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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Burbidge on September 17, 2012, 10:19:38 pm
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In hind sight I should of got the proper sound equipment out as it was a little windy. Enjoy :)
http://youtu.be/hSXW1KIiP1Y
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LOOKS GOOD . CANT wait to see the specs...
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In hind sight I should of got the proper sound equipment out as it was a little windy. Enjoy :)
http://youtu.be/hSXW1KIiP1Y
like, like, like :) aren't those clamps a bit heavy lee?
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Looks good, weight dependent.
Anti-pinch clamps!!!! Wish I had those on my old tucker pole. Lost a bit of skin to that damn thing.
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like, like, like :) aren't those clamps a bit heavy lee?
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you will be supprised really, they look it but they are not, over all its a great pole with some great ideas, nice and light and rigid too, even the glass fibre one! glad i went and got to play with it
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In hind sight I should of got the proper sound equipment out as it was a little windy. Enjoy :)
http://youtu.be/hSXW1KIiP1Y
It didnt feel that it added weight to the pole.... was very light to hold :)
like, like, like :) aren't those clamps a bit heavy lee?
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Look out for detailed specs being released over next week or so...
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looks good, would like to see a proper rigidity test done with weight on the end of the pole as the one in the film doesn't say much really..
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Certainly looks interesting.
The spec and price list will be good to see soon.
Lets hope it has decent collapsed lengths, competitive pricing, and most importantly, is up to the daily rigours of being used and abused by staffed!
Abused being:
- collapsed from height with the clamp being opened fully until the sections smash together.
- pole hose not cleaned regularly to stop grit etc getting inside and jamming sections.
- thrown in and out of the van.
- dropped.
- banged against fences, walls etc.
- dragged along extensions/conservatories.
Joys of staff!
Anyone has a LONG way to go to compete with Gardiners, and lets hope the Phoenix range can provide a worthy adversary as it would be nice to have some choice.
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Wow.... do you do any window cleaning with your poles on your list a part from throwing them around lol
I have the same problem..... my staff always breaking stuff. This one time, I was joking to Sam about how he manages to break everything i give him and how we should use his breaking skills to test products.
He then jumped into his van and drove off, with the back doors open!!
I shouted for him to stop, which he did. We had a laugh about how gormy it was and then he slammed the van door shut breaking the goose neck of my SMAX45! Pillock! lmao
I love him really.....
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looks good, would like to see a proper rigidity test done with weight on the end of the pole as the one in the film doesn't say much really..
I agree
Can't say I have ever got my fingers caught in my slx either , looks like it might be worth a look though.
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The Phoenix was designed to compete...
Collapsed length of 17ft and 21ft..... = 5ft
And they are actual extended lengths....
Full specs will be released very soon...
can you please tell me why are your new poles classed as 17ft and not 18 and the 21ft not the standed 22 cheers james
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In fact we are still working on these specs...
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In fact we are still working on these specs...
I don't understand this.
Is the pole Lee has won a prototype, because if its not you should be able to give us closed length, section length and weight.
It all seems a bit fishy for me.
Art
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Nothing fishy.... Just suspense....
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We have had a number of sizes and materials made to establish which works the best and gives the best performance. Vanfest was a rush job to get the poles ready in time (for the giveaway).
We have a closed 4ft 7” version (17ft and 21ft) and a 4ft 10” version (18ft and 22ft) we are currently deciding which way to go hence finalising specs in the next few days. Believe it or not it effects the price somewhat and we are looking to get it just right
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is there a 27 footer?
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In fact we are still working on these specs...
I don't understand this.
Is the pole Lee has won a prototype, because if its not you should be able to give us closed length, section length and weight.
It all seems a bit fishy for me.
Art
Hi the pole I won was a CL-X 22 and not a Facelift pole ;D
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looks good, would like to see a proper rigidity test done with weight on the end of the pole as the one in the film doesn't say much really..
2nd the above!
Will you be putting out video etc of a rigidity test with a brush on? Perhaps a side by side comparison with an equivalent gardiners pole would be the best promotion for these poles. If they are as good, or better, it will do wonders for sales.
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Certainly looks interesting.
The spec and price list will be good to see soon.
Lets hope it has decent collapsed lengths, competitive pricing, and most importantly, is up to the daily rigours of being used and abused by staffed!
Abused being:
- collapsed from height with the clamp being opened fully until the sections smash together.
- pole hose not cleaned regularly to stop grit etc getting inside and jamming sections.
- thrown in and out of the van.
- dropped.
- banged against fences, walls etc.
- dragged along extensions/conservatories.
Joys of staff!
Anyone has a LONG way to go to compete with Gardiners, and lets hope the Phoenix range can provide a worthy adversary as it would be nice to have some choice.
I think the only people that could design that would be fisher price.
To be fair I've not had any of these issues since getting shot of domestics. Had the same clx poles since last november. That unheard of for me. If fisher price did design a pole then maybe they could design vans too to stop them being broken and abused
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Whats the prices of the poles
Are they pure carbon.
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come on let us know.
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make sure your sat down when he tells ya :o ;D ;D
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make sure your sat down when he tells ya :o ;D ;D
oh well clx it will be for me. :o
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Everyone will be pleasantly surprised....
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any update. ???
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Everyone will be pleasantly surprised....
yeh if we ever get the price!
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I'm going to wait for the new gardiner sl-y pole now, as this waiting is boring me to death.
Art
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looks good, would like to see a proper rigidity test done with weight on the end of the pole as the one in the film doesn't say much really..
2nd the above!
Will you be putting out video etc of a rigidity test with a brush on? Perhaps a side by side comparison with an equivalent gardiners pole would be the best promotion for these poles. If they are as good, or better, it will do wonders for sales.
Check this video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-2dfQNywI&feature=g-all-u
Example of the rigidity of the pole in use with brush head...
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to expensive will be ordering clx 27 for under £200inc vat.
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Prices are looking competitive to be honest
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looks good, would like to see a proper rigidity test done with weight on the end of the pole as the one in the film doesn't say much really..
2nd the above!
Will you be putting out video etc of a rigidity test with a brush on? Perhaps a side by side comparison with an equivalent gardiners pole would be the best promotion for these poles. If they are as good, or better, it will do wonders for sales.
Check this video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-2dfQNywI&feature=g-all-u
Example of the rigidity of the pole in use with brush head...
How old is that young lad ? he looks 18 to me .
He is good sales man ;)
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not impressed. gardeners for me.
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ive added price difference to it ;D
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i think we have a rival to gardiner poles at last to be honest!they look like damn good poles with similar price,weight,rigidity and closed lengths.
whether the customer service will reach gardiner heights remains to be seen!!the clamps look good as well!! ;D ;D
regards
dazmond
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thats for a bare pole no hose ect.
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not impressed. gardeners for me.
That's a shame, as there is more in innovation and features built into this pole range than any other currently available. It would be interesting to compare this side by side with anything out there to see if your viewpoint changes.
Those specs are not the official ones by the way, the official ones are slightly better. Pricing is correct though!
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OFFICIAL specs are coming.....
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The price difference is not attractive enough to change my mind yet. Better the devil you know.
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The price difference is not attractive enough to change my mind yet. Better the devil you know.
+1
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Can you not just hold the pole out fully extended horizontally with brush to get a true rigidity idea, the one you have done still doesn't give it justice.
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Does it come with the hose or is that extra.
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Does it come with the hose or is that extra.
it says price is for bare pole. so you will need hose, angle adapter, & connectors, brush.
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That's how it read to me but I thought I would ask as I didn't think they would be that tight .
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That's how it read to me but I thought I would ask as I didn't think they would be that tight .
lol. i think i will be getting the clx 27 if i have money left after my holiday. using a harris pole & a 25 ft impressor [weighs a ton].
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Seems like a lot of interest in this pole??
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To start with, now a loss of interest.
Why not sale it complete with the real price tag,not
Half a pint in a pint glass .
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Seems like a lot of interest in this pole??
but not for long.
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To start with, now a loss of interest.
Why not sale it complete with the real price tag,not
Half a pint in a pint glass .
Hey man... has Mr Howard not given out pricing on here yet then? I thought he had :)
Im sure they must be tweaking things etc that can only mean a better deal than before dont you think?
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how good are the clamps on these poles the last time i got a pole with a vertical clamp they wore very quick and became usless ,any info as to how these ones work
thanks matt
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The only pricing I have seen is the list I put up .
Of which you then add the price of neck hose and hosetail .
Then put all that together and you get a true price to compare with say gardiners for example.
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Click here for prices (http://www.polarbrite.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_20_49_126)
Similar to Gardiners but with inferior brush conection IMO
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Click here for prices (http://www.polarbrite.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_20_49_126)
Similar to Gardiners but with inferior brush conection IMO
Thats a bare pole only
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Click here for prices (http://www.polarbrite.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_20_49_126)
Similar to Gardiners but with inferior brush conection IMO
Thats a bare pole only
Correct. So more than Gardiners with an inferior top.
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I don't think i will be moving away from Gardiner's just yet
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I don't think i will be moving away from Gardiner's just yet
Just got the interview back from Facelift for October issue of WCM......... wow!!!! Cant wait to see the game changers promised .....
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tbh gardiners are good poles ,but the clamps are crap IMO
if its for yourself then a gardiner pole is a must. slx or an extreme. and a strip of superglues.
coupled with a 10" carbon gooseneck they are unbelievable on just window cleaning.
its when you add the other bits on that the gooseneck ETC is dire.
no good really on fascias & gutters or conny cleans as your angle is fixed..
on these i use an elite pole with a 10" flipfast. it really comes Into its own here as no end stops etc and you can strip a30ft elite down to 2 sections to do a conny roof
AS well as any angle u need. which will differ.
staff wise , then its an elite as the main component that wears = clamps are really good , albeit a heavier pole.
i would really like to trial a facelift pole ( if you are reading this facelift )
i will give you a complete unbiased opinion also on here ;)
my next purchase is either a facelift pole or an extreme from gardiners. 22ft ish.
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The slx 25 is cheaper than the equivalent pole from facelift....
And the six comes with hose and adapter it would have to be something special to sway me away from gardeners.
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tbh gardiners are good poles ,but the clamps are crap IMO
if its for yourself then a gardiner pole is a must. slx or an extreme. and a strip of superglues.
coupled with a 10" carbon gooseneck they are unbelievable on just window cleaning.
its when you add the other bits on that the gooseneck ETC is dire.
no good really on fascias & gutters or conny cleans as your angle is fixed..
on these i use an elite pole with a 10" flipfast. it really comes Into its own here as no end stops etc and you can strip a30ft elite down to 2 sections to do a conny roof
AS well as any angle u need. which will differ.
staff wise , then its an elite as the main component that wears = clamps are really good , albeit a heavier pole.
i would really like to trial a facelift pole ( if you are reading this facelift )
i will give you a complete unbiased opinion also on here ;)
my next purchase is either a facelift pole or an extreme from gardiners. 22ft ish.
Very interesting......
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We will be confirming all the official prices and specs..
We will also explain exactly what comes with the poles and what doesn't...
In the mean time keep the feedback coming... and thanks for the interest..
If you want to receive this information feel free to contact me: mike@faceliftcleaning.com
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We will be confirming all the official prices and specs..
We will also explain exactly what comes with the poles and what doesn't...
In the mean time keep the feedback coming... and thanks for the interest..
If you want to receive this information feel free to contact me: mike@faceliftcleaning.com
fancy an unbiased reviewer?
we currently use gardiner and elite poles .
slx 30 , slx 18 & 22 , elite 30 , elite 25 ,
with all the various attachments available: flipfasts . carbon g necks , aquadaptors etc etc
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I would.... drop me a line lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk..... whats your thoughts on the Elite range :)
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Biggest topic since three weeks back... cool....
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Better than an episode of coronation street.
gardiners die hards vs facelift wannabies.
my opinion for what its worth...... competition can only be good for window cleaners.
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Better than an episode of coronation street.
gardiners die hards vs facelift wannabies.
my opinion for what its worth...... competition can only be good for window cleaners.
well said craig ;D
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Competitiveness feeds improvement...
The window cleaner will benefit...
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The slx 25 is cheaper than the equivalent pole from facelift....
And the six comes with hose and adapter it would have to be something special to sway me away from gardeners.
There are a lot of factors to consider when choosing a tool. Price is one, of course. Ease of use, another. Speed, lightness, etc.
I think Gardiners have done an excellent job in nurturing devotees of their products. It's got to the stage where some won't even consider that something could possibly be better! Hats off.
Comparing the Phoenix with other poles out there (not just G's) will be very interesting. Time will definitely tell.
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If you can slow the wear rate of carbon down then I'll have one.
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We will be confirming all the official prices and specs..
We will also explain exactly what comes with the poles and what doesn't...
In the mean time keep the feedback coming... and thanks for the interest..
If you want to receive this information feel free to contact me: mike@faceliftcleaning.com
just put them on here or your website surley it cant take long.
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Hmm,how come polarbrite has prices and facelift don't yet ?
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Hmm,how come polarbrite has prices and facelift don't yet ?
dont think they are official prices. the time they get the prices up i will have saved enough to get my clx 27 with free pole hose & easy snap connector & angle adapter. ;D
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I have a clx ,just order some glue at the same time you order the pole lol.
Apart from that its a good pole.
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I have a clx ,just order some glue at the same time you order the pole lol.
Apart from that its a good pole.
glue for the clamps? are the rubbish.
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I have a clx ,just order some glue at the same time you order the pole lol.
Apart from that its a good pole.
We are never going to live that gluing episode down are we :)
Fortunately this only ever affected a small percentage of our poles and now due to superior assembling processes and glues, those days are now gone and clamps stay glued on.
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Competitiveness feeds improvement...
The window cleaner will benefit...
Do you have any new brushes coming out?
Also does the gardiner carbon fibre goose neck fit this pole?
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We are working on a lot of new products...
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We are working on a lot of new products...
Lets hope that you bring them to the market without all the fuss, it bores me. The hype will come from members here that rate the product, not you.
The Phoenix may have risen, but has already crashed and burnt.
Art
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I have a clx ,just order some glue at the same time you order the pole lol.
Apart from that its a good pole.
We are never going to live that gluing episode down are we :)
Fortunately this only ever affected a small percentage of our poles and now due to superior assembling processes and glues, those days are now gone and clamps stay glued on.
If I promis not to mention it again,can you add more hose on a clx 18 .So it gives a bit of flexibility when using a back pack .
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I have a clx ,just order some glue at the same time you order the pole lol.
Apart from that its a good pole.
We are never going to live that gluing episode down are we :)
Fortunately this only ever affected a small percentage of our poles and now due to superior assembling processes and glues, those days are now gone and clamps stay glued on.
If I promis not to mention it again,can you add more hose on a clx 18 .So it gives a bit of flexibility when using a back pack .
Thank you Mike for the interview.... guys the interview will be in the October issue of WCM :)
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Anti-pinch clamps!!!! Wish I had those on my old tucker pole. Lost a bit of skin to that damn thing.Moncler UK[/url | [url=http://www.moncleroutletstoreu.com/]http://www.moncleroutletstoreu.com/ (http://www.moncleroutletstoreu.com/moncler-boots-outlet-c-12.html)
Ouch :-X
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Hmm,how come polarbrite has prices and facelift don't yet ?
Because their a facelift distributor, and therefore sell them!!
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No Problem Lee....
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Hmm,how come polarbrite has prices and facelift don't yet ?
Because their a facelift distributor, and therefore sell them!!
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Realy!
Then how come the Distribtor is giving specs that,cough ;D facelift dont even seem
to know.
Now go and eat some Beans like a good little boy!
We will be confirming all the official prices and specs..
We will also explain exactly what comes with the poles and what doesn't...
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more than a week & still waiting on the specs. :'(
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more than a week & still waiting on the specs. :'(
I think Gardiners win this contest hands down !!
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more than a week & still waiting on the specs. :'(
I think Gardiners win this contest hands down !!
was there a contest? a bit one sided if there was :o :o
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I have a clx ,just order some glue at the same time you order the pole lol.
Apart from that its a good pole.
We are never going to live that gluing episode down are we :)
Fortunately this only ever affected a small percentage of our poles and now due to superior assembling processes and glues, those days are now gone and clamps stay glued on.
If I promis not to mention it again,can you add more hose on a clx 18 .So it gives a bit of flexibility when using a back pack .
;D ;D We actually already do this for clients when requested. Simply ring the Office when ordering a pole and mention how many extra metres of hose you'd like fitted.
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Hmm,how come polarbrite has prices and facelift don't yet ?
Because their a facelift distributor, and therefore sell them!!
and dont we all love craig at polarbite ;D ;D ;D ;D :-X :-X :-X
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Thanks ill give you a call to sort it out.
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(http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/FaceliftSystems/Phoenix_zps14689075.jpg)
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As requested above.....
Any Further questions... drop me a e-mail on mike@faceliftcleaning.com
Would like to hear from you...
Mike
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+ VAT?
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All prices +VAT...
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The price of the 26' ul looks interesting. When are they bring released? Will the be any brushes to choose from?
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Can you give us a breakdown of how much carbon is in the poles and maybe a comparison to the composition of other well known poles. As has been mentioned previously, a more straightforward video demonstration of the 'bend, would be good ( better angle than on the one you've put out), from vertical to horizontal with a brush on the end. Even better would be a demo of a comparison with the competition. If you want to win over a lot on here, including me, who already have good poles from a reliable manufacturer then demos are needed, good price and description won't do it for many. Could you show that yours is a better pole than others and back it up. I'm tempted but not tempted enough with the info put out so far.
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are they free delivery?
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like the look of the 26x...have you got them in stock?
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are they free delivery?
This a good point,for me this saves about £35.00 when buying from the competition
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i think the 26 looks good value for money good weight and closed length...
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Hmm,how come polarbrite has prices and facelift don't yet ?
Because their a facelift distributor, and therefore sell them!!
have you got these in stock craig (the 26)
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Ordered a 18 will give my own impartial review next week when I receive and use.
if it's good will order the 26 ultra
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26x ordered....and its free delivery
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Fill your boots....
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free delivery is a major thumbs up. if u keep it free delivery these will sell well.
cant wait for the impartial reviews. ;)
i need a new pole desperatley and am eagerly waiting the reviews.
if they are good reviews i shall aquire 1 next week
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dont like these sites where you have to put your details in before you see the total cost. £119 sub tota.l so to find out final price with vat details are required. >:(
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Which site are you looking at?
Paul
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Why arent they on Facelifts website ?
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dont like these sites where you have to put your details in before you see the total cost. £119 sub tota.l so to find out final price with vat details are required. >:(
well as you've said half a dozen times your not interested in there poles and getting a clx i wouldn't waste your time looking ;D
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Which site are you looking at?
Paul
polarbrite.
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dont like these sites where you have to put your details in before you see the total cost. £119 sub tota.l so to find out final price with vat details are required. >:(
well as you've said half a dozen times your not interested in there poles and getting a clx i wouldn't waste your time looking ;D
trying to compare prices.[go compare] ;)
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Oh OK. You can get a total price for products on our website including carriage without having to enter any personal details.
Paul
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Oh OK. You can get a total price for products on our website including carriage without having to enter any personal details.
Paul
thats the way i roll. :)
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
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Im gonna wait and see what people think before I part with any cash.
I got a feeling the carbon will wear quickly with those clamps if your using the braking on it.
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Just remember the long distance sale of goods act.7 days to send back with full refund. Even if there's nothing wrong.
So if its like a banana,send it back ;D
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
that would explain the short collapsed length then
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
so is it the top or bottom section that youdont extend?
if its the top section, surly it would make the pole feel alot heavier theoretically you would be extending 2 sections which would add extra weight and make it fell heavy?
will there be a proper 26' pole being released? The email i got from mike said that the extension isnt intended for everyday use.
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
so is it the top or bottom section that youdont extend?
if its the top section, surly it would make the pole feel alot heavier theoretically you would be extending 2 sections which would add extra weight and make it fell heavy?
No not at all. Hence the term 'ultralite' it's a different way of doing things which works incredibly well. You treat the top section as a gooseneck for all intents, then, when you need it, extend. You have to see/use it to appreicate how well it works. No doubt a lot of reviews will be coming shortly to give you first hand (unbiased) info!
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
so is it the top or bottom section that youdont extend?
if its the top section, surly it would make the pole feel alot heavier theoretically you would be extending 2 sections which would add extra weight and make it fell heavy?
No not at all. Hence the term 'ultralite' it's a different way of doing things which works incredibly well. You treat the top section as a gooseneck for all intents, then, when you need it, extend. You have to see/use it to appreicate how well it works. No doubt a lot of reviews will be coming shortly to give you first hand (unbiased) info!
Ok thanks for the info. Is there going to be a 26' pole with the extension making it a 30' pole then?
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I remember when the Elite poles first came out, the first published specs were NOT the ACTUAL specs & were not for some time!!! ;)
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
so is it the top or bottom section that youdont extend?
if its the top section, surly it would make the pole feel alot heavier theoretically you would be extending 2 sections which would add extra weight and make it fell heavy?
No not at all. Hence the term 'ultralite' it's a different way of doing things which works incredibly well. You treat the top section as a gooseneck for all intents, then, when you need it, extend. You have to see/use it to appreicate how well it works. No doubt a lot of reviews will be coming shortly to give you first hand (unbiased) info!
So there is a section at the top 4ft long thats only used when you need the full 26ft! Carrying weight at the top thats mostly not used, no matter how light,doesn`t seem user friendly unless i have missed something.
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
so is it the top or bottom section that youdont extend?
if its the top section, surly it would make the pole feel alot heavier theoretically you would be extending 2 sections which would add extra weight and make it fell heavy?
No not at all. Hence the term 'ultralite' it's a different way of doing things which works incredibly well. You treat the top section as a gooseneck for all intents, then, when you need it, extend. You have to see/use it to appreicate how well it works. No doubt a lot of reviews will be coming shortly to give you first hand (unbiased) info!
So there is a section at the top 4ft long thats only used when you need the full 26ft! Carrying weight at the top thats mostly not used, no matter how light,doesn`t seem user friendly unless i have missed something.
The exact opposite. All we have focused on is the user, you have effectively got the worlds shortest stack, longest reaching, easiest to use pole - in one! And if you don't need the full 26ft you can take out the section and replace it with the suppled quick release insert, but I doubt any one would bother. As said previous, need to see it in action.
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
so is it the top or bottom section that youdont extend?
if its the top section, surly it would make the pole feel alot heavier theoretically you would be extending 2 sections which would add extra weight and make it fell heavy?
No not at all. Hence the term 'ultralite' it's a different way of doing things which works incredibly well. You treat the top section as a gooseneck for all intents, then, when you need it, extend. You have to see/use it to appreicate how well it works. No doubt a lot of reviews will be coming shortly to give you first hand (unbiased) info!
So there is a section at the top 4ft long thats only used when you need the full 26ft! Carrying weight at the top thats mostly not used, no matter how light,doesn`t seem user friendly unless i have missed something.
The exact opposite. All we have focused on is the user, you have effectively got the worlds shortest stack, longest reaching, easiest to use pole - in one! And if you don't need the full 26ft you can take out the section and replace it with the suppled quick release insert, but I doubt any one would bother. As said previous, need to see it in action.
this does sound a good pole that has had some thought put into it will be good to test it out and see
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Awaiting reviews ;D
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Video and pics would be good.would have made sence to have had all info ready to hand once the pole was reviewed for the first time.
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It seems a really odd way of doing things. Can't make it out at all, it would seem more sensible to add to the bottom rather than the top.
Interested to hear more but my initial interest seems to have dropped a notch. :-\
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Apparently the 26' is actually a 22' with an extension not designed for everyday use.
When is the proper 26' being released?
The 26 is an actual 26ft extended pole (+reach). The idea is to only extend it when needed and use the section below as the starting point for most everyday work. This adds superb balance to the pole in everyday use as most window cleaners only need a 26ft pole a small amount of time. The weight is greatly reduced and it gives you unbelievable reduced closed length enabling the user to clean in the most awkward situations with ease and reach higher all in one pole.
so is it the top or bottom section that youdont extend?
if its the top section, surly it would make the pole feel alot heavier theoretically you would be extending 2 sections which would add extra weight and make it fell heavy?
No not at all. Hence the term 'ultralite' it's a different way of doing things which works incredibly well. You treat the top section as a gooseneck for all intents, then, when you need it, extend. You have to see/use it to appreicate how well it works. No doubt a lot of reviews will be coming shortly to give you first hand (unbiased) info!
So there is a section at the top 4ft long thats only used when you need the full 26ft! Carrying weight at the top thats mostly not used, no matter how light,doesn`t seem user friendly unless i have missed something.
The exact opposite. All we have focused on is the user, you have effectively got the worlds shortest stack, longest reaching, easiest to use pole - in one! And if you don't need the full 26ft you can take out the section and replace it with the suppled quick release insert, but I doubt any one would bother. As said previous, need to see it in action.
So it is an extra top section that you put on when required?If you explain exactly what it is without the hyperbole you will find that window cleaners using a water fed pole all day every will know what you mean instead of having to guess.
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if they cant explain a simple pole and how it works and what the weight sizes prices etc are
then god help us what sort of pole it is.
think they need to look at their sales pitch
and as a dragon would say "iam out"
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if they cant explain a simple pole and how it works and what the weight sizes prices etc are
then god help us what sort of pole it is.
think they need to look at their sales pitch
and as a dragon would say "iam out"
dont be out yet franky :) this pole looks good so far, lets see how some who will buy it rate it .
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Not a strange way of doing things.... Just different.
We have used the idea of adding section at the bottom, this is called a bigger pole!! ;D
We also used the idea of adding a section at the top to add minimal weight with no addition to the closed length but giving users the option of an extra length...
The larger sizes will be rolled out over the next few weeks.... constant releases to look out for...
Quite simply if you don't like the "extra top section" idea then go for the normal pole and just use the quick release collar.
Stephen said it the best.... Look out for unbiased reviews, more videos from us etc...
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Not a strange way of doing things.... Just different.
We have used the idea of adding section at the bottom, this is called a bigger pole!! ;D
We also used the idea of adding a section at the top to add minimal weight with no addition to the closed length but giving users the option of an extra length...
The larger sizes will be rolled out over the next few weeks.... constant releases to look out for...
Quite simply if you don't like the "extra top section" idea then go for the normal pole and just use the quick release collar.
Stephen said it the best.... Look out for unbiased reviews, more videos from us etc...
Hi Mick
Can you send me a FREE sample so I can do a tests as well as a good video demo so all the negative believers can see how good this pole is? ;D ;D
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Not a strange way of doing things.... Just different.
We have used the idea of adding section at the bottom, this is called a bigger pole!! ;D
We also used the idea of adding a section at the top to add minimal weight with no addition to the closed length but giving users the option of an extra length...
The larger sizes will be rolled out over the next few weeks.... constant releases to look out for...
Quite simply if you don't like the "extra top section" idea then go for the normal pole and just use the quick release collar.
Stephen said it the best.... Look out for unbiased reviews, more videos from us etc...
Hi Mick
Can you send me a FREE sample so I can do a tests as well as a good video demo so all the negative believers can see how good this pole is? ;D ;D
Sorry about the spelling MIKE ;)
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(http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/FaceliftSystems/Phoenix_zps14689075.jpg)
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Hmm,how come polarbrite has prices and facelift don't yet ?
Because their a facelift distributor, and therefore sell them!!
have you got these in stock craig (the 26)
Polarbrite does have these in stock....
We plan to make them available at the UK's best distributors....
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Hi Mike
We have ordered a 26x..can you confirm this is fully telescopic
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Yes, fully telescopic
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Aqua dapter, polarbrite, and probably window cleaning warehouse
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Not a strange way of doing things.... Just different.
We have used the idea of adding section at the bottom, this is called a bigger pole!! ;D
We also used the idea of adding a section at the top to add minimal weight with no addition to the closed length but giving users the option of an extra length...
The larger sizes will be rolled out over the next few weeks.... constant releases to look out for...
Quite simply if you don't like the "extra top section" idea then go for the normal pole and just use the quick release collar.
Stephen said it the best.... Look out for unbiased reviews, more videos from us etc...
Hi Mick
Can you send me a FREE sample so I can do a tests as well as a good video demo so all the negative believers can see how good this pole is? ;D ;D
No worries about the spelling... Weirdly we had many offers from people offering there services for free poles!!! We have a idea about this... More confirmed details on that this week...
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Lee GLS got the stockists right there... More to follow..
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Can you give more info on the inner top section.my thinking is this is a week spot,hence don't use it often.just how much use can it take from your own trails ?
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In our trials it has been very effective and durable, we have had postive feedback from users who have tested it for us and the concept has been welcomed by those who have seen the pole in the flesh....
A few people have already ordered these poles so I am sure they will be pleased to share their impartial opinion..
Thank you all for the interest..
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Hi Mike
Can you fit Gardiner carbon gooseneck in to these poles?
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Not to sure on that one Dani J.... I will find out for you...
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Not to sure on that one Dani J.... I will find out for you...
Thanks Mike :) i am thinking of getting one of your poles, so where did you say i can buy them from ?
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Drop me a mail mike@faceliftcleaning.com and I will see who is closest to help you...
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When are they being sent out
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When are they being sent out
Have you ordered one?
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Yes
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Drop me an E-mail with your details and I will get some info...
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When will wcw be stocking these poles i can't find them on their site ??? ???
Thanks Paul
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When will wcw be stocking these poles i can't find them on their site ??? ???
Thanks Paul
Paul, send me your e-mail address and I can contact you as soon as WCW has them live..
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
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Monday ???
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Has anyone got theres yet ???
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
You could not make this up.
So after all the hype, no poles.
It seems you have taken all the innovation of one suppler with all the customer service of another.
Brilliant.
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Ok ,lets put it another way.....
Who's ordered one of these .... and not got it yet ;D
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I have seen one today in the flesh and i had it fully extended looks very good. just a miner fault the gardiners carbon gooseneck will not fit the top of the facelift poles.
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I have seen one today in the flesh and i had it fully extended looks very good. just a miner fault the gardiners carbon gooseneck will not fit the top of the facelift poles.
Perhaps this is for a reason maybe facelift have got plans for their own carbon fibre goosenecks ;) ;)
Paul
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
You could not make this up.
So after all the hype, no poles.
It seems you have taken all the innovation of one suppler with all the customer service of another.
Brilliant.
customer service a company beginning with B
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I have seen one today in the flesh and i had it fully extended looks very good. just a miner fault the gardiners carbon gooseneck will not fit the top of the facelift poles.
Perhaps this is for a reason maybe facelift have got plans for their own carbon fibre goosenecks ;) ;)
Paul
I would of thought this is not good if you are hoping to Gardiner customers buying your
poles.Its just more exspence.
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If it's not in Stock then you shouldnt be able to buy it unless it clearly says pre-order and an expected date I shipping
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
You could not make this up.
So after all the hype, no poles.
It seems you have taken all the innovation of one suppler with all the customer service of another.
Brilliant.
customer service a company beginning with B
oh yes.
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o dear o dear,do some of these companys never learn ;) ;D ;D ;D
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What annoys me is that mike@facelift has been asked on more than 1 occasion as to wether the gardiner carbon fibre goose neck would fit their pole, and this has never been answered, he said he would find out, but IMHO he knew full well that it doesn't, and realises that he would loose potential first sales by telling us this, I was going to order one of these poles as I liked to look of the clamps and seem like a genuinely good pole, but it seems like their customer service is not so good, and that I just as important as the product they are selling. :-\
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What annoys me is that mike@facelift has been asked on more than 1 occasion as to wether the gardiner carbon fibre goose neck would fit their pole, and this has never been answered, he said he would find out, but IMHO he knew full well that it doesn't, and realises that he would loose potential first sales by telling us this, I was going to order one of these poles as I liked to look of the clamps and seem like a genuinely good pole, but it seems like their customer service is not so good, and that I just as important as the product they are selling. :-\
i second that, i send him an e mail, yesterday about this and he hasn't replied yet ???
Bring back BOSHRAVIE ;D
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In answer to all your questions....
A) The Gardiner goosenecks do not fit... sorry for the delay in getting this info...
B) Everyone who has e-mailed me about the poles has had an accurate reply regarding delivery dates and where the poles are available..
C) Dani J I don't believe I have had an e-mail about the Gardiner goosenecks...
D) Delivery dates given have been accurate and as expected with pre orders are not as quick as we usually operate...
I am sure the wait will be worth while when you see the poles. We will be operating on next day service as normal once the pre orders are dealt with...
My E-mail address is on every post feel free to ask me anymore questions....
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
E-mail me please Steve and I will get the delivery date for your order. Thanks
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What annoys me is that mike@facelift has been asked on more than 1 occasion as to wether the gardiner carbon fibre goose neck would fit their pole, and this has never been answered, he said he would find out, but IMHO he knew full well that it doesn't, and realises that he would loose potential first sales by telling us this, I was going to order one of these poles as I liked to look of the clamps and seem like a genuinely good pole, but it seems like their customer service is not so good, and that I just as important as the product they are selling. :-\
Lee , you can fit the Gardiner gooseneck but it is not ideal as you have to remove the top section of pole, see picture in link:-
http://postimage.org/image/pt0qhj3cz/
So really you would lose a section and some of the pole length, but we can accommodate this for customers and reduce the price if they would like to do so.
I not sure about the comments on customer service as these poles are not available on the Facelift website (?) - you can only order through Mike and by phoning through to the office. Everyone who has phoned, (and there has been a lot!) has been told the same - it is preorder only and then given a approximate date of delivery. These poles are in stock but it is not the official launch, kind of like going to see a film before it's nationwide release, previews as it were. Hope this makes sense.
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WCM is looking forward to getting the Phoenix pole...... ;D
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When is the October Mag out Lee?
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What annoys me is that mike@facelift has been asked on more than 1 occasion as to wether the gardiner carbon fibre goose neck would fit their pole, and this has never been answered, he said he would find out, but IMHO he knew full well that it doesn't, and realises that he would loose potential first sales by telling us this, I was going to order one of these poles as I liked to look of the clamps and seem like a genuinely good pole, but it seems like their customer service is not so good, and that I just as important as the product they are selling. :-\
Lee , you can fit the Gardiner gooseneck but it is not ideal as you have to remove the top section of pole, see picture in link:-
http://postimage.org/image/pt0qhj3cz/
So really you would lose a section and some of the pole length, but we can accommodate this for customers and reduce the price if they would like to do so.
I not sure about the comments on customer service as these poles are not available on the Facelift website (?) - you can only order through Mike and by phoning through to the office. Everyone who has phoned, (and there has been a lot!) has been told the same - it is preorder only and then given a approximate date of delivery. These poles are in stock but it is not the official launch, kind of like going to see a film before it's nationwide release, previews as it were. Hope this makes sense.
That makes a lot of sense to me now, by the way your website doesn't work ;)
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What annoys me is that mike@facelift has been asked on more than 1 occasion as to wether the gardiner carbon fibre goose neck would fit their pole, and this has never been answered, he said he would find out, but IMHO he knew full well that it doesn't, and realises that he would loose potential first sales by telling us this, I was going to order one of these poles as I liked to look of the clamps and seem like a genuinely good pole, but it seems like their customer service is not so good, and that I just as important as the product they are selling. :-\
Lee , you can fit the Gardiner gooseneck but it is not ideal as you have to remove the top section of pole, see picture in link:-
http://postimage.org/image/pt0qhj3cz/
So really you would lose a section and some of the pole length, but we can accommodate this for customers and reduce the price if they would like to do so.
I not sure about the comments on customer service as these poles are not available on the Facelift website (?) - you can only order through Mike and by phoning through to the office. Everyone who has phoned, (and there has been a lot!) has been told the same - it is preorder only and then given a approximate date of delivery. These poles are in stock but it is not the official launch, kind of like going to see a film before it's nationwide release, previews as it were. Hope this makes sense.
That makes a lot of sense to me now, by the way your website doesn't work ;)
Its currently undergoing a Facelift.... ;)
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well at least you come on a forum a talk mike@facelift cheers 8) 8)
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If it's not in Stock then you shouldnt be able to buy it unless it clearly says pre-order and an expected date I shipping
Thats why we haven't put them on the Facelift website yet. You can't order them from there only over the phone, where you will be told approx date of delivery. (in fact a load went out today)
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What annoys me is that mike@facelift has been asked on more than 1 occasion as to wether the gardiner carbon fibre goose neck would fit their pole, and this has never been answered, he said he would find out, but IMHO he knew full well that it doesn't, and realises that he would loose potential first sales by telling us this, I was going to order one of these poles as I liked to look of the clamps and seem like a genuinely good pole, but it seems like their customer service is not so good, and that I just as important as the product they are selling. :-\
Lee , you can fit the Gardiner gooseneck but it is not ideal as you have to remove the top section of pole, see picture in link:-
http://postimage.org/image/pt0qhj3cz/
So really you would lose a section and some of the pole length, but we can accommodate this for customers and reduce the price if they would like to do so.
I not sure about the comments on customer service as these poles are not available on the Facelift website (?) - you can only order through Mike and by phoning through to the office. Everyone who has phoned, (and there has been a lot!) has been told the same - it is preorder only and then given a approximate date of delivery. These poles are in stock but it is not the official launch, kind of like going to see a film before it's nationwide release, previews as it were. Hope this makes sense.
That makes a lot of sense to me now, by the way your website doesn't work ;)
Its currently undergoing a Facelift.... ;)
No I didn’t mean your website, I meant Stephen fox . :)
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I have seen one today in the flesh and i had it fully extended looks very good. just a miner fault the gardiners carbon gooseneck will not fit the top of the facelift poles.
Perhaps this is for a reason maybe facelift have got plans for their own carbon fibre goosenecks ;) ;)
Paul
I would of thought this is not good if you are hoping to Gardiner customers buying your
poles.Its just more exspence.
To be honest we are not overly concerned with other companies products being compatible with ours, a gooseneck or pole for that matter, wont last forever. Technology moves on. Our main goal at the new Facelift it to produce products that are better than what is available, otherwise what is the point!?
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No I didn’t mean your website, I meant Stephen fox . :)
Cheers Dani, sorted it now!
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No I didn’t mean your website, I meant Stephen fox . :)
Cheers Dani, sorted it now!
You welcome :)
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
You could not make this up.
So after all the hype, no poles.
It seems you have taken all the innovation of one suppler with all the customer service of another.
Brilliant.
This is a little hard to swallow..........
Not sure you are actually a customer or not, so commenting on our customer service with no first hand experience...?? There are poles, and in stock, but you can only order over the phone or with Mike direct. Everyone who has ordered is fully informed and aware of this.
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I have seen one today in the flesh and i had it fully extended looks very good. just a miner fault the gardiners carbon gooseneck will not fit the top of the facelift poles.
Perhaps this is for a reason maybe facelift have got plans for their own carbon fibre goosenecks ;) ;)
Paul
Precisely! We have one now in prototype...
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
You could not make this up.
So after all the hype, no poles.
It seems you have taken all the innovation of one suppler with all the customer service of another.
Brilliant.
This is a little hard to swallow..........
Not sure you are actually a customer or not, so commenting on our customer service with no first hand experience...?? There are poles, and in stock, but you can only order over the phone or with Mike direct. Everyone who has ordered is fully informed and aware of this.
are you polarbrite as well ? as there online no arranged dates
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
You could not make this up.
So after all the hype, no poles.
It seems you have taken all the innovation of one suppler with all the customer service of another.
Brilliant.
This is a little hard to swallow..........
Not sure you are actually a customer or not, so commenting on our customer service with no first hand experience...?? There are poles, and in stock, but you can only order over the phone or with Mike direct. Everyone who has ordered is fully informed and aware of this.
are you polarbrite as well ? as there online no arranged dates
No, Polarbrite is a distributor of Facelift.
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Any pictures, or video of the pole?
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Yes, here is Lee's original video:-
http://youtu.be/hSXW1KIiP1Y
Here is a simple demo of the pole in action:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-2dfQNywI&feature=plcp
and here is a downloadable PDF
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxY9sRIZ4IYGZHN3R0lVQk5CalE
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Losing the plot, saw the videos before, definitely looks a good pole and I would be interested in buying one. Will Arthur at Sure Clean be stocking them? Or how much would it cost to ship to Ireland?
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When is the October Mag out Lee?
Next couple of days ;D Mike just finishing off..... It should be ready for the weekend to read.
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Lets hope, for the sake of the pre-orderers that it's a better offering than Unger's effort on the worlds best pole only a few short weeks ago!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Losing the plot, saw the videos before, definitely looks a good pole and I would be interested in buying one. Will Arthur at Sure Clean be stocking them? Or how much would it cost to ship to Ireland?
I'm hoping Sureclean will carry the range, if not one of our fine distributors will happily ship to Northern Ireland...
Email me please so I can keep you informed...
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one of our fine distributors will happily ship to Northern Ireland...
Yes, happily ;D
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anyone got one of these new poles? seems to be sold out on some sites someone must have one.
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Monday ;D
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Monday ;D
which one have you ordered
james
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anyone got one of these new poles? seems to be sold out on some sites someone must have one.
Its got to be good then that it sold out already :)
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18 ft carbon
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be sure to drop a review on...
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any news on the pole we ordered mike, was ordered last week to arrive this week
You could not make this up.
So after all the hype, no poles.
It seems you have taken all the innovation of one suppler with all the customer service of another.
Brilliant.
This is a little hard to swallow..........
Not sure you are actually a customer or not, so commenting on our customer service with no first hand experience...?? There are poles, and in stock, but you can only order over the phone or with Mike direct. Everyone who has ordered is fully informed and aware of this.
Hey Stephen,
Don't worry too much about it. I did write seems. I have been a customer before, I bought an 18' glass fibre jobbie that you had launched at the cleaning show in Coventry 4 or 5 years ago. It had those funny clamps on it.
The customer service bit was aimed at this thread, people asking questions and not getting answers.
Punish someone you know who is not in this industry to read this thread and let them tell you how it comes across.
Always nice to have competition in the industry so thanks and Ive brought you back to the top. ;D
Art
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Thanks for bringing us back to the top!
I'm sure everyone who asked a question on here or via E-mail has had the answers they needed... If not let me know and I will help straight away....
Feel free to keep the enquiry's coming.... had plenty today!
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Hey Stephen,
Don't worry too much about it. I did write seems. I have been a customer before, I bought an 18' glass fibre jobbie that you had launched at the cleaning show in Coventry 4 or 5 years ago. It had those funny clamps on it.
The customer service bit was aimed at this thread, people asking questions and not getting answers.
Punish someone you know who is not in this industry to read this thread and let them tell you how it comes across.
Always nice to have competition in the industry so thanks and Ive brought you back to the top. ;D
Art
Cheers Art. ;D
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Are the Facelift clamps bonded on or clamped?
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Are the Facelift clamps bonded on or clamped?
The clamps are bonded on with a secret formula.... :)