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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mark m on June 28, 2019, 02:06:03 pm
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I would like to say a big thanks to Lee for doing a talk at this year show
20 min Talk - 10 min Q &A
Pryor’s Window Cleaning was started by Lee Pryor after being made redundant for the second time in 2 years. The business was literally started with a bucket, ladder, £99 roof rack from Halfords and a Honda Civic his Nan very kindly gave him for free. Lee went out day after day knocking on doors and delivering homemade leaflets offering his service
http://www.cleaningexpouk.co.uk/seminars
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
I strongly advise you not to go to hear him talk, then.
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
Come on, with all the snake oils and magic wands under one roof it wouldn't be right unless we also had a wizard doing incantations. lol
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
As Vin has pointed out all you need to do is stay away and not get involved. Problem solved. In the mean time it may surprise you to know that there are many people out there that want to develop their business and struggle with the many challenges that you would know nothing about. Its nice to see that what they want to achieve is possible and hear from someone that has overcome those challenges. I really don't know why people like you just don't stay away, why say anything at all. Just carry on doing what your doing and let others do the same rather than attack them. I don't attack you.
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
you ve got to admit going from a bucket and a ladder and an old car to £1million turnover a year running a mainly domestic window cleaning business is impressive.....it really is....
not that im aiming that high......my next goal is £50k a year working part time hours on my own....... :)
plus lees giving people employment.....thats got to be applauded in this day and age.....
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I actually respect someone who knows what they want and goes for it
I don't want riches /BMW /6*holidays
Some people do.
I like to enjoy life which you can actually do without being Roman Abramovich/Lee Pryor/etc.
Keep going Lee, just have a nice thick skin and get ready for what I would call banter, i don't believe in HATE of any sort👍
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
you ve got to admit going from a bucket and a ladder and an old car to £1million turnover a year running a mainly domestic window cleaning business is impressive.....it really is....
not that im aiming that high......my next goal is £50k a year working part time hours on my own....... :)
plus lees giving people employment.....thats got to be applauded in this day and age.....
He's in an area where an employee can do £80k plus a year, you would need to be a complete moron not to succeed, I would say most of his so called challenges are down to his playing the big shot and an inability to learn from others.
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Things never change. We all know how these posts go and always causes issues and teddy throwing. Sometimes caused on purpose.
I predict a riot ;D Again
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
you ve got to admit going from a bucket and a ladder and an old car to £1million turnover a year running a mainly domestic window cleaning business is impressive.....it really is....
not that im aiming that high......my next goal is £50k a year working part time hours on my own....... :)
plus lees giving people employment.....thats got to be applauded in this day and age.....
He's in an area where an employee can do £80k plus a year, you would need to be a complete moron not to succeed, I would say most of his so called challenges are down to his playing the big shot and an inability to learn from others.
i would think lee has learned a great deal from others,including people on this forum as well as a lot of business books i imagine he s read over the years......as well as his own experiences...
same for all of us.....we all learn from each other in lots of aspects of life,not just in business......
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Really not interested in hearing about this big head and his accomplishment s , I certainly am not interested in listening to him spout off at some show that’s just playing right into his ego solar Steve will probably be the next one up there giving a lecture and boasting away 😂😂😂
As Vin has pointed out all you need to do is stay away and not get involved. Problem solved. In the mean time it may surprise you to know that there are many people out there that want to develop their business and struggle with the many challenges that you would know nothing about. Its nice to see that what they want to achieve is possible and hear from someone that has overcome those challenges. I really don't know why people like you just don't stay away, why say anything at all. Just carry on doing what your doing and let others do the same rather than attack them. I don't attack you.
Ime not attacking you at all just try reading your first post in several months it’s nothing but see me the big I am I this and I that , you make yourself look very childish ,not the owner of a successful buisness there are many that have similar sized businesses to yours but they arnt constantly bragging and bigging them selves up , you come over as a very insecure person needing everyone’s approval and constant admiration ,this is a public forum and ones are entitled to there opinions ,when you post in the way you do you must expect both positive and negative points ,I am just expressing my view of how you come over , you have done well I admit that but try and show some humility maybe people would warm to you more then
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Things never change. We all know how these posts go and always causes issues and teddy throwing. Sometimes caused on purpose.
I predict a riot ;D Again
Why do you think Mark started the thread ? over 200 views and still growing all in a few hours, the last thread he started about his show got around 150 before disappearing down the list.
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I guarantee not one person at the show has the balls to talk about his ego face to face.
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I guarantee not one person at the show has the balls to talk about his ego face to face.
Unfortunately the show is to far away from me but I would quite happily talk face to face with Lee I don’t have anything against him and an certainly not afrade to speak to anyone , but his aspirations and goals are totally different from mine , Ime not intrested in trying to build an empire , so we would have little in common to discuss
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I guarantee not one person at the show has the balls to talk about his ego face to face.
Unfortunately the show is to far away from me but I would quite happily talk face to face with Lee I don’t have anything against him and an certainly not afrade to speak to anyone , but his aspirations and goals are totally different from mine , Ime not intrested in trying to build an empire , so we would have little in common to discuss
I will face time the event for anyone whom wants to see it.
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I guarantee not one person at the show has the balls to talk about his ego face to face.
So what, this is a childish brown nosing reply, the fact that I wouldnt say that to your face doesn't make it any less true.
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I, for one, am glad to see Lee back on the forum, particularly as I am facing some challenges related to growth (and how to manage the various practicalities) and have found his insights very interesting in the past. I have some questions I hope get answered in the next few weeks.
However, Lee, if you’re reading this, you did make one mistake last time you were here that I really hope you won’t repeat.
You responded to the idiots, and let their moronic chatter get to you.
You cannot win an argument with idiots, because, well, they’re idiots! And more importantly, they don’t want to win arguments, they just want to rattle you.
If you make a good, irrefutable point that’s backed up with evidence, a forum idiot won’t say “fair play, you’ve got me there. Perhaps I was wrong”. Nope, he will say “but what about this [unrelated thing] or that or this”.
You could prove that black is black with scientific evidence, expert opinion, personal experience etc, and a forum idiot will still say black is white. It’s a game not worth playing.
So, the only way to deal with forum idiots is to ignore them. Completely. No matter what they say. Ignore!
They’ll keep trying to provoke for a bit, but will eventually get tired of being ignored and give up.
If you engage them, you perpetuate their stupidity (which is bad enough) but also you waste your own time and effort. After all, do you really care what idiots think?
Ignore!
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I would say the biggest idiot is the one who comes onto a public forum after consuming alcohol, makes a childish statement about what he's not going to do, then proceeds to do it anyway! Sounds like a proper whalloper to me!!
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Shame to see another thread dragged into the gutter.
Once again, this forum seems to be the victim of brainless trolls. It used to be a place of inovation and well meant advice and support. Now it seems that the positive constructive and genuine people have abandoned ship leaving the trolls to drag it down one thread at a time.
If you don't have something positive to say, just jog on to another thread.
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There are ways to be helpful and there are ways in which you shouldn't.
If you had a friend who would highlight him him him and him, would you still be friends?
I understand people can project a certain social media personality which can be different to their own personality and sometimes they can simply be the same. Ones might see a different version of Lee at the event compared to the persona on here and then again, they may not.
However, Lee my be spurt these comments just to have fun with the bickering that begins and how easy it is to baite one's on here. 😂😂 Let's face it, we all know which ones take the baite all the time as well ;D
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I, for one, am glad to see Lee back on the forum, particularly as I am facing some challenges related to growth (and how to manage the various practicalities) and have found his insights very interesting in the past. I have some questions I hope get answered in the next few weeks.
However, Lee, if you’re reading this, you did make one mistake last time you were here that I really hope you won’t repeat.
You responded to the idiots, and let their moronic chatter get to you.
You cannot win an argument with idiots, because, well, they’re idiots! And more importantly, they don’t want to win arguments, they just want to rattle you.
If you make a good, irrefutable point that’s backed up with evidence, a forum idiot won’t say “fair play, you’ve got me there. Perhaps I was wrong”. Nope, he will say “but what about this [unrelated thing] or that or this”.
You could prove that black is black with scientific evidence, expert opinion, personal experience etc, and a forum idiot will still say black is white. It’s a game not worth playing.
So, the only way to deal with forum idiots is to ignore them. Completely. No matter what they say. Ignore!
They’ll keep trying to provoke for a bit, but will eventually get tired of being ignored and give up.
If you engage them, you perpetuate their stupidity (which is bad enough) but also you waste your own time and effort. After all, do you really care what idiots think?
Ignore!
Oh, come off it Pete! Think about it, who's the trolling idiot? Who gets the most posts locked? He loves it! The guy’s a wind up merchant, bit of superiority and away he goes. Sit back and see the funny side.
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Lee will always have haters on this forum, there are a few on here that are smallminded and just love to cause a argument at someone else's expense.
Personally I love to hear peoples success stories ie, Richard Branson, Alan Sugar etc and why not ? these individuals have worked hard and had self belief to get where they are now, what is so wrong in that?
As I stated in an earlier thread, I'm far too old (66) to take on more work but good luck to all the entrepreneurs on this forum that want to build up a big business similar to what Lee has achieved,
Personally I love to read peoples success stories such as James who is starting out, so my message to Lee and any others on here is , keep them coming and for all you haters ……….. you really need to get a life and concentrate on your own success or failures.
Now I wonder how long it will be before the admin lock this thread because Lee's name is mentioned lets face it they always do after a while …. perhaps a tad of jealousy from our very own admin team?
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I understand how some people think Lee comes on here to gloat. I'm doing this and I'm doing that but he does actually help and answer questions too..
He's extremely open in how he's done it that's the difference if he logged on to say hey chaps just pulled in 100k this month how's everyone else doing? .. that's different but he doesn't do that he explains how he markets himself and lots of intricate things that he doesn't need to mention basically reminding us that you can build this business up and not to give up on it.
J I think the admins just lock because they want to keep the peace and as long as stuff doesn't get out of hand they won't lock stuff
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I don’t hate anyone, although I do take the rise.
“A moment of weakness” what does that mean? Perhaps Lee’s followers could enlighten me.
A list of post where he could of helped, just post, help them if you can. People may respect you then.
It’s always about Lee.
He may spend hours on the phone helping people, but offers very little on here apart from his success.
Gloves, brushes, boots, kit and coats, the normal stuff sole traders and probably small companies that affect us are beneath him for discussion.
He’s a successful man that can’t be argued, but always a one sided conversation I would imagine.
Tony
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I don’t hate anyone, although I do take the rise.
“A moment of weakness” what does that mean? Perhaps Lee’s followers could enlighten me.
A list of post where he could of helped, just post, help them if you can. People may respect you then.
It’s always about Lee.
He may spend hours on the phone helping people, but offers very little on here apart from his success.
Gloves, brushes, boots, kit and coats, the normal stuff sole traders and probably small companies that affect us are beneath him for discussion.
He’s a successful man that can’t be argued, but always a one sided conversation I would imagine.
Tony
I think what he means is he shouldn't have got wound up.
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Never met Lee, know very little about him except what I have read on his website but what I have picked up on is that on this site their is a lot of small minded and probably jealous people commenting on him.
I am a newbie so can’t really comment on how he carries himself and whether he is the type who brags about how successful he is etc.
However, this happens in all walks of life and it’s how we as individuals choose to deal with it is what makes us.
I personally don’t give a hoot how much people have got or want, I have my targets and not just monetary and will strive to achieve them.
I am not daft enough to not approach someone who is successful in his business for advise if it is offered.
I am also not daft enough to slate him because one day I just may need him - you know the saying about being nice to people whilst you are climbing the ladder!!!!
Me thinks a lot of people need to grow up, admin please close this thread and let’s get back to talking windows👍😎
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Never met Lee, know very little about him except what I have read on his website but what I have picked up on is that on this site their is a lot of small minded and probably jealous people commenting on him.
I am a newbie so can’t really comment on how he carries himself and whether he is the type who brags about how successful he is etc.
However, this happens in all walks of life and it’s how we as individuals choose to deal with it is what makes us.
I personally don’t give a hoot how much people have got or want, I have my targets and not just monetary and will strive to achieve them.
I am not daft enough to not approach someone who is successful in his business for advise if it is offered.
I am also not daft enough to slate him because one day I just may need him - you know the saying about being nice to people whilst you are climbing the ladder!!!!
Me thinks a lot of people need to grow up, admin please close this thread and let’s get back to talking windows👍😎
well said Ralphie
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Never met Lee, know very little about him except what I have read on his website but what I have picked up on is that on this site their is a lot of small minded and probably jealous people commenting on him.
I am a newbie so can’t really comment on how he carries himself and whether he is the type who brags about how successful he is etc.
However, this happens in all walks of life and it’s how we as individuals choose to deal with it is what makes us.
I personally don’t give a hoot how much people have got or want, I have my targets and not just monetary and will strive to achieve them.
I am not daft enough to not approach someone who is successful in his business for advise if it is offered.
I am also not daft enough to slate him because one day I just may need him - you know the saying about being nice to people whilst you are climbing the ladder!!!!
Me thinks a lot of people need to grow up, admin please close this thread and let’s get back to talking windows👍😎
So, you're a newbie, and thus haven't the experience to judge Lee's character? Yet, you can judge "a lot" of others who are apparently jealous, small minded etc?
You need to decide who and what you are first.
Then, look up the word "narcissist". It's a VERY unattractive and often offensive quality of character. Lee is a narcissist, there's no need for me to rattle on about all that this involves but Lee is only here for himself and not anyone else!
The "hater" card is used by him as a smokescreen, no one on here hates Lee or are jealous of him- more likely annoyed by his narcissism, which belittles some and takes from others to fulfill his own needs.👍
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narcissistic
ADJECTIVE
having or showing an excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance...……….
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if that's what you believe Lee to be, not that we would all agree
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narcissistic
ADJECTIVE
having or showing an excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance...……….
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if that's what you believe Lee to be, not that we would all agree
narcissist
/ˈnɑːsɪsɪst/
noun
a person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves.
"narcissists who think the world revolves around them"
Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration.
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Never met Lee, know very little about him except what I have read on his website but what I have picked up on is that on this site their is a lot of small minded and probably jealous people commenting on him.
I am a newbie so can’t really comment on how he carries himself and whether he is the type who brags about how successful he is etc.
However, this happens in all walks of life and it’s how we as individuals choose to deal with it is what makes us.
I personally don’t give a hoot how much people have got or want, I have my targets and not just monetary and will strive to achieve them.
I am not daft enough to not approach someone who is successful in his business for advise if it is offered.
I am also not daft enough to slate him because one day I just may need him - you know the saying about being nice to people whilst you are climbing the ladder!!!!
Me thinks a lot of people need to grow up, admin please close this thread and let’s get back to talking windows👍😎
Lol you clearly don’t know the man if you want a private discussion with him from what I have Hurd he charges you for the consultation , and I accept time is money but who needs to pay for advice from someone who has sold his house moved back in with his parents , to finance his business , I do not need any help from him or anyone else I have also built up a very successful business nothing on lees scale as I don’t want that but let’s be honest it’s not rocket science is it you start on your own and just keep building you have to be pretty thick if you cannot do that without help , there are very few people who would want a business like lee has but if you do then fill your boots and go for it , no one needs advice from him how to do it it’s just a case of up scaling what you already do , lee won’t ever admit that as he wants to be some kind of god but that’s how it worked I know several people who have similar size business to his and they laugh there socks off at lees posts saying he is just full of it 😂😂😂 . If you want to know the man read his post from the other day and tell me that that is the professional business owner and try and keep a straight face
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Right so this was a helpful thread was it? Ffs if your just gonna brown nose then don’t post at all .
‘Jesus its boring here without me, I almost feel like posting something!’
- meaning look at me , you are nothing without me.
‘Oh I couldnt possibly mention passing the million a year mark, or the experience of deliviering 400,000 leaflets in 1 week. wouldnt want to mention our new website. Cant invite anyone to meet me at the cleaning expo in Sep where I will be doing one of the seminars. Probably shouldnt mention 2 new vans or doing 1.7 million leaflets this year.
Nope, I may have had a few beers tonight but im not talking!’
- meaning look at me! I am the best!
‘ Its a shame when I would like to contribute to....
Jay - getting old.... I can help you Ithink.
James is fed up - I can help you to.
Gomo - pension,
Paul kent - successful employer - I have 14 PAYE, could help there
Cleaner planner
Gocardless
Ect....
I do miss being here, Its nice to help and inspire people.’
- meaning look at me! I have all the answers!! I would help but I’d rather start threads about myself!!
Narcissistic.... possibly
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Wow!
Who knew that this forum was not only window cleaners but psychologists to! Making very insulting mental health diagnosis of someone they have never met.
Gentlemen can we please try to get passed the moving in with parents thing, that was over 3 years ago and was for just 1 month until I got my own house again. I did that to speed up the sale of my house by being the end of the chain so I could get my money out quicker. Anyone that thinks what ive done is easy just because I sold a house and threw in a load of money is a special kind of stupid. You have no idea what it has taken and money is just 1 piece of a big picture. its been very hard work and very difficult from many angles.
I do spend hours on the phone helping people and do not charge anyone for that, They are like minded people that contaact me. Its very hard to help anyone on here because the moment I say anything the usual people are all over it.
I will welcome anyone that wants to talk to me at the show and I will respect anyone on here that wants to insult me to my face.
As I have said before... Dont like me? Stay away then. Problem solved.
For those that do want to achieve more, I welcome converstaions that might help them passed a hurdle. Those people can feel free to call my office anytime or see me at the show.
Visit our site for contact details www.pryors-uk.com I will always make time for like minded people.
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Wow!
Who knew that this forum was not only window cleaners but psychologists to! Making very insulting mental health diagnosis of someone they have never met.
Gentlemen can we please try to get passed the moving in with parents thing, that was over 3 years ago and was for just 1 month until I got my own house again. I did that to speed up the sale of my house by being the end of the chain so I could get my money out quicker. Anyone that thinks what ive done is easy just because I sold a house and threw in a load of money is a special kind of stupid. You have no idea what it has taken and money is just 1 piece of a big picture. its been very hard work and very difficult from many angles.
I do spend hours on the phone helping people and do not charge anyone for that, They are like minded people that contaact me. Its very hard to help anyone on here because the moment I say anything the usual people are all over it.
I will welcome anyone that wants to talk to me at the show and I will respect anyone on here that wants to insult me to my face.
As I have said before... Dont like me? Stay away then. Problem solved.
For those that do want to achieve more, I welcome converstaions that might help them passed a hurdle. Those people can feel free to call my office anytime or see me at the show.
You see here he has just said at the end feel free to contact me he even said call my office that's a big statement. I want to try and be impartial as personally I've enjoyed listening to Lees success
but since when have we heard any big player say feel free to call my office.. ? a true narcissist would only brag and not give anything back at all trust me I have met them in the past. Like I said I can understand how some people take it that way but given the above statement I don't think it's like that.
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Jesus, heavy shoite for window cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!
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Never met Lee, know very little about him except what I have read on his website but what I have picked up on is that on this site their is a lot of small minded and probably jealous people commenting on him.
I am a newbie so can’t really comment on how he carries himself and whether he is the type who brags about how successful he is etc.
However, this happens in all walks of life and it’s how we as individuals choose to deal with it is what makes us.
I personally don’t give a hoot how much people have got or want, I have my targets and not just monetary and will strive to achieve them.
I am not daft enough to not approach someone who is successful in his business for advise if it is offered.
I am also not daft enough to slate him because one day I just may need him - you know the saying about being nice to people whilst you are climbing the ladder!!!!
Me thinks a lot of people need to grow up, admin please close this thread and let’s get back to talking windows👍😎
So, you're a newbie, and thus haven't the experience to judge Lee's character? Yet, you can judge "a lot" of others who are apparently jealous, small minded etc?
You need to decide who and what you are first.
Then, look up the word "narcissist". It's a VERY unattractive and often offensive quality of character. Lee is a narcissist, there's no need for me to rattle on about all that this involves but Lee is only here for himself and not anyone else!
The "hater" card is used by him as a smokescreen, no one on here hates Lee or are jealous of him- more likely annoyed by his narcissism, which belittles some and takes from others to fulfill his own needs.👍
I never said I could not judge Lee’s character, I choose not to have an opinion on his character as he has no influence on me, but he seems to influence you or you would not be so obsessive about him, maybe even jealous I really don’t know or care.
I did not need to look up narcissistic as I am aware of it’s meaning, something a lot of people use on here and would balance that by saying they could be called bullying?
Lee has stated himself that if you do not like what he is about then don’t bother reading about him it’s very simple.
Narcissism is about self promotion/ego and not about belittling others.
I will still sit on the fence, make my judgements as I see fit but keep them too myself, opinions are an individual thing and by keeping them to oneself stops others getting potentially hurt.
I’m here as a newbie to window cleaning not life, I can only judge on what I see, that is both the verbal assaults on a very successful man (grant who may tend to boast about it, but their are things I boast about too) and the petty sniping that any comments that if others don’t agree with makes them allies, I am not.
As a newbie I have joined the clean it up forum to seek advise on a career change I have decided to make and to get by whatever means any advise I can that will assist me.
I will ask and accept advise from narcissists, bullies, jealous people, good people, bad people, and act on the advise I feel pertinent to what I need.
I may comment on others posts to lightheartedly take place in BANTER but can honestly say I will not verbally attack people and only accept that others will reciprocate.
Sometimes we just need to learn to disagree.🏳️👍😎
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It just Window Cleaning, nothing to be proud of no matter how small or big you are.
I am new to this game, but things are going really well so far. I have a new van now on order now , and plan to have another 4 vans on the road within 12 months.
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Lee wrote
I will welcome anyone that wants to talk to me at the show and I will respect anyone on here that wants to insult me to my face.
As I have said before... Dont like me? Stay away then. Problem solved.
Am l reading it wrong but doesn't he say one thing then contradict himself imeadiately🤔🤔
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It just Window Cleaning, nothing to be proud of no matter how small or big you are.
I am new to this game, but things are going really well so far. I have a new van now on order now , and plan to have another 4 vans on the road within 12 months.
Depends on your mind set tho Mike. Yes it's just window cleaning on one hand 😏 On the other hand though, it's running your own business, providing for yourself and possibly a family. It's earning more money per hour / week/ month or even a year compared to a lot of employed work. It's making your business survive come what may as it can be an ever changing market, with customers dying, moving or being fired.
It's a whole lot more than just "cleaning windows" and many don't just clean windows.
So perhaps it should be and can be, something that one's can be proud of, big or small
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cleaning windows is easy .
cleaning windows and getting all the money in , not having messers is not so easy.
you only have to read the threads to see this.
growing is a numbers game . I expect when lee gets x amount of new customers he knows that only x % will be any use.
I enjoy lees posts , and if I am honest , I do have a giggle when he started that thread the other day because I knew that he would get negative comments ...
I don't think he really cares . lol .... he has done very well to achieve what he has ...
I hope he keeps posting, as its far more interesting than talking about brushes etc
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Jesus, heavy shoite for window cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are you again?
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Never met Lee, know very little about him except what I have read on his website but what I have picked up on is that on this site their is a lot of small minded and probably jealous people commenting on him.
I am a newbie so can’t really comment on how he carries himself and whether he is the type who brags about how successful he is etc.
However, this happens in all walks of life and it’s how we as individuals choose to deal with it is what makes us.
I personally don’t give a hoot how much people have got or want, I have my targets and not just monetary and will strive to achieve them.
I am not daft enough to not approach someone who is successful in his business for advise if it is offered.
I am also not daft enough to slate him because one day I just may need him - you know the saying about being nice to people whilst you are climbing the ladder!!!!
Me thinks a lot of people need to grow up, admin please close this thread and let’s get back to talking windows👍😎
Lol you clearly don’t know the man if you want a private discussion with him from what I have Hurd he charges you for the consultation , and I accept time is money but who needs to pay for advice from someone who has sold his house moved back in with his parents , to finance his business , I do not need any help from him or anyone else I have also built up a very successful business nothing on lees scale as I don’t want that but let’s be honest it’s not rocket science is it you start on your own and just keep building you have to be pretty thick if you cannot do that without help , there are very few people who would want a business like lee has but if you do then fill your boots and go for it , no one needs advice from him how to do it it’s just a case of up scaling what you already do , lee won’t ever admit that as he wants to be some kind of god but that’s how it worked I know several people who have similar size business to his and they laugh there socks off at lees posts saying he is just full of it 😂😂😂 . If you want to know the man read his post from the other day and tell me that that is the professional business owner and try and keep a straight face
Guarantee he earns 10 x what you do. ;D
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It just Window Cleaning, nothing to be proud of no matter how small or big you are.
I am new to this game, but things are going really well so far. I have a new van now on order now , and plan to have another 4 vans on the road within 12 months.
Mike, love your enthusiasm but be careful, if you are too successful people may turn - but good luck from me anyway.
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Jesus, heavy shoite for window cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are you again?
I’m the newbie, I wanted to reply to your next but am not so good on technology so answered to this .
If I tell you who I am or where I came from I would be called narcissistic because I am massively proud of my previous career and what I achieved!!!
But (bad use of grammar I know), I will defend to the hilt anyone who is bullied, picked on or abused. A narcissistic picks his future, a person who is bullied, picked on or belittled tends not too, I will defend him.
I have a number of rented properties that fetch a great yield and my wife owns a very successful destination pub/ restaurant, I know business and am happy with our bank balance thank you.
If you choose house purchase as a pension or buy a pub/ restaurant I am more than happy to give you my advise on how we have been so successful, and I won’t gloat once, I also do not require you to massage my ego, but I also won’t tell the world how great I am, but as previously stated, will use my right to have an opinion and state it when I choose.
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Serious question Ralphie,
If you have a property portfolio and your wife had a bar restaurant what made you choose window cleaning as a way forward?
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Serious question Ralphie,
If you have a property portfolio and your wife had a bar restaurant what made you choose window cleaning as a way forward?
;D Dont you just love it
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Jesus, heavy shoite for window cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are you again?
I’m the newbie, I wanted to reply to your next but am not so good on technology so answered to this .
If I tell you who I am or where I came from I would be called narcissistic because I am massively proud of my previous career and what I achieved!!!
But (bad use of grammar I know), I will defend to the hilt anyone who is bullied, picked on or abused. A narcissistic picks his future, a person who is bullied, picked on or belittled tends not too, I will defend him.
I have a number of rented properties that fetch a great yield and my wife owns a very successful destination pub/ restaurant, I know business and am happy with our bank balance thank you.
If you choose house purchase as a pension or buy a pub/ restaurant I am more than happy to give you my advise on how we have been so successful, and I won’t gloat once, I also do not require you to massage my ego, but I also won’t tell the world how great I am, but as previously stated, will use my right to have an opinion and state it when I choose.
Didn’t need your life story, was just a question. But thanks anyway ;)
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That's the sign of real success- when you move up to window cleaning! 👍
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Jesus, heavy shoite for window cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are you again?
I’m the newbie, I wanted to reply to your next but am not so good on technology so answered to this .
If I tell you who I am or where I came from I would be called narcissistic because I am massively proud of my previous career and what I achieved!!!
But (bad use of grammar I know), I will defend to the hilt anyone who is bullied, picked on or abused. A narcissistic picks his future, a person who is bullied, picked on or belittled tends not too, I will defend him.
I have a number of rented properties that fetch a great yield and my wife owns a very successful destination pub/ restaurant, I know business and am happy with our bank balance thank you.
If you choose house purchase as a pension or buy a pub/ restaurant I am more than happy to give you my advise on how we have been so successful, and I won’t gloat once, I also do not require you to massage my ego, but I also won’t tell the world how great I am, but as previously stated, will use my right to have an opinion and state it when I choose.
Window cleaning is a bummers job according to joe public .......welcome to the fold....... ;D
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It just Window Cleaning, nothing to be proud of no matter how small or big you are.
I am new to this game, but things are going really well so far. I have a new van now on order now , and plan to have another 4 vans on the road within 12 months.
Mike, love your enthusiasm but be careful, if you are too successful people may turn - but good luck from me anyway.
Lol, yes I agree. I have seem so many hate posts along with so many, many cringe bragging posts. Why, why go into so much personal and financial details in a pubic place where no one knows you? Small man syndrome, its all about me comes to mind in such cases. I cetainly wont be going into too much detail.
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Nobody wants to see anyone doing TOO well.......its the english way.....if you do we like nothing better than knocking you down a peg or 2.... ;D
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That's the sign of real success- when you move up to window cleaning! 👍
I’ll take that as a compliment, their doesn’t seem to be too many getting given out on this forum!!!!!
😂👍🤪
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You can’t knock Lee for what he’s achieved in the industry.
We are all different and have our own goals and achievements. Just be happy with what you have or what you’re trying to acheive yourself.
Lee - Just a note about your new website... You need to spell and grammar check it.
Andy
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Jesus, heavy shoite for window cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are you again?
I’m the newbie, I wanted to reply to your next but am not so good on technology so answered to this .
If I tell you who I am or where I came from I would be called narcissistic because I am massively proud of my previous career and what I achieved!!!
But (bad use of grammar I know), I will defend to the hilt anyone who is bullied, picked on or abused. A narcissistic picks his future, a person who is bullied, picked on or belittled tends not too, I will defend him.
I have a number of rented properties that fetch a great yield and my wife owns a very successful destination pub/ restaurant, I know business and am happy with our bank balance thank you.
If you choose house purchase as a pension or buy a pub/ restaurant I am more than happy to give you my advise on how we have been so successful, and I won’t gloat once, I also do not require you to massage my ego, but I also won’t tell the world how great I am, but as previously stated, will use my right to have an opinion and state it when I choose.
Ok I may be known to be totally crap at DIY on this forum but I'm ok at numbers and stuff that you mentioned.
Ralphie if you're talking about up north properties with high yields over 10% be honest those can theoretical based on stable income and low maintenance costs. Once you to take away your Finders fee your rent collection repairs boiler repairs roof repairs if any if you have two people in a year moving in moving out that yield drops dramatically..
If you are an experienced landlord you will know yourself it's not about yield it's about the annual net profit. Yield is what estate agents use to tempt inexperience landlords to purchase. There is a reason why yield is theoretically high because it never is quite like that. Cp12 certificates boiler repairs carpet replacements roof repairs evictions solicitor fees all cost the same on a property with a lower yield. But that property makes more profit over the year. Not to mention the punters usually have very little deposit no guarantor and negative rental history is usually sometimes the case on those high yield properties. not saying it doesn't work but no one's daft otherwise there'll never be for sale :D
there's probably a lot of successful people on this forum that also are involved in the property game
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This guy's done it for Christ's sake!
He's built his business, he's put his balls on the table and now employs office staff and window cleaners.
I don't care how he's done it, but he has. OK, he had a lump of money which he invested...but that takes balls!
He could have lost the lot!
That's the facts!
So he likes his ego massaged from time to time...who cares!
So he like to post his achievements and get positive feedback...who cares!
What's important is, he's done it.
Which means other people can do it (if they want).
Which means he's an inspiration for people who want to be where Lee is.
I can only say 'fair play' to him.
Personally I think he's "earned the right" to be a bit moody, throw his toys out the pram, now and again.
I think Lee's posts are ok. They're not entirely relevant to me because I'm happy being a 'one man band'. So some of them I just don't bother reading. (couldn't give a toss).
Personally, I can't understand why people 'knock' him. We're all here to help each other out.
I think Lee has done well for himself, but personally, I think Daz is where it's at!
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People knock him because they’re Modded
There’s no two ways about it. As Robbo says, the guys done it. He hasn’t done it how Trump did it (inherited it). He did it his way. It worked. What more d’you need or want?
Oh, yea, blood; I forgot.
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You lot care way too much about this sort of stuff...
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You lot care way too much about this sort of stuff...
This.
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I don’t know what you lot are on about- who exactly has knocked him or his work ??? Your just reading half a sentence and then making stuff up! He’s done great , no ones denying that ( unless you can point me to the comments that put his business down?) .
It’s the threads he starts like how he could’ve helped people but decided not too which gets to people. Nothing to do with how good or big his business is or how he started it ::)roll
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This guy's done it for Christ's sake!
He's built his business, he's put his balls on the table and now employs office staff and window cleaners.
I don't care how he's done it, but he has. OK, he had a lump of money which he invested...but that takes balls!
He could have lost the lot!
That's the facts!
So he likes his ego massaged from time to time...who cares!
So he like to post his achievements and get positive feedback...who cares!
What's important is, he's done it.
Which means other people can do it (if they want).
Which means he's an inspiration for people who want to be where Lee is.
I can only say 'fair play' to him.
Personally I think he's "earned the right" to be a bit moody, throw his toys out the pram, now and again.
I think Lee's posts are ok. They're not entirely relevant to me because I'm happy being a 'one man band'. So some of them I just don't bother reading. (couldn't give a toss).
Personally, I can't understand why people 'knock' him. We're all here to help each other out.
I think Lee has done well for himself, but personally, I think Daz is where it's at!
Nobody is knocking the guy who got up off his backside and made a go of window cleaning or the guy who employs, its the deluded idiot who thinks he's gods gift to business that we knock, he wouldn't last ten minutes in a business that had real risk, real competition and where the slightest mistake could cost you thousands or even the business.
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To those who are posting negative comments... If you're not interested in what Lee has to say or if he's rubbing you up the wrong way there's one simple solution:
Profile > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List... > Edit Ignore List > Add "Lee Pryor"
Job done!
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To those who are posting negative comments... If you're not interested in what Lee has to say or if he's rubbing you up the wrong way there's one simple solution:
Profile > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List... > Edit Ignore List > Add "Lee Pryor"
Job done!
It only works on posts from Lee himself and not on threads or posts started by others, plus there's still the temptation button which in a way defeats the whole purpose of being able to block/ignore in the first place.
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To those who are posting negative comments... If you're not interested in what Lee has to say or if he's rubbing you up the wrong way there's one simple solution:
Profile > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List... > Edit Ignore List > Add "Lee Pryor"
Job done!
It only works on posts from Lee himself and not on threads or posts started by others, plus there's still the temptation button which in a way defeats the whole purpose of being able to block/ignore in the first place.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1561932141_Untitled.png)
Oh dear! Guess you'll have to resist temptation! ;D
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This guy's done it for Christ's sake!
He's built his business, he's put his balls on the table and now employs office staff and window cleaners.
I don't care how he's done it, but he has. OK, he had a lump of money which he invested...but that takes balls!
He could have lost the lot!
That's the facts!
So he likes his ego massaged from time to time...who cares!
So he like to post his achievements and get positive feedback...who cares!
What's important is, he's done it.
Which means other people can do it (if they want).
Which means he's an inspiration for people who want to be where Lee is.
I can only say 'fair play' to him.
Personally I think he's "earned the right" to be a bit moody, throw his toys out the pram, now and again.
I think Lee's posts are ok. They're not entirely relevant to me because I'm happy being a 'one man band'. So some of them I just don't bother reading. (couldn't give a toss).
Personally, I can't understand why people 'knock' him. We're all here to help each other out.
I think Lee has done well for himself, but personally, I think Daz is where it's at!
Nobody is knocking the guy who got up off his backside and made a go of window cleaning or the guy who employs, its the deluded idiot who thinks he's gods gift to business that we knock, he wouldn't last ten minutes in a business that had real risk, real competition and where the slightest mistake could cost you thousands or even the business.
Then by his choosing to start a business that doesn't "have real risk, real competition etc." - as you put it, then he's made a wise business decision hasn't he?
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Wow!
Who knew that this forum was not only window cleaners but psychologists to! Making very insulting mental health diagnosis of someone they have never met.
Gentlemen can we please try to get passed the moving in with parents thing, that was over 3 years ago and was for just 1 month until I got my own house again. I did that to speed up the sale of my house by being the end of the chain so I could get my money out quicker. Anyone that thinks what ive done is easy just because I sold a house and threw in a load of money is a special kind of stupid. You have no idea what it has taken and money is just 1 piece of a big picture. its been very hard work and very difficult from many angles.
I do spend hours on the phone helping people and do not charge anyone for that, They are like minded people that contaact me. Its very hard to help anyone on here because the moment I say anything the usual people are all over it.
I will welcome anyone that wants to talk to me at the show and I will respect anyone on here that wants to insult me to my face.
As I have said before... Dont like me? Stay away then. Problem solved.
For those that do want to achieve more, I welcome converstaions that might help them passed a hurdle. Those people can feel free to call my office anytime or see me at the show.
Visit our site for contact details www.pryors-uk.com I will always make time for like minded people.
Hey Lee,
I’ve not been active on here for a while and I’ve just spent a short while catching up on all of this hating,
I think you’ve done really well mate. Well done.
Dean
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This guy's done it for Christ's sake!
He's built his business, he's put his balls on the table and now employs office staff and window cleaners.
I don't care how he's done it, but he has. OK, he had a lump of money which he invested...but that takes balls!
He could have lost the lot!
That's the facts!
So he likes his ego massaged from time to time...who cares!
So he like to post his achievements and get positive feedback...who cares!
What's important is, he's done it.
Which means other people can do it (if they want).
Which means he's an inspiration for people who want to be where Lee is.
I can only say 'fair play' to him.
Personally I think he's "earned the right" to be a bit moody, throw his toys out the pram, now and again.
I think Lee's posts are ok. They're not entirely relevant to me because I'm happy being a 'one man band'. So some of them I just don't bother reading. (couldn't give a toss).
Personally, I can't understand why people 'knock' him. We're all here to help each other out.
I think Lee has done well for himself, but personally, I think Daz is where it's at!
Nobody is knocking the guy who got up off his backside and made a go of window cleaning or the guy who employs, its the deluded idiot who thinks he's gods gift to business that we knock, he wouldn't last ten minutes in a business that had real risk, real competition and where the slightest mistake could cost you thousands or even the business.
Then by his choosing to start a business that doesn't "have real risk, real competition etc." - as you put it, then he's made a wise business decision hasn't he?
One wise business decision based on it being an easy option doesn't make you an expert/Guru, like I said its his delusions that we knock, nothing more.
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Wow!
Who knew that this forum was not only window cleaners but psychologists to! Making very insulting mental health diagnosis of someone they have never met.
Gentlemen can we please try to get passed the moving in with parents thing, that was over 3 years ago and was for just 1 month until I got my own house again. I did that to speed up the sale of my house by being the end of the chain so I could get my money out quicker. Anyone that thinks what ive done is easy just because I sold a house and threw in a load of money is a special kind of stupid. You have no idea what it has taken and money is just 1 piece of a big picture. its been very hard work and very difficult from many angles.
I do spend hours on the phone helping people and do not charge anyone for that, They are like minded people that contaact me. Its very hard to help anyone on here because the moment I say anything the usual people are all over it.
I will welcome anyone that wants to talk to me at the show and I will respect anyone on here that wants to insult me to my face.
As I have said before... Dont like me? Stay away then. Problem solved.
For those that do want to achieve more, I welcome converstaions that might help them passed a hurdle. Those people can feel free to call my office anytime or see me at the show.
Visit our site for contact details www.pryors-uk.com I will always make time for like minded people.
Hey Lee,
I’ve not been active on here for a while and I’ve just spent a short while catching up on all of this hating,
I think you’ve done really well mate. Well done.
Dean
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562020450_thTRGGIBAI.jpg)
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One wise business decision based on it being an easy option doesn't make you an expert/Guru, like I said its his delusions that we knock, nothing more.
So what would Mr Pryor have to have done in a business sense for him to gain your approval Ewan?
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One wise business decision based on it being an easy option doesn't make you an expert/Guru, like I said its his delusions that we knock, nothing more.
So what would Mr Pryor have to have done in a business sense for him to gain your approval Ewan?
Firstly the fact that you feel the need to tar me with the reputation of another member must mean my that my actual reputation mustn't be that bad so thanks for the compliment, that said I do suspect that Ewan was just another guy who didn't fall for your lies and BS so not actually that bad either.
As to your question, I suppose he would need to have done something that I haven't or couldn't do myself, one example would be to achieve a one million pound turnover with only 12 guys on the glass in the areas where I work or could work.
He reminds me a bit of the late 8 weekly, he thought he was special because he could get £25 for a large detached property that a beer money shiner said he couldn't get £5 for, how he turned this into a £80k per employee turnover I will never know but his delusions of grandeur got that bad he even believed he could get it anywhere nationwide.
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Where is your area dry clean ?
Darran
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Where is your area dry clean ?
Darran
Not sure he'll tell you that Darran
Its not in his profile
Im north Cheshire based BTW😁
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Where is your area dry clean ?
Darran
Not sure he'll tell you that Darran
Its not in his profile
Im north Cheshire based BTW😁
Exactly, there are some real nutters/ hot heads on this forum, just because they aren't all likely to turn up on your doorstep with a bunch of fives doesn't mean they cant make your life difficult in other ways, Tosh thinks I live in Antrim NI and I'm happy to go along with that. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562063890_grin.gif)
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Nobody would make my life difficult on this forum, im very well thought of👍
Oh forgot, where does Lee live? 😱
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Nobody would make my life difficult on this forum, im very well thought of👍
Oh forgot, where does Lee live? 😱
Don't worry, I always end up taking the heat away from you guys. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562065092_grin.gif)
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Nobody would make my life difficult on this forum, im very well thought of👍
Oh forgot, where does Lee live? 😱
Don't worry, I always end up taking the heat away from you guys. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562065092_grin.gif)
I think you love it, Sean/Ewan😍🤔🙂
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Where is your area dry clean ?
Darran
Not sure he'll tell you that Darran
Its not in his profile
Im north Cheshire based BTW😁
Exactly, there are some real nutters/ hot heads on this forum, just because they aren't all likely to turn up on your doorstep with a bunch of fives doesn't mean they cant make your life difficult in other ways, Tosh thinks I live in Antrim NI and I'm happy to go along with that. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562063890_grin.gif)
Don’t forget that all the admins will know. :)
Your IP address gets logged with every post in the bottom right corner.
Quick google search of the IP and hey presto. Unless of course your wise enough to use a VPN.
I don’t think your at that level of troll status though. ;D
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Wasn't Tosh an Admin in the past?
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I doubt anyone would make your life difficult - I was trying to get a handle on whether or not you could hit a million turnover with 12 guys
I'd have to number crunch on what I currently have - not straightforward as we do so many other services and I e just had a kidney biopsy so stuck lying on me back with just the mobile
Darran
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I e just had a kidney biopsy so stuck lying on me back with just the mobile
Darran
Wow, hope you get some good results there mate👍
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Cheers
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Wow!
Who knew that this forum was not only window cleaners but psychologists to! Making very insulting mental health diagnosis of someone they have never met.
Gentlemen can we please try to get passed the moving in with parents thing, that was over 3 years ago and was for just 1 month until I got my own house again. I did that to speed up the sale of my house by being the end of the chain so I could get my money out quicker. Anyone that thinks what ive done is easy just because I sold a house and threw in a load of money is a special kind of stupid. You have no idea what it has taken and money is just 1 piece of a big picture. its been very hard work and very difficult from many angles.
I do spend hours on the phone helping people and do not charge anyone for that, They are like minded people that contaact me. Its very hard to help anyone on here because the moment I say anything the usual people are all over it.
I will welcome anyone that wants to talk to me at the show and I will respect anyone on here that wants to insult me to my face.
As I have said before... Dont like me? Stay away then. Problem solved.
For those that do want to achieve more, I welcome converstaions that might help them passed a hurdle. Those people can feel free to call my office anytime or see me at the show.
Visit our site for contact details www.pryors-uk.com I will always make time for like minded people.
Hey Lee,
I’ve not been active on here for a while and I’ve just spent a short while catching up on all of this hating,
I think you’ve done really well mate. Well done.
Dean
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562020450_thTRGGIBAI.jpg)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I think you will find purple rhino turn over about 3.5 million with 10 guys , I accept they are doing building cleaning rather than windows but that’s not a bad return
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Turnover is vanity
Profit is sanity
Darran
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Turnover is vanity
Profit is sanity
Darran
Totally agree with you but the profit margins Darren makes I think you will find are very high , 😂😂
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You could be right - however pr is not a window cleaning company
Darran
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One wise business decision based on it being an easy option doesn't make you an expert/Guru, like I said its his delusions that we knock, nothing more.
So what would Mr Pryor have to have done in a business sense for him to gain your approval Ewan?
Firstly the fact that you feel the need to tar me with the reputation of another member must mean my that my actual reputation mustn't be that bad so thanks for the compliment, that said I do suspect that Ewan was just another guy who didn't fall for your lies and BS so not actually that bad either.
But you are Ewan.
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One wise business decision based on it being an easy option doesn't make you an expert/Guru, like I said its his delusions that we knock, nothing more.
So what would Mr Pryor have to have done in a business sense for him to gain your approval Ewan?
Firstly the fact that you feel the need to tar me with the reputation of another member must mean my that my actual reputation mustn't be that bad so thanks for the compliment, that said I do suspect that Ewan was just another guy who didn't fall for your lies and BS so not actually that bad either.
But you are Ewan.
Yawn,
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Turnover is vanity
Profit is sanity
Darran
Definitely in fact he himself has never said how much money is actually making. And mentions he pays himself a normal salary probably up to the higher End threshold which is 50000 a year. Obviously he will pay himself more sometimes if you needs to and can which is the option.
The turnover is just one side meaning hes in demand it's all about profit
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Turnover is vanity
Profit is sanity
Darran
Boom.
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I would like to say a big thanks to Lee for doing a talk at this year show
20 min Talk - 10 min Q &A
Pryor’s Window Cleaning was started by Lee Pryor after being made redundant for the second time in 2 years. The business was literally started with a bucket, ladder, £99 roof rack from Halfords and a Honda Civic his Nan very kindly gave him for free. Lee went out day after day knocking on doors and delivering homemade leaflets offering his service
http://www.cleaningexpouk.co.uk/seminars
Pryor. Not Pyror. ::)roll ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562135873_30007730-3620-4285-A8EE-1CCFD668C677.jpeg)Oh Lordy! Lee cleans widows according to his website. Guess that’s a dying trade.
Mind you I quite fancy that Scottish Widow that floats around on the advert in the black cape.
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I doubt anyone would make your life difficult - I was trying to get a handle on whether or not you could hit a million turnover with 12 guys
I'd have to number crunch on what I currently have - not straightforward as we do so many other services and I e just had a kidney biopsy so stuck lying on me back with just the mobile
Darran
I dont see why you need to number crunch, to hit the one million mark with twelve guys they would each need to be knocking out over £80k a year, that would mean I would need to working in an area where I could knock out £90k or more on my own, how many nationwide would get close to that ?
The bigger question would be in an area where you could make £90k a year cleaning windows on your own what would it take in employee wages to keep them onboard ? I suspect that this would be the main reason why a lot of the guys in these sort of areas tend to go down the franchise route.
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I would need to number crunch - because Lee's figures are predominantly window cleaning - glass licking is now only 60% of what we do - other cleaning ( just like purple Rhino ) has far more earning per hour and per man
I would need to sit down and find several days for windows only and see what the turnover is then scale it up - looking at Lee's set prices we are similar but overall slightly lower on the smaller to mid size properties but more on larger stuff - also we are more rural, however Norwich is in easy reach which would provide higher yield once one got groups of compact work
in relation to Lee's set prices would you hit a million or not with 12 guys ? - generally are your prices higher or lower ?
I think its a fair point for debate ...
Darran
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It’s worth pointing out that 12 guys employed would amount to a total of at least 60 weeks paid holiday for the staff. Which in turn amounts to 1 of those guys always being off the tools with pay. Which means that 12 guys is only like having 11 guys working but you pay for 12. Which is a bit of a scary way of looking at it. That’s why I’m out of that game, because it only gets worse. Pensions, bad payers, bad staff, genuine illness, vehicle repair costs etc.
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It’s worth pointing out that 12 guys employed would amount to a total of at least 60 weeks paid holiday for the staff. Which in turn amounts to 1 of those guys always being off the tools with pay. Which means that 12 guys is only like having 11 guys working but you pay for 12. Which is a bit of a scary way of looking at it. That’s why I’m out of that game, because it only gets worse. Pensions, bad payers, bad staff, genuine illness, vehicle repair costs etc.
That's a good point, it also means that each employee then has to knock out over £90k worth of work for a one million turnover.
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I would need to number crunch - because Lee's figures are predominantly window cleaning - glass licking is now only 60% of what we do - other cleaning ( just like purple Rhino ) has far more earning per hour and per man
I would need to sit down and find several days for windows only and see what the turnover is then scale it up - looking at Lee's set prices we are similar but overall slightly lower on the smaller to mid size properties but more on larger stuff - also we are more rural, however Norwich is in easy reach which would provide higher yield once one got groups of compact work
in relation to Lee's set prices would you hit a million or not with 12 guys ? - generally are your prices higher or lower ?
I think its a fair point for debate ...
Darran
No my prices must be lower but the biggest factor for me would be with the area being saturated I spend a lot more time than I would like to setting/packing up and traveling between jobs.
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So you would need what 14 guys ? As you grow you would get more compact work but base it on what you can currently achieve
Not sure they now need to do 90k turnover is the over the only adjustment on 80k would be the weekly target
Dean ; how long you been at jv price
Darran
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Dean ; how long you been at jv price
2.5 years as an employee but I’ve been involved with the company for around 10 years mate.
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So you would need what 14 guys ? As you grow you would get more compact work but base it on what you can currently achieve
Not sure they now need to do 90k turnover is the over the only adjustment on 80k would be the weekly target
Dean ; how long you been at jv price
Darran
Seriously do you actually think that the majority of shiners are on anywhere near that sort of money/turnover ? Dazmond never stops bragging because he's on around £40k, what does that tell you ?
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As he points out on a regular basis he's part time - starts late finishes early - in theory he just has to times his a stage hourly rate by 7.5 x 5 X 48 = potential yearly turnover - I don't see a problem with this because that's what you need to do if you have an employee - are you saying Lee is t getting a million turnover with 12 staff on the tools ? I've sort of lost the point of this conversation - sorry
Darran
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Dean - I always thought you were more up north - JV price are Watford based or have I got this hopelessly wrong ?
Darran
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So you would need what 14 guys ? As you grow you would get more compact work but base it on what you can currently achieve
Not sure they now need to do 90k turnover is the over the only adjustment on 80k would be the weekly target
Dean ; how long you been at jv price
Darran
Seriously do you actually think that the majority of shiners are on anywhere near that sort of money/turnover ? Dazmond never stops bragging because he's on around £40k, what does that tell you ?
its actually around £45k a year turnover sean,soon to be around £50k (within a few years) with a few price rises.....i only work 20-25 hours a week though so realistically you could probably earn £80k a year if you worked full time hours....but whos got the stomach for 40 hour weeks window cleaning?i certainly havent (not at 47 years of age).....
i dont know any window cleaners that do......most of the window cleaners i know are part time these days.....
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Dean - I always thought you were more up north - JV price are Watford based or have I got this hopelessly wrong ?
Darran
No you’re right Darran. Our HQ is based in Watford but we bought a company in Birmingham a few years ago that has now been rebranded as JVP. I’m based in Stoke but operate from Birmingham upwards.
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Dean - I always thought you were more up north - JV price are Watford based or have I got this hopelessly wrong ?
Darran
No you’re right Darran. Our HQ is based in Watford but we bought a company in Birmingham a few years ago that has now been rebranded as JVP. I’m based in Stoke but operate from Birmingham upwards.
Who did they buy, Roger Needle has 8 vans on the road and wanted 2 million. Haven’t heard if he’s sold
Tony
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As he points out on a regular basis he's part time - starts late finishes early - in theory he just has to times his a stage hourly rate by 7.5 x 5 X 48 = potential yearly turnover - I don't see a problem with this because that's what you need to do if you have an employee - are you saying Lee is t getting a million turnover with 12 staff on the tools ? I've sort of lost the point of this conversation - sorry
Darran
Off course he does and yet at the same time he still needs to work in all sorts of weather, him and NK could have come out of the same egg, lol, no I'm not saying that Lee isn't getting a one million turnover with 12 guys, sort of lost the point myself.
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As he points out on a regular basis he's part time - starts late finishes early - in theory he just has to times his a stage hourly rate by 7.5 x 5 X 48 = potential yearly turnover - I don't see a problem with this because that's what you need to do if you have an employee - are you saying Lee is t getting a million turnover with 12 staff on the tools ? I've sort of lost the point of this conversation - sorry
Darran
Off course he does and yet at the same time he still needs to work in all sorts of weather, him and NK could have come out of the same egg, lol, no I'm not saying that Lee isn't getting a one million turnover with 12 guys, sort of lost the point myself.
i dont need to work in any bad weather sean........i choose to so i can keep on schedule and have the days off I WANT off(eg not working weekends,early finishes friday and monday)......i like routine and very little disruption to my normal workload
errrr.............me and nathan are worlds apart in so many ways...... :-*
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Dean - I always thought you were more up north - JV price are Watford based or have I got this hopelessly wrong ?
Darran
No you’re right Darran. Our HQ is based in Watford but we bought a company in Birmingham a few years ago that has now been rebranded as JVP. I’m based in Stoke but operate from Birmingham upwards.
Who did they buy, Roger Needle has 8 vans on the road and wanted 2 million. Haven’t heard if he’s sold
Tony
Hi Tony,
A company in Stirchley called PWC. £2 million seems a bit of a high price lol.
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As he points out on a regular basis he's part time - starts late finishes early - in theory he just has to times his a stage hourly rate by 7.5 x 5 X 48 = potential yearly turnover - I don't see a problem with this because that's what you need to do if you have an employee - are you saying Lee is t getting a million turnover with 12 staff on the tools ? I've sort of lost the point of this conversation - sorry
Darran
Off course he does and yet at the same time he still needs to work in all sorts of weather, him and NK could have come out of the same egg, lol, no I'm not saying that Lee isn't getting a one million turnover with 12 guys, sort of lost the point myself.
i dont need to work in any bad weather sean........i choose to so i can keep on schedule and have the days off I WANT off(eg not working weekends,early finishes friday and monday)......i like routine and very little disruption to my normal workload
errrr.............me and nathan are worlds apart in so many ways...... :-*
Sorry Dazmond but just like Nathan your posts have more holes in them than a Swiss cheese, for a start why would a guy at 47 who claims to be focused and driven turn his back on £40k plus a year for the sake of doing another 10 to 15 hours which would then bring your total hours to between 35 and 39 a week ? plus when did you dump all this work you where doing when critising me and others for doing part times hours ?
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As he points out on a regular basis he's part time - starts late finishes early - in theory he just has to times his a stage hourly rate by 7.5 x 5 X 48 = potential yearly turnover - I don't see a problem with this because that's what you need to do if you have an employee - are you saying Lee is t getting a million turnover with 12 staff on the tools ? I've sort of lost the point of this conversation - sorry
Darran
Off course he does and yet at the same time he still needs to work in all sorts of weather, him and NK could have come out of the same egg, lol, no I'm not saying that Lee isn't getting a one million turnover with 12 guys, sort of lost the point myself.
i dont need to work in any bad weather sean........i choose to so i can keep on schedule and have the days off I WANT off(eg not working weekends,early finishes friday and monday)......i like routine and very little disruption to my normal workload
errrr.............me and nathan are worlds apart in so many ways...... :-*
Sorry Dazmond but just like Nathan your posts have more holes in them than a Swiss cheese, for start why would a guy at 47 who claims to be focused and driven turn his back on £40k plus a year for the sake of doing another 10 to 15 hours bring your total hours to between 35 and 39 a week ? plus when did you dump all this work you where doing when critising me and others for doing part times hours ?
money is not everything sean.....im happy with my income and workload......my work/life balance is great......i couldnt stomach any more working hours window cleaning TBH mate....not after 26 years of it.....
ive not dumped lots of work(i have got rid of some but not loads),ive just compacted and condensed my work even more and become more efficient when working.....
once i reached a certain level of income i became comfortable financially so took my foot of the gas,now im just happy plodding along refining a bit here and there.......
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
i could probably get to 60k-65k if i put more effort and hours in but honestly sean im not arsed.....i like an easy life and im happy and contented with my lot......... :)
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
Why is money everything?
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
Why is money everything?
Would you do it for nothing ?
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
😂 😂 Just to add my two peneths worth in, Sean if you want to be a money focused machine then that's fine and your business n right to do so.
Yet, it isn't the main drive for every body. So give it a rest, as this thread has gone way of topic with trying to number crunch something which isn't in your league to do anyway, so why waste the energy discussing it.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
Why is money everything?
Would you do it for nothing ?
Of course not but I certainly dont do it just for money.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
😂 😂 Just to add my two peneths worth in, Sean if you want to be a money focused machine then that's fine and your business n right to do so.
Yet, it isn't the main drive for every body. So give it a rest, as this thread has gone way of topic with trying to number crunch something which isn't in your league to do anyway, so why waste the energy discussing it.
Nathan what's your address ? will send you this sticker to put on your forehead.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562269664_thP2LCE8LP.jpg)
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
Why is money everything?
Would you do it for nothing ?
Of course not but I certainly dont do it just for money.
No that's just like ugly people saying that beauty is on the inside or fat people saying they are happy with their shape, sorry but I'm not buying it. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562270458_grin.gif)
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
Why is money everything?
Would you do it for nothing ?
Of course not but I certainly dont do it just for money.
No that's just like ugly people saying that beauty is on the inside or fat people saying they are happy with their shape, sorry but I'm not buying it. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562270458_grin.gif)
No worries
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Dean - Good on ya !
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This is a good thread.
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this is not about what you want to do its about having staff and what they can turnover for you (. this is different from profit )
Lee is defo in a better place then me if I were simply to do windows I would need 14 guys on the glass to break the 1 million turnover mark.
on my current business model a mix of windows and pressure washing I could hit a million with 8 guys ( this assumes the 1 off work rolls in at the same rate as this year )
this is the point of employing staff will and do work 40 hrs on the tools ( well mine do 30 or 35 hr weeks ) I personally don't work on the tools - not because I don't want to - health prevents its :-[
By the way I will be at the show
Darran
Darran
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Looking forward to meeting you Darren
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likewise - your paying for the first beer ;D
Darran
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this is not about what you want to do its about having staff and what they can turnover for you (. this is different from profit )
Lee is defo in a better place then me if I were simply to do windows I would need 14 guys on the glass to break the 1 million turnover mark.
on my current business model a mix of windows and pressure washing I could hit a million with 8 guys ( this assumes the 1 off work rolls in at the same rate as this year )
this is the point of employing staff will and do work 40 hrs on the tools ( well mine do 30 or 35 hr weeks ) I personally don't work on the tools - not because I don't want to - health prevents its :-[
By the way I will be at the show
Darran
Darran
So what profit would you have from that one million ? the point I made earlier which you ignored is if you work in an area where one man can do £85k to £95k a year worth of work how much is it going to cost you in wages to keep him from going out on his own.
Back before Lee had his I'm leaving hissy fit I worked out that because of his reckless spending on advertising and other costs it would take years for him to break even, he couldnt dispute it with anything other than his usual hater reply, that said his guys where only doing £65k a year at that time so I suspect their £20k jump had something to do with my post. lol
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lol gold.
Truth is we make no money just as you say, Thats why Im on the dole. hmmmmmm?
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lol gold.
Truth is we make no money just as you say, Thats why Im on the dole. hmmmmmm?
I'd imagine you'll be entitled to quite a tidy sum in tax credits to keep you going for a while !! ;D
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Lee,
Genuine question - are you concerned by negative reviews on google?
It’s inevitable when cleaning so many houses that you’ll get them, but my concern would be when you have a lot of negative reviews, people may go else where and business would slow?
Clearly that hasn’t happened yet, but I noticed in my area the biggest company got lots of negative reviews and have recently sold the business as it started to implode.
Defo worth keeping an eye on, as more and more people are relying on reviews through google.
Having said that, I suppose you are able to bring in so much work elsewhere, that it’s doesn’t really matter - for the time being...
Hope your enjoying the m4 mate, we hired a 2 series convertible in Majorca a couple of weeks back, and I gotta say, even that was nice! Made me start looking around at BMW’s!
Take it easy mate.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
this statement is nonsense. like Daz , I have been doing this job for 27 years. I work 24 to 30 hours a week. I am very happy content and comfortable. I am still slowly improving my income by pricing higher on new work.
I have my daughter helping me during those hours and she is happy too.
my partner also has a good job so we are comfortable.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
this statement is nonsense. like Daz , I have been doing this job for 27 years. I work 24 to 30 hours a week. I am very happy content and comfortable. I am still slowly improving my income by pricing higher on new work.
I have my daughter helping me during those hours and she is happy too.
my partner also has a good job so we are comfortable.
I take it you're not doing £500 a day then ? don't be deluded, sitting at home when there's £500 to be had for 7 to 8 hours on the glass might not temp you but most people wouldn't think twice especially if still only means a 39 hour week which is an average working week.
To be fair James my post is more a poke at Dazmond so don't take it too seriously, not joking for him to be where he claims to be now he would have needed to up his prices at least once a week and have dumped about 300 or more customers since getting his hot system. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562311656_grin.gif)
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
this statement is nonsense. like Daz , I have been doing this job for 27 years. I work 24 to 30 hours a week. I am very happy content and comfortable. I am still slowly improving my income by pricing higher on new work.
I have my daughter helping me during those hours and she is happy too.
my partner also has a good job so we are comfortable.
likewise.....once you reach a certain level of income where you can easily pay your bills/outgoings,save some and afford to go on a few nice holidays a year,decent van and equipment,nice car to drive when your not working then you dont need anymore money....
the extra hours spent working are not worth it once you reach a comfortable level of income IMO.....
sean if you offered me £500 to work a full day window cleaning tomorrow id decline....seriously!i value my time off (more than money)...
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I wouldn’t, I’d work it then take the next day off!!!
Work smarter Dazmond - remember?
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
this statement is nonsense. like Daz , I have been doing this job for 27 years. I work 24 to 30 hours a week. I am very happy content and comfortable. I am still slowly improving my income by pricing higher on new work.
I have my daughter helping me during those hours and she is happy too.
my partner also has a good job so we are comfortable.
likewise.....once you reach a certain level of income where you can easily pay your bills/outgoings,save some and afford to go on a few nice holidays a year,decent van and equipment,nice car to drive when your not working then you dont need anymore money....
the extra hours spent working are not worth it once you reach a comfortable level of income IMO.....
sean if you offered me £500 to work a full day window cleaning tomorrow id decline....seriously!i value my time off (more than money)...
Don't talk nonsense, you have said on here many times that you do add on jobs if the price is right, would these not eat into your valuable time ? Dazmond bit of advice, to be a good BS'er you need a good memory. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562312351_grin.gif)
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I wouldn’t, I’d work it then take the next day off!!
after today i will have worked around 24 hours this week mon-fri Dave......thats enough.....im lazy these days and no interest in working longer hours.....
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I wouldn’t, I’d work it then take the next day off!!
The joke is that's how most self employed guys or even employed would look at it, make money/work while you can so that one day you wont have to, the problem is because of need and greed that day when you don't have to never seems to arrive.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
this statement is nonsense. like Daz , I have been doing this job for 27 years. I work 24 to 30 hours a week. I am very happy content and comfortable. I am still slowly improving my income by pricing higher on new work.
I have my daughter helping me during those hours and she is happy too.
my partner also has a good job so we are comfortable.
likewise.....once you reach a certain level of income where you can easily pay your bills/outgoings,save some and afford to go on a few nice holidays a year,decent van and equipment,nice car to drive when your not working then you dont need anymore money....
the extra hours spent working are not worth it once you reach a comfortable level of income IMO.....
sean if you offered me £500 to work a full day window cleaning tomorrow id decline....seriously!i value my time off (more than money)...
Don't talk nonsense, you have said on here many times that you do add on jobs if the price is right, would these not eat into your valuable time ? Dazmond bit of advice, to be a good BS'er you need a good memory. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562312351_grin.gif)
i dont do many add ons these days sean,most customers wont accept the price even though i dont consider myself to be mega expensive.....if i do i usually fit them in on my window cleaning days.....
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
this statement is nonsense. like Daz , I have been doing this job for 27 years. I work 24 to 30 hours a week. I am very happy content and comfortable. I am still slowly improving my income by pricing higher on new work.
I have my daughter helping me during those hours and she is happy too.
my partner also has a good job so we are comfortable.
likewise.....once you reach a certain level of income where you can easily pay your bills/outgoings,save some and afford to go on a few nice holidays a year,decent van and equipment,nice car to drive when your not working then you dont need anymore money....
the extra hours spent working are not worth it once you reach a comfortable level of income IMO.....
sean if you offered me £500 to work a full day window cleaning tomorrow id decline....seriously!i value my time off (more than money)...
Don't talk nonsense, you have said on here many times that you do add on jobs if the price is right, would these not eat into your valuable time ? Dazmond bit of advice, to be a good BS'er you need a good memory. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562312351_grin.gif)
i dont do many add ons these days sean,most customers wont accept the price even though i dont consider myself to be mega expensive.....if i do i usually fit them in on my window cleaning days.....
But you would still do them if the customers would accept your price, do you see where I'm going with this.
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I wouldn’t, I’d work it then take the next day off!!
after today i will have worked around 24 hours this week mon-fri Dave......thats enough.....im lazy these days and no interest in working longer hours.....
Mate I really don’t understand that way of working. I know a few others who do the same kind of thing as you though. I’m 32 this year so still (relatively ) young, but I’m Monday to Friday 8-5 ish, I always have weekends off though. If I was you, and doing say 24 hours a week, why not fit that into 3 full working days, and take two full Days off a week?
A 4 day weekend, and still a great income. Rather than spreading your work out through the whole week.
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I wouldn’t, I’d work it then take the next day off!!
after today i will have worked around 24 hours this week mon-fri Dave......thats enough.....im lazy these days and no interest in working longer hours.....
Mate I really don’t understand that way of working. I know a few others who do the same kind you. I’m 32 this year so still (relatively ) young, but I’m Monday to Friday 8-5 ish, I always have weekends off though. If I was you, and doing say 24 hours a week, why not fit that into 3 full working days, and take two full Days off a week?
A 5 day weekend, and still a great income. Rather than spreading your work out through the whole week.
Jonny take it with a pinch of salt, when I was doing part time hours it was because I couldn't stand to go out and clean, hated the job, Dazmond has made it very clear on here that he loves window cleaning, I would say he's is doing the same hours he has always done its just a better brag to say you make x doing part time work.
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Thing is, this forum has more pork pies flying around than a food fight in a Sainsburys pie isle.
Dazmond only counts hours on the glass. His earnings climb every post and yet in real terms he hasn’t had a pay rise in a number of years - the last one was for customers to pay for the van and hot system. Cleaners local to me ‘live the lifestyle’ mostly because they are crap and don’t have enough work.
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Lee,
Genuine question - are you concerned by negative reviews on google?
It’s inevitable when cleaning so many houses that you’ll get them, but my concern would be when you have a lot of negative reviews, people may go else where and business would slow?
Clearly that hasn’t happened yet, but I noticed in my area the biggest company got lots of negative reviews and have recently sold the business as it started to implode.
Defo worth keeping an eye on, as more and more people are relying on reviews through google.
Having said that, I suppose you are able to bring in so much work elsewhere, that it’s doesn’t really matter - for the time being...
Hope your enjoying the m4 mate, we hired a 2 series convertible in Majorca a couple of weeks back, and I gotta say, even that was nice! Made me start looking around at BMW’s!
Take it easy mate.
I have answered this a few times, but fair question.
We actually dont have loads and loads of bad reviews, its a handful from messers and time wasters that messed us around and we stood up to them so that's what they then go and do.
I call it the trip advisor effect. You go to the most amazing hotel and have a great time but theres always someone on trip advisor giving a terrible review. Come on people we all deal with the public here we should all know how that can be.
Look at it this way, We are doing 50,000 cleans a year for a customer base of 6000 homes. We are the largest non franchised residential window cleaners in the south. A few d..k heads that tried not to pay, or turned us away at a door or screamed and shouted down the phone to us wont worry me. Most people with a brain can read between lines and realise theres always another side. I mean for god sake all were doing is cleaning peoples windows for a trivial amount of money and if they are not happy we re do it free. What more can you do?
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
I agree with most of your posts but not on this one.
I know i could earn awfully close to 85k for a full week 8 hours a day.
But that does not motivate me enough to do it, i only manage 20 - 25 hours because i just cant stomach cleaning windows any longer. Im bored to tears by early afternoon and no carrot of 85k a year dangled under my nose would keep me out much longer.
Money is a poor motivator for a lot of people especially if you are miserable earning it.
Besides when you see what you lose in tax on 85k it makes it sickening.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
I agree with most of your posts but not on this one.
I know i could earn awfully close to 85k for a full week 8 hours a day.
But that does not motivate me enough to do it, i only manage 20 - 25 hours because i just cant stomach cleaning windows any longer. Im bored to tears by early afternoon and no carrot of 85k a year dangled under my nose would keep me out much longer.
Money is a poor motivator for a lot of people especially if you are miserable earning it.
Besides when you see what you lose in tax on 85k it makes it sickening.
Window cleaners don’t pay tax ;D
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There are a few reasons that we are all Window cleaners
We're not qualified for anything else.
You can earn a really good hourly rate (if you do it right)
Or maybe, it fits our lifestyle.
Ive had two spells as a WC
The first for 7 years when I couldn't wait to pack it in and the last 20 years when I've worked out how to almost enjoy the job (heaphones on, working methodically in some really nice parts of Cheshire)
Also as im a 62 year old on the wind down, I (to use a football expression) let the ball do the work.
There are worse jobs than the we do😁
I voluntarily left a good job in ICI to do this job in 1999 and have never ever regretted it and would do the same again in an instant.
Also i never would have left a good job like that if i hadn't seen the potential in window cleaning.
Oh and I presently do about 12 hours a week on the glass, (the other 156 hours in a week I do as I please) without using ladders.
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When it comes to window cleaning money is everything Dazmond, and there's not a guy on here including yourself who wouldn't do a 39 hour week if they could get £85k plus a year for doing it.
I agree with most of your posts but not on this one.
I know i could earn awfully close to 85k for a full week 8 hours a day.
But that does not motivate me enough to do it, i only manage 20 - 25 hours because i just cant stomach cleaning windows any longer. Im bored to tears by early afternoon and no carrot of 85k a year dangled under my nose would keep me out much longer.
Money is a poor motivator for a lot of people especially if you are miserable earning it.
Besides when you see what you lose in tax on 85k it makes it sickening.
For me, the effort to get that amount of well paying work to fill 8 hours a day puts me off.
I’d work 8 hours a day if I could earn £500 a day, but I think it would take a lot longer than people think for a one man band to build that kind of round up.
I’m usually home by 12-1pm and start at 8am. That’s enough for me!
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Yep, cleaning glass day in day out really sucks! However, you get to meet people of all walks of life and if your fortunate, you also get some cracking views (rural areas and not topless bathers in the back garden 😂).
Most repetitive jobs are tedious, but which ones can pay as good as our jobs, if priced properly? Simply there isn't any and that's why you put your big boy pants on and suck it up and go to work! There's a whole lot worse jobs and situations ones can be in, but being self employed means you can operate your business to work for you. If like Sean it's to simply make money and be as miserable as sin and have to come on here to constantly pick fault whilst sucking on lemons, then that's what you can do 😯👍
However, others choose to be balanced and make good money whilst enjoying not slaving away for the system.
Gomo, if your bored on the glass, break it up with some very nicely priced add on jobs like pressure washing. Breaks it up nicely and the vast majority pay you when the job is complete, so that's a lump some of money, in one go, straight to your account. Then have the rest of the day off if need be, but it does break it up nicely and can be quite enjoyable to see such a dramatic difference in the results
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About time somebody gave Nathan a compliment
Nice post NK
There you go, it's easy to be nice when you try😁
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About time somebody gave Nathan a compliment
Nice post NK
There you go, it's easy to be nice when you try😁
Cheers, though I dare say, the back lash will come pretty soon
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About time somebody gave Nathan a compliment
Nice post NK
There you go, it's easy to be nice when you try😁
Cheers, though I dare say, the back lash will come pretty soon
Nah it was genuinely a nice post
No sarcasm involved 👍
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Yep, cleaning glass day in day out really sucks! However, you get to meet people of all walks of life and if your fortunate, you also get some cracking views (rural areas and not topless bathers in the back garden 😂).
Most repetitive jobs are tedious, but which ones can pay as good as our jobs, if priced properly? Simply there isn't any and that's why you put your big boy pants on and suck it up and go to work! There's a whole lot worse jobs and situations ones can be in, but being self employed means you can operate your business to work for you. If like Sean it's to simply make money and be as miserable as sin and have to come on here to constantly pick fault whilst sucking on lemons, then that's what you can do 😯👍
However, others choose to be balanced and make good money whilst enjoying not slaving away for the system.
Gomo, if your bored on the glass, break it up with some very nicely priced add on jobs like pressure washing. Breaks it up nicely and the vast majority pay you when the job is complete, so that's a lump some of money, in one go, straight to your account. Then have the rest of the day off if need be, but it does break it up nicely and can be quite enjoyable to see such a dramatic difference in the results
No waffle! Did you bump your head this morning Nathan? 😜
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Wow, these Lee Pryor threads won't be continually getting locked if we go on like this😱
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Spoke too soon,
The sarcasm returns instantly😱😱😱😱
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Yep, cleaning glass day in day out really sucks! However, you get to meet people of all walks of life and if your fortunate, you also get some cracking views (rural areas and not topless bathers in the back garden 😂).
Most repetitive jobs are tedious, but which ones can pay as good as our jobs, if priced properly? Simply there isn't any and that's why you put your big boy pants on and suck it up and go to work! There's a whole lot worse jobs and situations ones can be in, but being self employed means you can operate your business to work for you. If like Sean it's to simply make money and be as miserable as sin and have to come on here to constantly pick fault whilst sucking on lemons, then that's what you can do 😯👍
However, others choose to be balanced and make good money whilst enjoying not slaving away for the system.
Gomo, if your bored on the glass, break it up with some very nicely priced add on jobs like pressure washing. Breaks it up nicely and the vast majority pay you when the job is complete, so that's a lump some of money, in one go, straight to your account. Then have the rest of the day off if need be, but it does break it up nicely and can be quite enjoyable to see such a dramatic difference in the results
No waffle! Did you bump your head this morning Nathan? 😜
He had a bit of bother with a wasp. lol
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1562332296_thF33T06M8.jpg)
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About time somebody gave Nathan a compliment
Nice post NK
There you go, it's easy to be nice when you try😁
Cheers, though I dare say, the back lash will come pretty soon
Nah it was genuinely a nice post
No sarcasm involved 👍
It wasn't nice about me, if I didn't know better Id think he didn't like me, that said the majority of his post was good so he gets a like.
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About time somebody gave Nathan a compliment
Nice post NK
There you go, it's easy to be nice when you try😁
Cheers, though I dare say, the back lash will come pretty soon
Nah it was genuinely a nice post
No sarcasm involved 👍
It wasn't nice about me, if I didn't know better Id think he didn't like me, that said the majority of his post was good so he gets a like.
WHAT!!!!!!!!
A like from Ewan
What's the world coming to🤔
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A question for Lee Pryor.
Do you employ all of your window cleaners - as in paye, payslip, holiday pay, pension etc? Or is there an element of sub contracting?
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A question for Lee Pryor.
Do you employ all of your window cleaners - as in paye, payslip, holiday pay, pension etc? Or is there an element of sub contracting?
All my team 12 cleaners and 2 office staff are PAYE employed, contracted, payslip, 28 days paid holiday pension, sick pay ect. This info is publicly stated on the "about us" page of our new website. www.pryors-uk.com
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A question for Lee Pryor.
Do you employ all of your window cleaners - as in paye, payslip, holiday pay, pension etc? Or is there an element of sub contracting?
I love the way you did that Gold, getting the thread back on track😁😁😁😁
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Thing is, this forum has more pork pies flying around than a food fight in a Sainsburys pie isle.
Dazmond only counts hours on the glass. His earnings climb every post and yet in real terms he hasn’t had a pay rise in a number of years - the last one was for customers to pay for the van and hot system. Cleaners local to me ‘live the lifestyle’ mostly because they are crap and don’t have enough work.
i can still afford to go on luxury holidays (and take the missus!) a few times a year,buy a decent hot water system/ van etc and drive about in a nice golf GTD......oh and im getting a new drum kit delivered next week that i paid over £1200 for in january.........
HAPPY DAYS INDEED! 8) :D :D
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I wouldn’t, I’d work it then take the next day off!!
after today i will have worked around 24 hours this week mon-fri Dave......thats enough.....im lazy these days and no interest in working longer hours.....
Mate I really don’t understand that way of working. I know a few others who do the same kind of thing as you though. I’m 32 this year so still (relatively ) young, but I’m Monday to Friday 8-5 ish, I always have weekends off though. If I was you, and doing say 24 hours a week, why not fit that into 3 full working days, and take two full Days off a week?
A 5 day weekend, and still a great income. Rather than spreading your work out through the whole week.
I prefer spreading my work out into shorter days mate,got no desire to work longer than 5-6 hours a day......you may feel the same in 15 years time! ;) ;D
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not being picky Daz - but most of what you state there is on HP/Lease
Darran
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not being picky Daz - but most of what you state there is on HP/Lease
Darran
hot water system is paid for,holidays paid for,drum kit is paid for.......car on lease yes,i just get a new one every 3 years now,van on lease but ill pay the balloon at the end of the 5 years and keep it... :)
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this is not about what you want to do its about having staff and what they can turnover for you (. this is different from profit )
Lee is defo in a better place then me if I were simply to do windows I would need 14 guys on the glass to break the 1 million turnover mark.
on my current business model a mix of windows and pressure washing I could hit a million with 8 guys ( this assumes the 1 off work rolls in at the same rate as this year )
this is the point of employing staff will and do work 40 hrs on the tools ( well mine do 30 or 35 hr weeks ) I personally don't work on the tools - not because I don't want to - health prevents its :-[
By the way I will be at the show
Darran
Darran
So what profit would you have from that one million ? the point I made earlier which you ignored is if you work in an area where one man can do £85k to £95k a year worth of work how much is it going to cost you in wages to keep him from going out on his own.
Back before Lee had his I'm leaving hissy fit I worked out that because of his reckless spending on advertising and other costs it would take years for him to break even, he couldnt dispute it with anything other than his usual hater reply, that said his guys where only doing £65k a year at that time so I suspect their £20k jump had something to do with my post. lol
TBH - I'm not prepared to comment on someones else profit - and when your aggressively expanding you could argue the profit is zero - depends on leasing options etc..... but your a clever man, it doesn't take much to work out an approx salary.
Amazon make only pennies on most sales - something that many would say 'well the efforts not worth it' but multiply the by billions everyone says WOW! wish I could earn that
Darran
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not being picky Daz - but most of what you state there is on HP/Lease
Darran
I suppose in terms of vehicles, it’s quite rare these days for anyone to buy new and not pay by pcp/lease.
I hate monthly payments, so I saved to buy my second hand transit custom outright. I’ll sell it and put the money towards a newer custom maybe next year.
I suppose with Daz, he lives in a cheap flat, so he’s got plenty of money to buy things on finance, and till have plenty left over each month.
We always forget Daz lives a very different lifestyle to almost all of us, he’s got no mortgage/family, so it’s relatively comfortable for him.
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correct - we all have different circumstances - aims, ambitions, family commitments
except when dealing with NK there is no right or wrong - in that respect everybody other than NK is correct ;D
Darran
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Didn't Dazmond also once say he rents his flat & its only around £350 a month? No kids also. That does save a fair bit of money!
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Beat me to it
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Didn't Dazmond also once say he rents his flat & its only around £350 a month? No kids also. That does save a fair bit of money!
its actually just over £300 a month rent wise......also i dont smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol anymore,no kids(apart from my grown up step kids).....i dont buy LSD,cocaine,ecstasy,amphetamines or weed either these days....
my only vices are a gym membership(£330 a year)and protein bars/powders/creatine supplements....... ;D
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Wow over £300 a month 😱😱😱😱
That's a rip off for Salford 😍
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Wow over £300 a month 😱😱😱😱
That's a rip off for Salford 😍
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Daz must be at the posh end!!
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Wow over £300 a month 😱😱😱😱
That's a rip off for Salford 😍
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Daz must be at the posh end!!
There IS no posh end of Salford!!!!
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You couldn’t rent a tent down here for £300 a month!
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My childcare costs more per month than Daz’s rent does. 😂
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Wow over £300 a month 😱😱😱😱
Room service and full board all come at a cost you know.
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I aspire to be like Daz, seriously. Low rent, barely no bills, no kids with loads of money coming in to save or spend on myself, only working part time ;D It’s the life I want, I think Daz has got it made.
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I aspire to be like Daz, seriously. Low rent, barely no bills, no kids with loads of money coming in to save or spend on myself, only working part time ;D It’s the life I want, I think Daz has got it made.
Think of the long term, as you get older, having a family will count. Being old with a bit of money won’t be much fun when your 75/80. That’s when family will make the difference.
Besides, finances can be even better if you settle down and your wife has a good job too 👍🏼. You’ll have two decent incomes paying a mortgage off, and I by the time you ‘retire’ you’d be mortgage free and living cheaper than Daz.
I like Daz, but I wouldn’t want to be living like that for long. It suits him for now though!
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I aspire to be like Daz, seriously. Low rent, barely no bills, no kids with loads of money coming in to save or spend on myself, only working part time ;D It’s the life I want, I think Daz has got it made.
Think of the long term, as you get older, having a family will count. Being old with a bit of money won’t be much fun when your 75/80. That’s when family will make the difference.
Besides, finances can be even better if you settle down and your wife has a good job too 👍🏼. You’ll have two decent incomes paying a mortgage off, and I by the time you ‘retire’ you’d be mortgage free and living cheaper than Daz.
I like Daz, but I wouldn’t want to be living like that for long. It suits him for now though!
I didnt want kids when i was in my mid 20's, as time went on and we had 2 lads I realised we couldn't be without them
We've been on numerous hols, been to concerts, football matches too many to mention, done some reasonably (😁) adventurous stuff, we have even got them to the theatre on occasions.
Nah, no way could i go through life without kids.
It's the stuff of life!!!!!
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I aspire to be like Daz, seriously. Low rent, barely no bills, no kids with loads of money coming in to save or spend on myself, only working part time ;D It’s the life I want, I think Daz has got it made.
Think of the long term, as you get older, having a family will count. Being old with a bit of money won’t be much fun when your 75/80. That’s when family will make the difference.
Besides, finances can be even better if you settle down and your wife has a good job too 👍🏼. You’ll have two decent incomes paying a mortgage off, and I by the time you ‘retire’ you’d be mortgage free and living cheaper than Daz.
I like Daz, but I wouldn’t want to be living like that for long. It suits him for now though!
I'll move in with my missus when her grown up kids leave home.she lives in a 4 bed house in a nice area.shes also got her own business(interior designer) but I need my own bedroom and room for my 2 drum kits,van and car....no room at the moment!🙄😂
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Why do you keep your van in your bedroom?
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Conditions for when I move in....
1.own bedroom decorated in a 'pimps palace' stylee with desk,printer and laptop.large wardrobe.... ;D
2,separate room for drum storage.
3.outside plug socket fitted for van hook up.
4.lockable storage unit for poles,resin,brushes,etc.
5.new kitchen design to incorporate all my stainless steel cooking pots,utensils, etc,new cooker and halogen hob.....
As long as these requirements are met I'll take the leap.......probably wont be for another 10 years yet! ;D
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Conditions for when I move in....
1.own bedroom decorated in a 'pimps palace' stylee with desk,printer and laptop.large wardrobe.... ;D
2,separate room for drum storage.
3.outside plug socket fitted for van hook up.
4.lockable storage unit for poles,resin,brushes,etc.
5.new kitchen design to incorporate all my stainless steel cooking pots,utensils, etc,new cooker and halogen hob.....
As long as these requirements are met I'll take the leap.......probably wont be for another 10 years yet! ;D
There's no way she'll have that
You'll have been dumped before that with those demands and she'll have moved onto a toyboy
Nice to dream though Daz😁😍
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The g is Daz, who knows weather you’ll still be together, you don’t know what it’s like living together, if it all goes pete tong, your back in a flat on your jack jones paying rent again.
I hope that Doesn’t mate 👍🏼
There’s a lot to be said for stability and marriage, even if it sounds old fashioned. (Yes I know marriages break down too)
Anyway, all the best mate, you know what your doing for now!
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Conditions for when I move in....
1.own bedroom decorated in a 'pimps palace' stylee with desk,printer and laptop.large wardrobe.... ;D
2,separate room for drum storage.
3.outside plug socket fitted for van hook up.
4.lockable storage unit for poles,resin,brushes,etc.
5.new kitchen design to incorporate all my stainless steel cooking pots,utensils, etc,new cooker and halogen hob.....
As long as these requirements are met I'll take the leap.......probably wont be for another 10 years yet! ;D
There's no way she'll have that
You'll have been dumped before that with those demands and she'll have moved onto a toyboy
Nice to dream though Daz😁😍
shes already verbally agreed mate.......just got to get it in writing now! ;) ;D
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The g is Daz, who knows weather you’ll still be together, you don’t know what it’s like living together, if it all goes pete tong, your back in a flat on your jack jones paying rent again.
I hope that Doesn’t mate 👍🏼
There’s a lot to be said for stability and marriage, even if it sounds old fashioned. (Yes I know marriages break down too)
Anyway, all the best mate, you know what your doing for now!
your right nobody knows what the future holds but we all still have plans....... :)
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Conditions for when I move in....
1.own bedroom decorated in a 'pimps palace' stylee with desk,printer and laptop.large wardrobe.... ;D
2,separate room for drum storage.
3.outside plug socket fitted for van hook up.
4.lockable storage unit for poles,resin,brushes,etc.
5.new kitchen design to incorporate all my stainless steel cooking pots,utensils, etc,new cooker and halogen hob.....
As long as these requirements are met I'll take the leap.......probably wont be for another 10 years yet! ;D
There's no way she'll have that
You'll have been dumped before that with those demands and she'll have moved onto a toyboy
Nice to dream though Daz😁😍
shes already verbally agreed mate.......just got to get it in writing now! ;) ;D
She must love u Daz😍😍😍
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As someone once said...
"There is only one success- to be able to live your life in your own way" 👍
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Conditions for when I move in....
1.own bedroom decorated in a 'pimps palace' stylee with desk,printer and laptop.large wardrobe.... ;D
2,separate room for drum storage.
3.outside plug socket fitted for van hook up.
4.lockable storage unit for poles,resin,brushes,etc.
5.new kitchen design to incorporate all my stainless steel cooking pots,utensils, etc,new cooker and halogen hob.....
As long as these requirements are met I'll take the leap.......probably wont be for another 10 years yet! ;D
Gooaaannnn the Dazmaister, If she agrees to all of the above you must be one helluva ride😜
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Conditions for when I move in....
1.own bedroom decorated in a 'pimps palace' stylee with desk,printer and laptop.large wardrobe.... ;D
2,separate room for drum storage.
3.outside plug socket fitted for van hook up.
4.lockable storage unit for poles,resin,brushes,etc.
5.new kitchen design to incorporate all my stainless steel cooking pots,utensils, etc,new cooker and halogen hob.....
As long as these requirements are met I'll take the leap.......probably wont be for another 10 years yet! ;D
Gooaaannnn the Dazmaister, If she agrees to all of the above you must be one helluva ride😜
They don't call him Daz "the tripod" Mond for nowt!!💪👊💪
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5.new kitchen design to incorporate all my stainless steel cooking pots,utensils, etc,new cooker and halogen hob.....
You're a massive girly thing, Daz!
What next? Your own dressing room table and make-up mirror?
;D
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As someone once said...
"There is only one success- to be able to live your life in your own way" 👍
So watching Netflix in my underpants 24/7 while eating a never-ending supply of Pringles could be considered a success?
Who knew?
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The business was literally started with a bucket, ladder, £99 roof rack from Halfords and a Honda Civic
Isn't that how most of us started?
The bit about when he sold his house and moved back in with mum 'n' dad is where it really gets interesting, and beyond the scope of many.
For example you need a house AND parents who will give you back your teenage bedroom.
It would be a better rags to riches story if there wasn't that bit in it.