, yet its done in a way that looks professional and not like a cowboy!! IMO its much better to have a logo for people to remember and look for than just some plain boring writing that will blend into the background and people will forget easily.
There were many reasons why rog was unsure about the land line, my main concern was that there is nobody home four days a week and when there is very often our five year old daughter will answer - which in my eyes is far less professional than not having it there in the first place!!
And yes rog may look up to and listen to ians ideas - but why the hell not?? He and his business is in a a position that rog would like to be in himself. Ian is also from chepstow and has much experience in chepstow so has valid advice for him.
Thanks tho to the people who have given useful advice and ideas its really appreciated!!
Emma
PS - By the way those of you having a moan about the duck design, i just think your jealous for not thinking of it first!!!
Emma, I thought duck was good, I design things aswell as window clean, it is eye catching , everyone have an opinion on here and people will like or dislike, it is what will work for Rog (speaky) that counts in any of this. I too have kids around the same age as your little one it does not sound good if they answered the phone domestic work is ok, if going commercial would be a big no no IMO, I have mobile on side of van as of weds I do have a website aswell though with gives more details.
and good on you girl for coming face to face (should i say text to text) with all the guys on here, hope none are rude. Squeaks step in the right direction m8, duck works if you can wait till thursdAY FOR DESIGN i CAN EMAIL YOU MINE, MINE IS BOLD ASWELL ;) I mean for the back half of van maybe you could take a little from it.
Emma he does give as good as he gets.
And Dave lol at teddy bears, it is now POWER RANGERS GET get with it ;D lol
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No offence meant with the van pic.
I did reply to rog earlier and I think he even noted it with a reply. I guess that i was just trying to have the quack crack.
Soz emma / rog if you took it any other way than it was intended. Like I said earlier, not my cup of tea but if you are happy with it, why worry about what I or anyone else think.
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And yes rog may look up to and listen to ians ideas - but why the hell not?? He and his business is in a a position that rog would like to be in himself. Ian is also from chepstow and has much experience in chepstow so has valid advice for him.
The proof is in the pudding, & rog isn't eating any pudding.
Personaly i wouldn't even have the van written if i was in your position, there are far better & quicker ways of creating new work.
If the van writing fails what are you going to do then? ask Ian?
Like i said, looking up to Ian has got you nowhere so far, i'd be changing strategy pretty sharpish if i was loosing work at the rate rog is.
I'm not being rude with this either. ;)
tony
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And yes rog may look up to and listen to ians ideas - but why the hell not?? He and his business is in a a position that rog would like to be in himself. Ian is also from chepstow and has much experience in chepstow so has valid advice for him.
The proof is in the pudding, & rog isn't eating any pudding.
Personaly i wouldn't even have the van written if i was in your position, there are far better & quicker ways of creating new work.
If the van writing fails what are you going to do then? ask Ian?
Like i said, looking up to Ian has got you nowhere so far, i'd be changing strategy pretty sharpish if i was loosing work at the rate rog is.
I'm not being rude with this either. ;)
tony
Rog is going in right direction having a van written does work if not gets you known that in it's self will produce business if it doesnt then the writting on the van is wrong, hes going in the right direction once its done he will see if it does not work as well as he hopes then leaflets website(email me ;D) and more.
why knock a guy that is down, help him ;)
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And yes rog may look up to and listen to ians ideas - but why the hell not?? He and his business is in a a position that rog would like to be in himself. Ian is also from chepstow and has much experience in chepstow so has valid advice for him.
The proof is in the pudding, & rog isn't eating any pudding.
Personaly i wouldn't even have the van written if i was in your position, there are far better & quicker ways of creating new work.
If the van writing fails what are you going to do then? ask Ian?
Like i said, looking up to Ian has got you nowhere so far, i'd be changing strategy pretty sharpish if i was loosing work at the rate rog is.
I'm not being rude with this either. ;)
tony
Rog is going in right direction having a van written does work if not gets you known that in it's self will produce business if it doesnt then the writting on the van is wrong, hes going in the right direction once its done he will see if it does not work as well as he hopes then leaflets website(email me ;D) and more.
why knock a guy that is down, help him ;)
Why give him false hope in the first place? to be popular? that's only selfish!
What happened to all the people that told him he'd be mega rich by now?
Yeah, go on, buy a big van, you'll need it with all the work you're gonna get once you're wfp.
Telling him he'd be turning work down he'd have so much, 250 quid per half day etc.etc.
It's selfish b&&&&hit that's got him here in the first place. ::)
tony
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And yes rog may look up to and listen to ians ideas - but why the hell not?? He and his business is in a a position that rog would like to be in himself. Ian is also from chepstow and has much experience in chepstow so has valid advice for him.
The proof is in the pudding, & rog isn't eating any pudding.
Personaly i wouldn't even have the van written if i was in your position, there are far better & quicker ways of creating new work.
If the van writing fails what are you going to do then? ask Ian?
Like i said, looking up to Ian has got you nowhere so far, i'd be changing strategy pretty sharpish if i was loosing work at the rate rog is.
I'm not being rude with this either. ;)
tony
Rog is going in right direction having a van written does work if not gets you known that in it's self will produce business if it doesnt then the writting on the van is wrong, hes going in the right direction once its done he will see if it does not work as well as he hopes then leaflets website(email me ;D) and more.
why knock a guy that is down, help him ;)
Why give him false hope in the first place? to be popular? that's only selfish!
What happened to all the people that told him he'd be mega rich by now?
Yeah, go on, buy a big van, you'll need it with all the work you're gonna get once you're wfp.
Telling him he'd be turning work down he'd have so much, 250 quid per half day etc.etc.
It's selfish b&&&&hit that's got him here in the first place. ::)
tony
I never read them posts to be fair, but come on you have either had a bad day, or look negative on others trying to get better m8, does not read well, I aint kissing his a== by the way I dont even know the guy, help him i will if he needs it and i can help thats called being nice isnt it
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Tony,
If it wasn't for listening to Ian then Rog would still be slogging away up a ladder earning 40% less!!
Was just wondering how you manage to keep your customers with that attitude??!!
Emma
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Treat others as you would like to be treated! the golden rule! Luke
ps. do you want the duck?
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Treat others as you would like to be treated! the golden rule! Luke
a quote I made ealier and is so true!
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;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Cheers guys (Rog again by the way ::)) ;D
I'm alright with the current duck thanks, I rather like him.
We'll see what happens in the coming months, but I reckon I'll be glad I did it.
Christ, I only started this thread to see if anyone could help with what else I should put on the van. ;D
So...fascias, and conservatories it is then...?
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Tony,
If it wasn't for listening to Ian then Rog would still be slogging away up a ladder earning 40% less!!
Was just wondering how you manage to keep your customers with that attitude??!!
Emma
Hi Emma
I'm not trying to be harsh or negative, i think rog is a good, honest person trying to do the right thing but i think he has been given lots of missleading advice on here in the past, which, like i say i think is selfish. popular with my posts i may not be but truthfull i am. ;)
tony
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I think the duck logo is great,.. its easily noticed and won't be forgotten in a hurry,.. what more do you want?
As for the landline number,.. you could always peel it off again if you decide it isn't working out,... or leave it off for now and have the option of adding it at a later date. Its only sticky vinyl,.. its easy to change!
Getting the van signage done will make you look more professional and will definitely bring in more work. It'll pay for itself very quickly,.. and keep on paying for years to come.
If you are looking for more work quickly, you need to "brand" yourself, and make your brand known. I'd suggest a small flyer drop (5000 odd, and single colour cheap printing is fine for this type of flyer) with the same logo on the flyer in the areas your van is most commonly seen in,.. and maybe a couple of cheap ads in the parish rag. Even getting the logo on your work shirts might be a good idea.
I'm still getting calls from a flyer drop I did 10 months ago,.. so it's definitely worth it.
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Most big companies have some sort of logo or memorable design.
Check out:
IBM
Microsoft
Dell
Google
Bentley
OCS
Barclays
NatWest
HSBC
etc.. etc..
Personally I am with Dave on this one. A professional logo is the way to go as it allows you to expand more in the future.
However, if you are happy with the duck then go for it! ;)
Andy
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How the hell can a logo dictate expansion? ::)
Not having one may slow you down, yes.
It doesn't matter what it is, as long as people can identify with it.
I can't expand beacuse of the picture on my van? ;D
I've never heard such waffle. ::)
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How the hell can a logo dictate expansion? ::)
Not having one may slow you down, yes.
It doesn't matter what it is, as long as people can identify with it.
I can't expand beacuse of the picture on my van? ;D
I've never heard such waffle. ::)
I think Andy meant Branding more that just the logo if not it is waffle
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How the hell can a logo dictate expansion? ::)
Not having one may slow you down, yes.
It doesn't matter what it is, as long as people can identify with it.
I can't expand beacuse of the picture on my van? ;D
I've never heard such waffle. ::)
I agree 100% Rog!
Have you heard of MadMarys Cleaning? Her company name and van signage get her a lot of work because its so memorable. Sure IBM's logo and Intels logo are good,.... but if any of you cleaners out there are comparing yourself to IBM or Intel,.. time to take yor brain medicine again! ;D ;D ;D
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In branding terms the nearest successfull parrelel would be the geek squad.com who fix computers. He had them drive round in big geek vans and wear trousers that were too short with white socks.
Don't laugh they made a lot of money and are Global.
If it's a no on the Quack! noise, what about my idea to dress up in a duck suit?
Did you ever see that Gene Wilder film where they did chicken song? Absolute classic.
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In branding terms the nearest successfull parrelel would be the geek squad.com who fix computers. He had them drive round in big geek vans and wear trousers that were too short with white socks.
Don't laugh they made a lot of money and are Global.
If it's a no on the Quack! noise, what about my idea to dress up in a duck suit?
Did you ever see that Gene Wilder film where they did chicken song? Absolute classic.
The duck suit would be a great idea for handing out flyers, I tend to dress up as a drip ;D
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I can just see it now:
woman:ohh I wish I had a window cleaner
other woman: have you seen that guy going around, hes a window cleaner
woman:whats his name
other woman: I cant remember but he has a yellow duck on his van
it will work, as long as the duck is bigger. My van is orange so people get to know me that way! Luke
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what about my idea to dress up in a duck suit?
you must be on a wind up, i'll take it as you are ;) ;D
i think squeaky should take it as a compliment, 6 pages of replies to a question about his sign writing, if that was anyone else on here you'd be lucky to get a page. just shows how much of an impact you have round here squeaky good or bad. take it all as a big compliment, i would! 8)
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Your van is orange because it's ex RAC you berk. Sorry Luke I'm joking again,
Giving the leaflets out dressed up is a good idea.
I am very interested in branding and found this topic interesting before squeaky even posted it. He will confirm that I have been asking what his ideas are for this for months, I told him to have a think about it when he went on holiday.
The yellow plastic duck is quite a good idea, but not superb, I can remember it used to be his avatar at one time. You've got to bear in mind that i'm a very pedantic person (argue over insignificant details), and the only duck connection I can see is that yellow plastic bath ducks are supposed to squeak.
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Your van is orange because it's ex RAC you berk.
lol
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No, it isnt ex RAC, i bought it orange on purpose, it is a different orange to RAC :) Luke
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You might be joking about the duck suit,.. but that kind of gimmick works really well! Check out this guy who cleans windows in his kilt!!
http://www.celticwindowcleaning.com/
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orange, on purpose ;)
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Hi Nathanael, just got your email on Aquatec. I have registered on your forum, I will talk more by pm on Aquatec if that is alright. Where are you in Ireland? My dad is Irish, all my family are in Dublin, Luke
ps. yes orange on purpose, I could have had any colour. It makes me well known!
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If you dont want your landline number on your van . Do you have a listing in yellow pages ( you can get a free one ) then have a find me in yellow pages logo
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How the hell can a logo dictate expansion? Roll Eyes
Not having one may slow you down, yes.
It doesn't matter what it is, as long as people can identify with it.
I can't expand beacuse of the picture on my van? Grin
I've never heard such waffle. Roll Eyes
I didn't mean it like that.
Here is an example of what I mean:
You are asked to quote for a posh large office block. You turn up in your van with a big yellow duck on the side... The other company turn up in their van with a smart professional logo on the side... Who will they take more seriously?
However, I don't see the yellow duck being a problem if you are only ever going after domestics.
Do you see what I mean now though? (probably not).
Andy
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I agree 100% Rog!
Have you heard of MadMarys Cleaning? Her company name and van signage get her a lot of work because its so memorable. Sure IBM's logo and Intels logo are good,.... but if any of you cleaners out there are comparing yourself to IBM or Intel,.. time to take yor brain medicine again! Grin Grin Grin
When I listed companies like IBM etc... I was just pointing out that many big companies have simple logo designs.
I wasn't comparing myself to any big companies!
Andy
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IBM were famously a very conventional company, while Apple computers were more crazy, doing things differently, dressing casually. As most people know if it wasnt for Microsoft stealing their operating system they would be the ritchest company on earth. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that that type of marketing can be very succesful! Luke
http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=19315
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Microsoft didn't steal IBM's operating system. IBM sold it to them!
I used to work for IBM ;)
Andy
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you didnt read my post, Microsoft stole Apples OS!!! Those three companies are famous rivals. And you are right Microsoft sold IBM their OS, but the one they sold was stolen from Apple. When Bill Gates sold the OS to IBM, IBM were so desperate to compete with Apple that they agreed that Microsoft could sell their OS to any manufacurer they wanted ( IBM didnt realise the potential for profits of OS's!!!!! ) Microsoft stole Apples OS when Apple sent them 2 Macintosh prototypes, Steve Jobs ( Apple CEO ) didnt realise he would be back stabbed by his friends at jealous Microsoft. Luke
ps. Andy you might like to watch this film called Pirates of Silicon Valley, its about the stroy of Microsoft and Apple!!! look under movies then irates of Silicon Valley!
http://www.tv-links.co.uk
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How the hell can a logo dictate expansion? Roll Eyes
Not having one may slow you down, yes.
It doesn't matter what it is, as long as people can identify with it.
I can't expand beacuse of the picture on my van? Grin
I've never heard such waffle. Roll Eyes
I didn't mean it like that.
Here is an example of what I mean:
You are asked to quote for a posh large office block. You turn up in your van with a big yellow duck on the side... The other company turn up in their van with a smart professional logo on the side... Who will they take more seriously?
However, I don't see the yellow duck being a problem if you are only ever going after domestics.
Do you see what I mean now though? (probably not).
Andy
Love this sort of debate, if what you put is right Andy where did Macdonalds get the golden arches from as they have nothing to do with Burgers.
IBM messed thereself up by not taking the internt seriously someone he up didnt think it would work (they was wrong) and it naerly cost them their company for this mistake.
Microsoft v Apple mac.....this started as far as I am aware from the java console that microsoft used which I belive was apples and they used the idea, this is why there was so many problem with virtual java machine in the older copys of windows as they was not allowed to use the updates anymore.
I have not had this chat with anyone for years now and find it well interesting. And good on Bill Gates he's the one who's laughing
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Squeaky,
I like the duck - it demonstrates your humour - and theres nothing wrong in that.
And some of this may have already been said but considering there 6 pages of replies on this topic forgive me but ive only scanned through it.
I would definitely have a landline number diverted to your mobile and have that written on the side of the van (when I started out my first lot of leaflet where printed with a mobile number and although I did get work from it, nowhere near the work I got when I changed the number to a landline)
Also the 2 most important things that are written on the side of your van are 'Window Cleaner' and 'Your Number' so allocate the space they deserve.
I know you've invested a hell of a lot of money in a short space of time but if your struggling so much at the mo, put the sign writting on a back burner for the time being, get some cheap single colour leaflets printed gather up some family and friends and get out and pound those streets you'll be amazed at the amount of customers you'll pick up.
Whatever you decide, I hope it works for you.
Regards
Al
P.S. If you dont like what ive written please dont set Emma on me ;)
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They bought it, it had been designed for a zerox personal comp that never got anywhere. The people they bought it off 100k thought they'd stitched them up and didn't realise IBM were in the market.
Steve jobs, what a story! Brilliant business man, but mid career his life falls apart.
Wife leaves him, talk shows ridicule him, board members gang up on him and push him out of the company he founded apple.
He's all over the Amercian media, the biggest crash and burn business man ever. All the comics use him as the butt of jokes. The business theorists say that a ceo of a big company can't be the founder because that is a proffessional role.
What does he do? He has some money so he buys a small film animation company. He gets it cheap. The companies called Pixar and they make a film called Toy Story.
Pixar now has more new profitable products than Disney. In the biggest comeback in corporate history Jobbs bought control of Apple back and sacked everyone who had conspired against him. Then he invented the Ipod.
Sorry Alistair Stott I think your advice is excellent
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Windowwashers, the Microsoft vs Apple thing started when Microsoft just ripped Apples OS off back in the 80's. Apple are on set to potentially overtake both IBM and Microsoft in the next 5-10 years. 110 million ipods have been sold!!! and the Apple imac/mini/desktop are becoming very popular due to the popularity of the iPod and the fact that Apples OS is far more stable/user friendly/secure than Windows, Luke
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Sorry Alistair Stott I think your advice is excellent
have to add that he did forgeet one thing, and thats the website address, it is easier to remember than a telephone number both is a bonus
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Windowwashers, the Microsoft vs Apple thing started when Microsoft just ripped Apples OS off back in the 80's. Apple are on set to potentially overtake both IBM and Microsoft in the next 5-10 years. 110 million ipods have been sold!!! and the Apple imac/mini/desktop are becoming very popular due to the popularity of the iPod and the fact that Apples OS is far more stable/user friendly/secure than Windows, Luke
the only problem I see there, both systems are still not ampatibale with the other, IMO whoever does this will wipe the stock market floor with the other Apple graphics better again IMO and most designers in the UK will say the same, but microsoft I think are the leaders well for the time being.
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The Seattle Computer company had q dos gates and Allen modified it for IBM.
The price was $50,000.
But that was a lot of money then and they gambled on IbM buying it off them.
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windowwashers, they are compatible :
http://www.parallels.com/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
You can run Microsft programs and OS inside Apple OS, on the fly. So you can drag and drop files between each OS, use programs from either OS. So there are no compatabilty problems, I am using Safari now ( Apple web browser - it runs 2-3x faster than IE and Firefox, I love it ) Luke
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The Seattle Computer company had q dos gates and Allen modified it for IBM.
The price was $50,000.
But that was a lot of money then and they gambled on IbM buying it off them.
VG you know your stuff! but that 0S didnt have a GUI ( graphic user interface or mouse to operate it ). So Microsoft stole Apples OS so they could compete and then they sold that OS to NEC which was a Macintosh 128k rip off!!! Microsoft won the market unfairly by stealing other peoples hard work. Apple on the other hand got the GUI and mouse legally by buying them off XEROX ( they didnt think they were useful, ohh how wrong they were! ). Many XEROX guys came over to work for Apple, Luke
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VG, did you know Steve Jobs only earns $1 dollar per year as CEO of Apple, instead he is paid in bonuses/jets/property!!!!!!! When Steve Jobs left Apple he set up Next computers, when he returned to Apple they used most of the NEXT technology he had been designing. It was the Pepsi Cola CEO that got Steve sacked because Steve was pitting his company against each other to encourage productivity, he would have his designers work massive amounts of hours and would tell his Macintosh design team that they were more important than the other Apple employees, it made alot of people worship him and other s hate him. He is a really good buiness man, I watch all his Keynotes. Oh and Pixar is owned by Disney now but Steve Jobs owns the majority of shares! Luke
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Which brings us back to branding. Xerox were huge and were dominant in office machines, so common sense says that they should dominate the computer market.
Chester Carlson invented the plain paoer copier in 1928, launched in 1948. In the early 1980's they launched a personal computer which failed in large part due to branding.
The best example of brand stretch is Yamaha- motorbikes, pianos Mitsubishi stereos cars banks.
Steve Jobbs was a big fan of the geeks and it was in a very early keynote- but I don't know what his take on the duck might be.
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the term "Xerox it" or "get it xeroxed" is testament to Xerox!
here is the Xerox Parc workstation
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Xerox_Alto.jpg/450px-Xerox_Alto.jpg)
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JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES YOU LOT ARE JUST GEEKS
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(http://brettduncan.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/geek.jpg)
"Hi, I'm Luke......I like computers" said in a very weird yorkshire accent!
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errrm me thinks this has gone way off subject now ::) have been thinking about the mobile number landline all day I now have both (if it will fit or one or other I always listen and way up things and this ones stumped me the more i think about it or what way to go :'(. new or old way :-\
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oh no...far from it. That picture was a suggestion for Squeaky Cleans sign writting, can you imagine it? Luke
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oh no...far from it. That picture was a suggestion for Squeaky Cleans sign writting, can you imagine it? Luke
think that may just put off customers lol the rubber duck is sweeter looking
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sweet....the public dont need sweet right now, they need the stern look of a Yorkshire Geek! Luke
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Here is an example of what I mean:
You are asked to quote for a posh large office block. You turn up in your van with a big yellow duck on the side... The other company turn up in their van with a smart professional logo on the side... Who will they take more seriously?
The one who's most polite, approachable, and gives the best quote.
Don't kid yourself otherwise.
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Squeaky,
I like the duck - it demonstrates your humour - and theres nothing wrong in that.
And some of this may have already been said but considering there 6 pages of replies on this topic forgive me but ive only scanned through it.
I would definitely have a landline number diverted to your mobile and have that written on the side of the van (when I started out my first lot of leaflet where printed with a mobile number and although I did get work from it, nowhere near the work I got when I changed the number to a landline)
Also the 2 most important things that are written on the side of your van are 'Window Cleaner' and 'Your Number' so allocate the space they deserve.
I know you've invested a hell of a lot of money in a short space of time but if your struggling so much at the mo, put the sign writting on a back burner for the time being, get some cheap single colour leaflets printed gather up some family and friends and get out and pound those streets you'll be amazed at the amount of customers you'll pick up.
Whatever you decide, I hope it works for you.
Regards
Al
P.S. If you dont like what ive written please dont set Emma on me ;)
Thanks Alistair, I appreciate the input.
But I think you've got it the wrong way around.
I'm not wasting any more on leaflets when I could have permanant advertising on my van.
Last time I put out 250 leaflets I got 1 yes and 2 maybes.
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Why don't you buy an 0845 number and have it diverted to your landline?
I would change the font to make it easier to read and just list all your services under your logo.
Andy
I use an 0845 number. You can get them free but I wanted an easy to remember one so I paid £200 for mine. I'll take a pic of my van soon and put it on here. It's very simple and text only.
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Use an image you feel comfortable with, the duck is fine. Its colourfull, amusing and unoffensive ( non threatening)
Maybe think of a strap line to work in conjunction with the duck.
"squeeky clean ...For a "Quacking" good service!"
"Do dirty windows ruffle your feathers?"
Tired of big window cleaning BILLS?...
Instead of listing every service you provide, maybe.....
" Extrenal Property cleaning service, specialist in PVCu cleaning and renovation."
Mobile phone no is ok, freephone number would be better( 0800)
"Go on..... give the duck a phone"
Hope this gives you something to think about...
Also with your photographic eye, getting the image balance alongside the text right should be fairly easy for you, dont let the price of the graphics stop you from creating what is in your minds eye.
And what I mean by that is, spend a bit more ( if you have to to get it spot on )
otherwise you may as well stick letters on from the local hardware store. Oh and dont let the vinyl cutter tell you he cant do this or that, he.s talking balloney, tell him "my way or highway"
Good luck
Mark.
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Thanks Alistair, I appreciate the input.
But I think you've got it the wrong way around.
I'm not wasting any more on leaflets when I could have permanant advertising on my van.
Last time I put out 250 leaflets I got 1 yes and 2 maybes.
250 leaflets - im talking about 5000 - you can get them done for about £50.
I think that the small amount you sent out didnt give you a true reflection of the usual success rate you should expect 2/3 per 100 leaflets I would say is the norm plus calls here and there for months and years (Ive only been going a year - but only last week I got a call from my first leaflet drop) to come.
So from that drop you would expect to get anywhere from 20 + 40 maybes (your figures) to 100/150, but even 20 is pretty good for £50.
But like I said it is your decision im just thinking of the money spent to customers gained ratio, and dont get me wrong I agree with getting your van sign written I got mine back from getting wrapped yesterday ;D
Al
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Thanks Alistair, I appreciate the input.
But I think you've got it the wrong way around.
I'm not wasting any more on leaflets when I could have permanant advertising on my van.
Last time I put out 250 leaflets I got 1 yes and 2 maybes.
250 leaflets - im talking about 5000 - you can get them done for about £50.
I think that the small amount you sent out didnt give you a true reflection of the usual success rate you should expect 2/3 per 100 leaflets I would say is the norm plus calls here and there for months and years (Ive only been going a year - but only last week I got a call from my first leaflet drop) to come.
So from that drop you would expect to get anywhere from 20 + 40 maybes (your figures) to 100/150, but even 20 is pretty good for £50.
But like I said it is your decision im just thinking of the money spent to customers gained ratio, and dont get me wrong I agree with getting your van sign written I got mine back from getting wrapped yesterday ;D
Al
do you have a pic of your van ?????
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I can't believe no ones commented on your post mark, that's exactly the kind of thing I expected Squeaks to come up with.
I had similar in mind but was holding out untill he got really ratty.
If it was a competition in my view you would have the best entry. You seldom get thanked though.
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I do like "Give the duck a phone" ;D
Still don't know how to word the extras.
Gutters, fascias, conservatories enough?
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I do like "Give the duck a phone" ;D
Still don't know how to word the extras.
Gutters, fascias, conservatories enough?
what about
"some people give a duck if they have clean windows"
you know have our number
(could have a website but you have not got one yet)
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We clean:
>fascias
>gutters
>conservateries
And as many thing as you can fit on there. Oh and replace the > with dots ie bullet points.
A website might be an idea and before anyone tries to sell you one, it's easy and cheap enough to build a half decent one
Arthur
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http://www.squeaky-clean.biz/html/commercial.html
http://squeakyclean.com/
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Instead of bullet points what about little ducklings.
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What about the c0ck who just rang my phone and quacked down it, while his little friend giggled in the background? ::)
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It wasnt me
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What about the c0ck who just rang my phone and quacked down it, while his little friend giggled in the background? ::)
Tosh ;D ;D ;D
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bum...wish I had thought of that!!
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It wasn't me.
The rule is as few words as possible and you are wondering about extra's?
Just looked at your original post. You need to keep the words window cleaner(s).
You don't need domestic and commercial IMO.
personally I would like to see a strap line. Either the one Mark suggested or the other one. You can run this in italics and speech marks right at the bottom side of the van.
Don't start getting wound up over the phone call you are starting to get somewhere with this.
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It shows that you are getting noticed, but if you have not had your van done yet it could be someone off here
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I can't believe no ones commented on your post mark, that's exactly the kind of thing I expected Squeaks to come up with.
I had similar in mind but was holding out untill he got really ratty.
If it was a competition in my view you would have the best entry. You seldom get thanked though.
Maybe if I knew how to squeegy a window I might get the recognition I deserve!!
;D ;D
Mark
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I can't believe no ones commented on your post mark, that's exactly the kind of thing I expected Squeaks to come up with.
I had similar in mind but was holding out untill he got really ratty.
If it was a competition in my view you would have the best entry. You seldom get thanked though.
Maybe if I knew how to squeegy a window I might get the recognition I deserve!!
;D ;D
Mark
you would still get slated, i do all the time and have been doing it longer than alot of people on her, take it on the chin and reply it's all good fun in my eyes you listen to the ones that know what they are talking about or the ideas that you think will work at the end of the day ;)
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What about the c0ck who just rang my phone and quacked down it, while his little friend giggled in the background? Roll Eyes
If you had a smart professional logo that wouldn't have happened!
Just kidding Rog ;)
Andy
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What about the c0ck who just rang my phone and quacked down it, while his little friend giggled in the background? Roll Eyes
If you had a smart professional logo that wouldn't have happened!
Just kidding Rog ;)
Andy
lmao thats just made my night, did that really happen Rog?
if it did has to be from here do some detective work and post it back on here so I can say thank you for making me laugh.
It has to be someone you speak to so I really hope you dont take offence to it in anyway as you will make me feel well bad for posting this :-\
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Clearly one of the newbies mate. ;D
The real pros on here wouldn't be so childish.
I'm not bothered, it was kind of funny, if I hadn't been having a shave at the time and covered my phone in foam.
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Clearly one of the newbies mate. ;D
The real pros on here wouldn't be so childish.
I'm not bothered, it was kind of funny, if I hadn't been having a shave at the time and covered my phone in foam.
I myself would have laughed it off aswell m8 ;D.
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Take a look at this one,........................
Seriously,.. you could set your van on fire and it would look better!!!
Sad to say,.. but I actually know the bloke,... and he's BUSY!!! Just shows Rog,.. ignore those doubters,.. if he can get work from that,.. you'll be taking on helpers before the week is out with your design! ;D ;D
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;D
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07 plate van...jobs cleaned in 5 minutes used to take 20.... new fangled pole....they just want clean windows WITHOUT YOU MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY OUT OF THEM.
Your old customers have noticed the difference in the way you work and they dont like it. It was ok before, you were up and down that ladder using that squeegy like the pro you are. Now paying £10 for 20 minutes of hard graft, well you deserve it , nice hard working lad putting food on the table for his kids. Give you a few bob extra at christmas, buy your kids something, we know what its like we went through the war etc etc. weve struggled.
Now the pole has changed that, and the new van has reinforced their suspicons that you're doing alot better than they thought. Your new customers dont know any different, youve always had a new van and always taken 5 minutes to earn £10.
Thats why, in my opinion, youve lost so many customers.
And before I get the newbie card thrown at me. People are still people no matter what profession you happen to be in. You dont need to be a window cleaner for 60 years to understand how people think. Oh and while im on the subject of the newbie issue, different people with different skills bring different points of view to issues discussed on here.
Wether you choose to take any notice of advice based on their membership status is entirely upto the reader..
Mark
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07 plate van...jobs cleaned in 5 minutes used to take 20.... new fangled pole....they just want clean windows WITHOUT YOU MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY OUT OF THEM.
Your old customers have noticed the difference in the way you work and they dont like it. It was ok before, you were up and down that ladder using that squeegy like the pro you are. Now paying £10 for 20 minutes of hard graft, well you deserve it , nice hard working lad putting food on the table for his kids. Give you a few bob extra at christmas, buy your kids something, we know what its like we went through the war etc etc. weve struggled.
Now the pole has changed that, and the new van has reinforced their suspicons that you're doing alot better than they thought. Your new customers dont know any different, youve always had a new van and always taken 5 minutes to earn £10.
Thats why, in my opinion, youve lost so many customers.
Couldn't agree more Mark. ;)
That's exactly what's caused the problem in my opinion.
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07 plate van...jobs cleaned in 5 minutes used to take 20.... new fangled pole....they just want clean windows WITHOUT YOU MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY OUT OF THEM.
Your old customers have noticed the difference in the way you work and they dont like it. It was ok before, you were up and down that ladder using that squeegy like the pro you are. Now paying £10 for 20 minutes of hard graft, well you deserve it , nice hard working lad putting food on the table for his kids. Give you a few bob extra at christmas, buy your kids something, we know what its like we went through the war etc etc. weve struggled.
Now the pole has changed that, and the new van has reinforced their suspicons that you're doing alot better than they thought. Your new customers dont know any different, youve always had a new van and always taken 5 minutes to earn £10.
Thats why, in my opinion, youve lost so many customers.
Couldn't agree more Mark. ;)
That's exactly what's caused the problem in my opinion.
I also agree with what Mark says, and I really hope this does not happen to me will findout soon enough, but I am pretty good at selling myself but soon see :-\
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This is some of the reason i got an older van and got a new car the customer doesnt see the car so cant make comments
A few years ago a customer was talking about the vehicle another local window cleaner had(a brand new 4x4)and said how can he afford that hes only a window cleaner must be charging too much
although that could also have something to do with the low regard window cleaners are seen in
Dean
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I got an old van because its all i can afford ;D
Customers dont mind when theyve got 2 brand new vehciles sitting on the drive
Then how many of you when you see big posh cars on your customers drives put a bit extra money on the price
Come on be honest ;)
Brett
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Then how many of you when you see big posh cars on your customers drives put a bit extra money on the price
Come on be honest ;)
Brett
Brett, no1 will admit it, its just not the thing, we dont need to do that sort of thing these days, afterall we all earn 500 quid a day :P :P
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Then how many of you when you see big posh cars on your customers drives put a bit extra money on the price
Come on be honest ;)
Brett
Brett, no1 will admit it, its just not the thing, we dont need to do that sort of thing these days, afterall we all earn 500 quid a day :P :P
Matt
only 500 quid a day? you must be slow ive normally done 2 grand by dinner it must be my ionics pole lol ;D ;D
Brett, counting his millions ::)
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Then how many of you when you see big posh cars on your customers drives put a bit extra money on the price
Come on be honest ;)
Brett
Brett, no1 will admit it, its just not the thing, we dont need to do that sort of thing these days, afterall we all earn 500 quid a day :P :P
Matt
only 500 quid a day? you must be slow ive normally done 2 grand by dinner it must be my ionics pole lol ;D ;D
Brett, counting his millions ::)
good on you, you just knew that pole would pay for itself in a few weeks ;)
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at the end of the day your not going to convince someone to use your services if they dont want a window cleaner, the only people i know that have window cleaners, are the ones that want clean windows, i know that sounds off buts its true, all people want to see, if they are after a cleaner is "window cleaner" and your number, i don't believe it extends to more than that, all a logo and fancy wording and lettering will do will make it stand out in a crowd, and how often are you in a crowd?
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So what are we supposed to do then drive round in S*** vans or cars day in day out,no way pedro my customers couldn`t give a dam most of them are driving 4x4 s or mercs and bmw s 50 grand upwards,do you think they give a toss if i`ve got a new van ?.
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So what are we supposed to do then drive round in S*** vans or cars day in day out,no way pedro my customers couldn`t give a dam most of them are driving 4x4 s or mercs and bmw s 50 grand upwards,do you think they give a toss if i`ve got a new van ?.
Maybe they do maybe they dont. The comment was made in relation to squeeky's particular situation. If you want to clean windows in a bentley with a roof rack then carry on. Everyones situation differs, your customers dont mind, squeekys old ones, in my opinion, do.
Mark
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If you want to clean windows in a bentley with a roof rack then carry on.
That isnt so far off the mark so far as Im aware.
Theres a window cleaner round where I live, he has a 5 series BMW, with a roof rack on it and does his round in that. I personally think its madness, I thought it would do damage to his round at least, customers opinions an' all that stuff.
He's still working, I dont know if it did lose him custys. In my eyes a BMW doesnt look good, even if there are cleaners with more expensive vans and setups. To me its craziness.
Appparently his roof-rack cost more than my car :o :o
He was investigated by the tax-man after acquiring it though!
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In my eyes a BMW doesnt look good...etc
I agree, they look horrible.
Not for window cleaning either. ;D
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i think its poope squeaks ;D
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only kiddin... name smaller.. window cleaning and number huge. ..
thats just my opinion though.
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Rog...go with the Duck or should i say follow the Duck....
Great idea go for it.. its a defo yummy mummy graber..
Bazzy...