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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Gary nee on May 09, 2012, 03:20:12 pm
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wow this pole rocks, it is better than i expected.
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Better than a Harris pole or about the same?
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Looks crap and i bet it is to anyone who knows what a DECENT pole is.
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wow this pole rocks, it is better than i expected.
who supplies it ???
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better than all ive worked with, and you can easily have your hose on the outside of the pole, with these clamps, which save the mud etc going inside. The clamps are superb.
WOW................................... that really is revolutionary. :-X
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wow this pole rocks, it is better than i expected.
who supplies it ???
I've never heard of it.
Is it Unger perchance? :D
I thought Gary might've been something to do with Unger, so I'm just guessing.
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ermmm how long have we been using pole on the outside tosh ;)
revolutionary my butt ;D
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The length and weights are not great the gardiners clx is lighter.
Why would you make a pole that weighs more than the competitions idots :o :o
Paul
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ermmm how long have we been using pole on the outside tosh ;)
revolutionary my butt ;D
I only ever usually use a pole on the outside of buildings; sometimes internal with a wagtail.
If you mean 'pole hose', yeh, I've always pretty much used an external pole hose. It's the easiest and quickest way to work with far more positives than negatives. It may take a little bit of getting used to though, but it's well worth it.
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When did you get it gary? did it not only come out on
youre there website today ???
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I remember now :o
This hideous looking thing with about four kilos of nuts and bolts holding it together.
http://www.windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk/blog/latest-images-of-the-new-unger-hiflo-nlite/
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ermmm how long have we been using pole on the outside tosh ;)
revolutionary my butt ;D
I only ever usually use a pole on the outside of buildings; sometimes internal with a wagtail.
If you mean 'pole hose', yeh, I've always pretty much used an external pole hose. It's the easiest and quickest way to work with far more positives than negatives. It may take a little bit of getting used to though, but it's well worth it.
I HAD TO WORK THIS WAY ONCE, WHEN I PULLED MY HOSE THROUGH THE POLE AND COULD NOT RETHREAD IT....I HATED EVERY MINUTE OF IT! ITS BAD ENOUGH HAVING TO DO IT USING THE SL2 VERY OCCASIONALLY. EACH TO THEIR OWN BUT I RECKON YOU ARE A TINY MINORITY WITH THIS ONE.
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That's funny, it hasn't come out yet and polarbrite have sold out.
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I HAD TO WORK THIS WAY ONCE, WHEN I PULLED MY HOSE THROUGH THE POLE AND COULD NOT RETHREAD IT....I HATED EVERY MINUTE OF IT! ITS BAD ENOUGH HAVING TO DO IT USING THE SL2 VERY OCCASIONALLY. EACH TO THEIR OWN BUT I RECKON YOU ARE A TINY MINORITY WITH THIS ONE.
Anything 'new' is awkward to begin with. Do you remember what it was like trying to learn how to use a squeegy? At first doing 'pull down strokes' is easier and you may have hated 'fanning', but as time goes on, and you get better, fanning is far superior to 'pull down strokes'.
I've used internal pole hose, I've used taps, I've used the Aquadapter; external pole hose is superior to all that. It's cheap, simple (less to go wrong), quicker, doesn't get dirt up your internals (dirty internals isn't good). There's nothing to hate!
Maybe you're cack-handed though? And I think your forehead must've bumped the caps lock button as you were typing.
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I DO IT TO ANNOY JOBSWORTH MODS :-* ;D
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wow this pole rocks, it is better than i expected.
Shills are accepted on the forum now?
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I just had a closer look at this unger pole, there is a main pole THE MASTER POLE they call it.
Its 22ft and other sections can be added. interestingly the master pole weighs 1.7k the same as a SLX30 and I wouldnt mind betting the SLX would be cheaper too.
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I DO IT TO ANNOY JOBSWORTH MODS :-* ;D
;D
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That's funny, it hasn't come out yet and polarbrite have sold out.
Marketing hype from the GARDINER haters.
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wow this pole rocks, it is better than i expected.
who supplies it ???
soap national
wcw
cleaning spot
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So Ungers n-litened sooper-dooper 22 footer weighs the same as an SLX-30?
So the pole I bought 4 years ago and am still using daily (and which I can extend with an add on section and if I went mad could use with the hose outside) and which is 8 feet longer than the new Unger is better?
Don't get me started if I bought an extreme!
Bwah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahah!
Come on Unger Knee tell me I've got it wrong and why ...
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Looks poor to me. Those clamps insted of getting caught on guttering would proberbly rip it off, along with the side of the house.
The poorest thing though is to get a plant to hype it up.
We can see its heavy and see through your poor marketing.
Unger, we are not all as dim as your marketing dept.
Art
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It says "22ft reach" so I am assuming the actual pole is around 18ft.
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What a pole you have to try it ;)
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22 ft reach so it is about 18 ft, got me self a clx 18 for that cost around 100 never let me down and is weighs about as much as nicole richie
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I wonder if David Moss likes it, too.
Gary, my mother's maiden name was Nee, too. She's Griffin nee Nee.
Up the Canaries.
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How many tax credits will I need to cash in for a 44' green 'un then?
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Oh I no mrs new nee, no relative just a coincidence , down the Ipswich town, up the canaries , I guess all others on here support Chelsea, man u, arsenal , sheep you see!
down with the naaarich scum!
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wow this pole rocks, it is better than i expected.
who supplies it ???
soap national
wcw
cleaning spot
Hi Gary, thanks to you mentioning these three suppliers i got to have a gander at the poles they have available. I havn't looked at them for a while. I couldn't seem to find any unger n lite poles for sale at all. I did find that www.polarbrite.co.uk have anounced they will have them soon. They where the only ones with prices on that i could see. The Unger poles are priced quite a bit higher than other similar ranged poles available from gardiners or The Waterfed Pole Companys 'Elite ' range.
I'm curious as to how you got your hands on one when Unger have recently announced this.........
Unger are set to release the nLite range of water fed poles and components. No-one actually knows what Unger have up their sleeve until the launch date (8th May) in Amsterdam.
But now they have given us the snap shots and info of it i'm not sure it lives up to the hype , and, yes admittedley i havn't even had one in my hands.
Is this the Game Changer?
Water Fed Poles have been around for a few years now. While we have seen sizeable changes in pole weight, clamps, etc There still a lot of room for improvement. We have yet to see a pole of all poles, a clear winner. That maybe about to change.
I'm not so sure its abut to change with this Unger pole. It looks to me like they have almost copied the exact lateral clamp from gardiners, only they've made it more bulky. They also appear to have imitated the same clamp design and goosneck/fitting design that Gardiners use. Nothing wrong with that, to me, but i'm not sure that Unger claiming things are about to change on behalf of their new pole is an accurate description of who is leading the design.
Besides, i'm not a fan of these 'lateral clamps', i much prefer the more 'ergonomic' xtel pole clamps. Although Unger appear to be unphased by the use of a lateral clamp which appears more bulky than other lateral clamps, and definatley more bulky and less ergonomic than the other type clamps and proudly announce "yet the weight and ergonomics of the system still make it a pleasure to use". Maybe there's another aspect to 'ergonomic' that i'm missing. Anyway i'm uncertain as to what you expected from this pole when you say it exceeded your expectations, at first glance it appears heavier, less ergonomic and more expensive than anything in its class?
I know what you mean about people on here being like sheep over Gardiners products though. I think others are at it too !!! Look at the Carbon Modulite Modular Pole 36 foot for sale here
http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/Carbon_fibre_water_fed_pole.html
and tell me at first glance what does it look like, and whos style of signwriting does it immediatley remind you of ? ;D ;D
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good post mike cam.
Just so im not branded a sheep, i have been using GARDINER products way before i joined any forum. some people take the fanaticism a bit far, but on the other hand any tradesman whatever the trade likes to use the best tools, think snap on for mechanics. makita drills etc(could be wrong there ???) and when it comes to poles im affraid it is gardiners.
Are we sheep? or do the majority just recognise the best when they see it?
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wow this pole rocks, it is better than i expected.
You didn't have very high expectations then!
I can only assume you've never been so fortunate as to be graced by the presence of a Gardiner Xtreme? ;D
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better than all ive worked with, and you can easily have your hose on the outside of the pole, with these clamps, which save the mud etc going inside. The clamps are superb.
Hi Gary, incase you missed my question in my long winded response where did you get hold of your Unger pole, i can't find any for sale since their announced release yesterday?
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That's funny, it hasn't come out yet and polarbrite have sold out.
Marketing hype from the GARDINER haters.
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impossible no such thing as a gardiner hater
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I'm in holland , I did announce I was coming here!
You are in holland in what capacity? Exhibitor or buyer/customer?
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I'm in holland , I did announce I was coming here!
You are in holland in what capacity? Exhibitor or buyer/customer?
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He's got his new pole being released ;D
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I'm in holland , I did announce I was coming here!
You are in holland in what capacity? Exhibitor or buyer/customer?
STONER ID SAY BUY HIS TASTE IN POLES ;D
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I'm in holland , I did announce I was coming here!
do you not like gardiners stuff. gary
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Hi Gary - guess what I've just bought with my tax credits and dole money which I get from being on here all day? Was it an Unger? Was it an Ionics? Was it a Brodex?
No - it's a Gardiners Extreme 47 and extensions! So that's three Gardiners poles now - SLX22/SLX30 and extension and now this.
Still got my Unger teleplus and Unger squeegee though. ;D
Baaaa! Baaaa!
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You no what I'm here looking at a 500 psi carpet cleaner, however as a person with a cleaning business that does window cleaning too, I've been looking forward to seeing this new pole, I own a few different poles, however I'm giving an honest opinion of what I've seen.
Your all so defensive, suspicious , and easy to wind up, honestly go canvassing get some work.
You're in Holland, on a "Jolly" at 10.30pm and you're spending time on this forum?? ?? ??
And you think we're sad? ;D
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i ve looked around all different stuff out there and the gardiner range seems so well conceived . alex has put a lot of thought into his products . to me his company is the market leader and its up to the brodex /ionics /unger to catch up. imo
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Come and see us , if any ones here, at vyne, you can share our malbec , 14.5% you no.
That explains the quality of your posts!
In a bar with your mates and you're on here talking at us? ;D
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I'm sitting here with mates, in a bar, having a hoot at the sheep, that's all goldilocks .
Sat in a bar......in Amsterdam.........with your mates............posting on a window cleaning forum.
Sounds like a wild night.
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I'm sitting here with mates, in a bar, having a hoot at the sheep, that's all goldilocks .
Has the coffee ban for aliens started yet?
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Hi Gary - guess what I've just bought with my tax credits and dole money which I get from being on here all day? Was it an Unger? Was it an Ionics? Was it a Brodex?
No - it's a Gardiners Extreme 47 and extensions! So that's three Gardiners poles now - SLX22/SLX30 and extension and now this.
Still got my Unger teleplus and Unger squeegee though. ;D
Baaaa! Baaaa!
Gardiners do extensions? I'm thinning a bit on top (well, a lot) so, I might look at them.
I hope they're not made from Alex's 'tash hair, though.
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Hes gotta be stoned !
Rich
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Hes gotta be stoned !
Rich
A bit harsh, innit? I know he's anti- Gardiners, but come on.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Hi Gary - guess what I've just bought with my tax credits and dole money which I get from being on here all day? Was it an Unger? Was it an Ionics? Was it a Brodex?
No - it's a Gardiners Extreme 47 and extensions! So that's three Gardiners poles now - SLX22/SLX30 and extension and now this.
Still got my Unger teleplus and Unger squeegee though. ;D
Baaaa! Baaaa!
Gardiners do extensions? I'm thinning a bit on top (well, a lot) so, I might look at them.
I hope they're not made from Alex's 'tash hair, though.
;D
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I'm sitting here with mates, in a bar, having a hoot at the sheep, that's all goldilocks .
Hi Gary,
given your attempt at outing this revolutionary new pole, and, given the response you've had i think i would claim to be in a bar getting a few drinks with my mates too. The Waterfed pole company seem to be a good contender (to gardiners ) for medium height poles and the Carbon Modulite Modular Pole from cleaning spot looks like a contender for a lightweight modular pole (not sure why thats had no reviews or intros on here as it looks good). But you can shove that Unger one where the sun don't shine !!!! I do mean that politeley of course, there's loads of new stuff out, good looking stuff too and you bring us this Unger thing? You're definatley not cutting edge. If i never knew any better i'd think you where Craig.
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I would welome a test pole to give an honest review on it, if it is that good, I will video it in action to show others
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I would welome a test pole to give an honest review on it, if it is that good, I will video it in action to show others
Thats gonna be you're first problem, what company given the competition is gonna want an honest review?
Give it to an SLX user they're gonna say its a heavy pole and its more expensive than what they have. Give it to a Extel fibreGlass user, or alloy brodex high pole user they'll all say its the mutts nuts and well worth the money. Now if i was Ungers PR guy, i know who i would give it to to review and it wouldn't be any smart arse from this site !!!
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I would welome a test pole to give an honest review on it, if it is that good, I will video it in action to show others
Thats gonna be you're first problem, what company given the competition is gonna want an honest review?
Give it to an SLX user they're gonna say its a heavy pole and its more expensive than what they have. Give it to a Extel fibreGlass user, or alloy brodex high pole user they'll all say its the mutts nuts and well worth the money. Now if i was Ungers PR guy, i know who i would give it to to review and it wouldn't be any smart arse from this site !!!
A company that can stand by thier word, I they say it is the best then proof is in the pudding, I have all the said poles, if it is good it will show in a review will it not, I dont blow smoke up anyones "bum" I am tied to know supplier, Gardiners are good but there will always be something new, I am not adverse to try anything new.
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I would welome a test pole to give an honest review on it, if it is that good, I will video it in action to show others
Thats gonna be you're first problem, what company given the competition is gonna want an honest review?
Give it to an SLX user they're gonna say its a heavy pole and its more expensive than what they have. Give it to a Extel fibreGlass user, or alloy brodex high pole user they'll all say its the mutts nuts and well worth the money. Now if i was Ungers PR guy, i know who i would give it to to review and it wouldn't be any smart arse from this site !!!
A company that can stand by thier word, I they say it is the best then proof is in the pudding, I have all the said poles, if it is good it will show in a review will it not, I dont blow smoke up anyones "bum" I am tied to know supplier, Gardiners are good but there will always be something new, I am not adverse to try anything new.
Just you keep going talking yourself out of a job reviewing a pole by mentioning proof in the pudding.. We already know 'cause they told us its 50%lighter than 'conventional poles', ergonomic and revolutionary !!! £329(excluding VAT) for a 22 foot Carbon Fibre pole that weighs 1.6KG. Revolutionary alright, they aint got that bit wrong !!!
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I would welome a test pole to give an honest review on it, if it is that good, I will video it in action to show others
Thats gonna be you're first problem, what company given the competition is gonna want an honest review?
Give it to an SLX user they're gonna say its a heavy pole and its more expensive than what they have. Give it to a Extel fibreGlass user, or alloy brodex high pole user they'll all say its the mutts nuts and well worth the money. Now if i was Ungers PR guy, i know who i would give it to to review and it wouldn't be any smart arse from this site !!!
A company that can stand by thier word, I they say it is the best then proof is in the pudding, I have all the said poles, if it is good it will show in a review will it not, I dont blow smoke up anyones "bum" I am tied to know supplier, Gardiners are good but there will always be something new, I am not adverse to try anything new.
Just you keep going talking yourself out of a job reviewing a pole by mentioning proof in the pudding.. We already know 'cause they told us its 50%lighter than 'conventional poles', ergonomic and revolutionary !!! £329(excluding VAT) for a 22 foot Carbon Fibre pole that weighs 1.6KG. Revolutionary alright, they aint got that bit wrong !!!
I am not taking my way out of it Mike as I am not assed either way, but blowing smoke into holes aint my thing a review from someone that does is next to useless and it shows in a negative light, look at Gardiners Alex puts him self out there for a critic and learns from it. If there is a lesson to be learnt hes on it hes a clever bloke/ business man thats why his poles are the best on the market right now, feedaback negaitve or positive is all good for any business, i guess some dont see this though ;)
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http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
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http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
the brushes look interesting, although 10 jets wtf ?
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http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
after reading that i now what the N stands for in n lite. THE NOT LITE FROM UNGER. i will stick with my harris pole.
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http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
after reading that i now what the N stands for in n lite. THE NOT LITE FROM UNGER. i will stick with my harris pole.
Perhaps it's been wrongly named and should be the n lith ( short for neolith )
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I have had a very quick look at the link and i think there are a few good ideas in there.
Telescopic working hieght 22ft But then you just add more sections Mod style if working on higher windows.(1 pole all jobs)
This is why they have them funny hose holders on the side of the pole .
The ease of removing/changing parts looks good also.
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I have had a very quick look at the link and i think there are a few good ideas in there.
Telescopic working hieght 22ft But then you just add more sections Mod style if working on higher windows.(1 pole all jobs)
This is why they have them funny hose holders on the side of the pole .
The ease of removing/changing parts looks good also.
Yes i agree.
I also think that the carbon weave looks very similar to the original SLX pole. If this is the case, i would think the pole will last a while, as my original is still on the original sections.
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the unger brushes and poles are a lot heavier than my SLX/CLX poles/supalite brushes so i wont be investing in this equipment as it would simply make my working day harder!!
so im OUT!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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for that reason im out also .
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http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
I think I saw the word HYBRID in a couple of places deep in the specifications
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They should stick to making squeegees
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This pole will sell to the uninitiated because it is Unger.
But look at this comparison on weight - anyone know the prices?
Unger's HiMod Carbon at 44ft 2900gm
Gardiner SMax 45 2800gm
Gardiners Extreme 47 2350gm
I like the idea of fan and pencil jets in the same brush head and allowing you to connect to those you want to use. If that can be done with no weight disadvantage that is an excellent idea.
If I had been in control at Unger I'd have offered Gardiner's shareholders a squillion quid to buy them out, kept him and a small team on for a couple of years to develop poles and learn how to look after customers and everyone would be a winner.
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the unger brushes are heavy though!500g-600g!!! :o :o :o :o :o
brick on the end of ya pole springs to mind!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Can't you guys post up links for where you get your information from?
It's not difficult; right click, copy, right click paste. Even a lazy Geordie who is too lazy to google information could do it.
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the unger brushes are heavy though!500g-600g!!! :o :o :o :o :o
brick on the end of ya pole springs to mind!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
No actually Dazmong, they are 205g. Lighter than most of Gardiners
;D
The lightest is 245g (complete) not 205g, then the next lightest is 300g, they sound pretty heavy to me.
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the unger brushes are heavy though!500g-600g!!! :o :o :o :o :o
brick on the end of ya pole springs to mind!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
No actually Dazmong, they are 205g. Lighter than most of Gardiners
;D
The lightest is 245g (complete) not 205g, then the next lightest is 300g, they sound pretty heavy to me.
Lee, Mr Industry said they are 205g LIGHTER than most of Gardiner's; not that they weigh 205g.
Linky?
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When you are working over 35 ft the most important thing is stiffness not just how lite the pole is, that's why I love Alex because he's pole is super stiff
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that's why I love Alex because he's pole is super stiff
Is there something else you'd like to offload?
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the unger brushes are heavy though!500g-600g!!! :o :o :o :o :o
brick on the end of ya pole springs to mind!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
No actually Dazmong, they are 205g. Lighter than most of Gardiners
;D
The lightest is 245g (complete) not 205g, then the next lightest is 300g, they sound pretty heavy to me.
Lee, Mr Industry said they are 205g LIGHTER than most of Gardiner's; not that they weigh 205g.
Linky?
No, there is a full stop there.
Here's a link http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/
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have to say the video is impressive.
no prices though
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I would say there is more thought and 'design' in those than any other brush. By, a long way.
Does a brush need to have much thought or design? I use a superlite, and I can't think how that can be improved upon by much at all. It cleans the glass and my two pencil jets rinse it. Does a lilly need gilding?
The poles, well, just need to try them out I guess. They look different, at least.
They're heavier by quite a bit.
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Water-Fed_Poles.html
http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
Gardiner SLX (reach 22 foot) = 950g
nLite (reach 22 foot) = 1.7 k
Apologies for misreading your earlier post!
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These are nLite brushes:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/2012-05-11_23-30_UngernLite.jpg)
These are a couple of Gardiner brushes:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/2012-05-11_23-34_WindowCleaningBrushes.jpg)
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I would say there is more thought and 'design' in those than any other brush. By, a long way.
Does a brush need to have much thought or design? I use a superlite, and I can't think how that can be improved upon by much at all. It cleans the glass and my two pencil jets rinse it. Does a lilly need gilding?
The poles, well, just need to try them out I guess. They look different, at least.
They're heavier by quite a bit.
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Water-Fed_Poles.html
http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
Gardiner SLX (reach 22 foot) = 950g
nLite (reach 22 foot) = 1.7 k
Apologies for misreading your earlier post!
No your comparing to different lengths. The Unger is 22ft the slx your comparing is 4ft shorter.
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I would say there is more thought and 'design' in those than any other brush. By, a long way.
Does a brush need to have much thought or design? I use a superlite, and I can't think how that can be improved upon by much at all. It cleans the glass and my two pencil jets rinse it. Does a lilly need gilding?
The poles, well, just need to try them out I guess. They look different, at least.
They're heavier by quite a bit.
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Water-Fed_Poles.html
http://www.ungerglobal.com/nlite/uk/?skip=yes
Gardiner SLX (reach 22 foot) = 950g
nLite (reach 22 foot) = 1.7 k
Apologies for misreading your earlier post!
No your comparing to different lengths. The Unger is 22ft the slx your comparing is 4ft shorter.
But is the Unger stated length "reach" or "actual"? If "reach then it IS more comparable to the slx 18 as the unger will probably be 19ft actual length.
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How do you know that it's more rigid
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Dissect what you like, the Unger pole is heavier, more expensive and less ergonomic than most other poles in its class.
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If Unger have managed to make a pole that is reasonably light but stiffer than The pole that Alex sells then they really will be on a winner, but that is a very big if.
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No your comparing to different lengths. The Unger is 22ft the slx your comparing is 4ft shorter.
Are you sure? It says it cleans UPTO a height of 22ft, if the pole was 22ft, it would clean to a higher height because of the height of the body.
So from this, I assumed it was 18ft:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Reach.jpg)
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Yeah, it's four sections.
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Are you going to get one? It would be good to hear a report from someone whose used both Gardiner poles and the nLite.
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I doubt it! Hahaha
Window washers would be best reviewing both, he seems pretty balanced view point wise.
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I doubt it! Hahaha
Window washers would be best reviewing both, he seems pretty balanced view point wise.
I wonder if they will send me one out, I have an slx so would be great good to test them side by side
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Yeah, actual length, top to tail and it is more rigid than an slx an extreme
More rigid then an Xtreme even though specs say otherwise? I'd love to see that.
I like Unger for striving forward, but I don't like suppliers/manufacturers coming on a public forum saying their products are better without factual information. Bit obvious to see what's happening here.
Like Tosh pointed out, I bet that 22' is not actual pole length. There would be no way Unger would say that unless it's 22' reach, rather then an actual 22' pole. I'd like to be wrong though, picture with tape measure would suffice.
As far as I can see the actual extension sections aren't telescopic either? So, Unger is back to a modular design over 22'? If so, what's the use in that? Even for domestics I would need to carry an extension section with me. For that reason I'd be most definitely out. Also for that reason I wouldn't want to start comparing true telescopic poles to these poles.
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ive got absolutely nothing against unger at all but as ive been using gardiners poles and brushes for over a year now why would i go anywhere else?
alex s customer service is second to none,most of his products are good quality and reasonably priced and they are very light making my day easier due to less strain.
its seems to me unger have over engineered it.its a pole for god sake!!
im not saying they wont be good poles and brushes but i bet they come in at a much higher price tag,probably on par with ionic poles.oh and did i mention their brushes and poles combined will be heavier than an equivalent gardiners pole and brush?
weight IS EVERYTHING when using poles and brushes so thats why alex will be getting my hard earned money for future equipment.
also companies that state ACTUAL LENGTH poles are held in much higher esteem in my book!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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Hahahaha. This is exactly the type of post that is ruining this fourm. I am here to put some balance into the world. ;D No offence Tim, and I mean that sincerly but lets break down what you've said.
How can I ruin a forum by stating the obvious? If I was ruining the forum I'd be banned. Every large forum has got shills, there have been many on here before, and usually it's quite easy to recognize what's happening.
What specs are you on about? There are actual measurement on the Unger site to show how ridgid the poles are which can be applied to any pole. I've read somewhere that the top section is wider than pretty much all other poles that will also make it more ridgid. This is actual phyics.
Your statement was that the SLX and Xtreme was less rigid, not a "oh I read this and that so I concluded that it was better then SL-X and Xtreme" I was merely asking what facts you based your original statement on and back it up. From what I see an Xtreme is the far better pole.
Who says anyone on here works for Unger or anyone else for that matter? This is something Mr Gardiner does all the time! But I guess it's ok for him.
I say so, nothing new though. As for Alex Gardiner, he offers supports on his products on here, which is highly welcomed. He does not promote his own products or gives other suppliers or their products a bad rep. That's against forum rules to begin with. He also doesn't hide his real identity behind forum aliases, like some on here.
This is again completely unfounded thing to say. It's 4 sections at 22ft, which means each section will be around 5.7ft ish?? Have a look at the pics on karls site.
http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/unger-hiflo-nlite-water-fed-pole.html
Not at all unfounded. I can name a lot of suppliers who now and in the past quote exactly the reach and not of the actual pole. Most suppliers have been guilty of this. So tell me how that is unfounded? In my opinion it's misleading customers. Ungers statement is very specific, and is used frequently by said suppliers. 4 sections at 22ft doesn't actually mean with most suppliers it's actual 22ft pole length. Nowhere does it mention it actually has a actual 22" pole length. Where does it say otherwise? I''ll read it again in a minute, but pretty sure the words actual pole length were not mentioned.
Yes they are telescopic, it clearly says so in the write up. 11ft extra (2 x 5.5ft)??
Actually, they throw the word modular around a lot, even on the Robinsons blogspot promo. Most people when they use the word modular refer to SL2 or fishing pole modular sections, as opposed to telescopic. Easy to understand it that way. It was a normal question.
Actually, this is a very good point. With the pole being 22ft your only going to get around 25ft realistic working length, adding extentions on domestic work would be a real pain. If fact I would say it would rule out a lot of people buying it for that reason. I don't think they thought of that! Good spot!
Sarcasm, but okay. Adding modular extension sections would be a pain. There is no problem with telescopic sections as it's common practice.
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From what I can see from looking at the pictures and comparing the poles and brushes, it does look like the length is 22ft actual length, if that is the case then it is refreshing that at least another supplier is being honest with their stated pole lengths.
However it is a shame that the poles are so heavy, it seems that they have decided to start with larger diameter pole sections, this will of course add more weight to the top of the pole which means that the pole needs to be strengthened by adding even more material to increase rigidity.
They also seem to go on quite a bit about Length Deflection Ratio / RIGIDITY CALCULATION which is a test that they invented themselves to show how rigid their poles are. The test is made by using a 5 kilo weight in the middle of an extended pole and then applying a calculation. As we know when a company designs its own test then it will normally show their products in a better light. I think the best test of rigidity is to extend the poles and compare them at an acute angle.
It does look like a lot of time has gone into the design, it's just a real shame that they are ridiculously heavy compared to the competition, and I don't just mean Gardiners. I also think that 22ft is too short to start adding modular section, it would be a real pain to work with.
Simon.
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Just another observation as well, in the robinson's post it states this.
All Poles, regardless of the grade, are compatible with each other. For instance, combining a Carbon Master Pole with a Hybrid Extension Pole will deliver a great performance at a lower cost than an all-Carbon System, with only a slight increase in weight and deflection.
I can understand this with glass fibre and carbon fibre, but I don't understand how this works with himodulas carbon fibre. HiModulas cf is not only stronger but also heavier than regular cf when the same amount of material is used, the idea is that you use less material to make a stronger lighter product. So if the poles are interchangeable they must have somehow shaved off some material to make the himod cf poles lighter yet they are still supposed work with the other products. What wizardry did they use to do this?
Simon.
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Well, after all that, it seems Mr. Industry still has some drying to do behind those ears of his!! ;D ;D
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So who is going to be first to buy one of these Unger poles so we can see what they are like
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Mr Industry the extension sections are not telescopic as they all have a 35mm diameter.
If the pole is actually 22ft it should be described as such - not as being able to reach 22ft - to me that means it is likely around 18ft in length.
It maybe a perfectly decent pole but it does not appeal to me.
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You no what I'm here looking at a 500 psi carpet cleaner, however as a person with a cleaning business that does window cleaning too, I've been looking forward to seeing this new pole, I own a few different poles, however I'm giving an honest opinion of what I've seen.
Your all so defensive, suspicious , and easy to wind up, honestly go canvassing get some work.
Can't imagine why we're suspicious - as I posted elsewhere, here are a few of your quotes:
You've been on the forum for about six weeks. You're very keen to leap to Unger's defence.
You've also posted "a lot happening in the next two months I've heard." (ref poles and brushes) and
"I think once I get the new unger legend pole, that'll help, as it will look so good" and ref Unger
"cant wait to see that new reasonable priced super carbon pole" also
"they will make sure they no ALL their competitors poles, and better them on cost and quality" Plus
"I'm off to Amsterdam to see the unger, looks superb, leave the extel standing...". Oh, and
"it will be quite interesting seeing the new equipment, will shake up the complaisant suppliers in the uk!"
Amazing how you were shouting off about how marvellous the new poles would be yet now you claim you're "giving an honest opinion of what [you've] seen"!
Either you're a shill or you've already made your mind up very firmly. Either way, your opinion cannot really be classed as objective.
Vin
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All 22ft.
Hybrid Master - 1,700g
Carbon Master - 1,600g
HiMod Carbon - 1,500g
For comparison, from Gardiners, all 22ft
CLX - 1,350g
SLX - 1,150g
Extreme - 1,020g
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Gary nee, any prices yet?
You must know what prices your company is charging they are charging since you're on their stand you've visited them at the show.
Vin
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I would also like to know the price, I bet they are dearer than the poles that Alex sells
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I would also like to know the price, I bet they are dearer than the poles that Alex sells
Even if not, the lightest of the three 22 footers (is that pole or reach?) is heavier than Gardiners' heaviest 22 footer.
I know that weight isn't everything but I'll also say that it's VERY important. Not getting even near the right weight on a new, much-hyped pole from a well-funded company is pretty daft.
Vin
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For me the most important thing is stiffness, it is so much easier to use a stiff pole
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As I said before, and has been proved right again:
Unger and WFP
LOL
That is all.
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As I said before, and has been proved right again:
Unger and WFP
LOL
That is all.
This is a massive step (for Unger) in the right direction. Certainly not perfect, but it's a vast improvement over the original modular pole and after that the X-tels.