Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jonny thompson on January 02, 2019, 09:49:49 pm
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What’s best fan or pencil jets
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If the glass is hydrophillic you can rinse on with whatever you like.
If it's hydrophobic then it's different, I find on some windows that when you rinse on you find side-ways spotting coming from the bristle tips that dries dirty. I have checked glass when dried and found this many times. I even did my own windows last week and found it on 3 windows (hydrophobic).
The best thing for hydrophobic glass to be able to rinse on is a rinse bar, hands down the best way to get a spotfree finish!
Others will diss-agree, try it for yourself!
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I prefer Fan Jets.
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The combination that works well for me is a light mono dual trim brush like the Gardiner Xtreme, with 100 degree fans and high flow rate. The latter is crucial.
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When rinsing on the brush forces the water to spread out therefore jets size and shape will make no difference, most rinsing on the glass problems will be caused by not having the flow high enough.
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As above turn up the pump! Basically rinsing as you go on a lot of jobs. Gardeners 35cm extreme 4x100 degree fans swivel goose neck can't go far wrong ;D
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Gardiner low pressure rinse bar without a shadow of a doubt set pump to 1.5lpm and you will have a great rinse, you will save a lot of water and be finished a lot early,
The rinse bar works extremely well with the ultimate medium when rinsing on.
I have been given a 35cm rinse bar to try out for comparison against the 26cm and can honestly say it’s absolutely out of this world when using with a 35cm extreme medium hybrid have set the pump at 2.0lpm and blitz through my work, I truly hope Gardiner brings it into production.
Myself and son have been using the above and we are finishing approx 1.5 hour earlier each day.
But to answer your original question if you are sticking with jets then 100 degree jets are my preferred choice set pump to 1.5lpm I find a good flow rate.
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Do you not find you hit the vents above the windows using the rinse bar, I tried the xline one which fitted into the middle of the brush, the problem I found was after about a week, the holes where either blocking up or the water was coming out at different speeds and directions
Do you not find this with the Gardner ones
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Do you not find you hit the vents above the windows using the rinse bar, I tried the xline one which fitted into the middle of the brush, the problem I found was after about a week, the holes where either blocking up or the water was coming out at different speeds and directions
Do you not find this with the Gardner ones
That was a worry for me but as soon as you use themyou instantly realise there is more chance hittin the vents with pencil jets, when you clean thethe vents put the brush slightly over the vents clean the top of frame then clean the window with the rinsebar so the spray down goin below the vents just like you would with any brush hope that makes sense.
You must use a swivel with them you need to slightly change your technique also but after a few days you will be flying thru your work.
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Rinse bar
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High flow rate and big fat 3mm Jets.
Everyone’s different, it’s whatever works for you, just try a few of the options and see what works...
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I never used fan jets before surely water is water right if you turn the pump up you gonna use more water just as you do with pencil jets? How do you get the same rinse if you're saving water. So basically it's faster and you save more water that sounds really good what's the catch
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Just ordered the low pressure rinse bar and I already use the Ultimate medium so will try it out Wednesday.
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Mine came today, so first day tomorrow with it , I had a go after fitting it and I reckon no more rinsing off the glass for me👍
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Just ordered the low pressure rinse bar and I already use the Ultimate medium so will try it out Wednesday.
Happy days, give it a few days to get used to it and you will never look back you will need a swivel 👍
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Mine came today, so first day tomorrow with it , I had a go after fitting it and I reckon no more rinsing off the glass for me👍
Different at first , stick with it and update tomorrow.
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Ive always rinsed on the glass and i have two different brushes for this.
Both dual trimmed but one is 14inch and 6 jets whilst the other is 12inch and I use gardiners normal rinsebar. (I used to adapt the bissel rinse bar prior to this)
Ive done a couple of vids on nk services on youtube if u want to find any.
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Ive always rinsed on the glass and i have two different brushes for this.
Both dual trimmed but one is 14inch and 6 jets whilst the other is 12inch and I use gardiners normal rinsebar. (I used to adapt the bissel rinse bar prior to this)
Ive done a couple of vids on nk services on youtube if u want to find any.
If you like the bigger brush you will love the 35cm rinsebar it’s really Is the biz, really hoping Gardiner brings it into production.
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Just ordered the low pressure rinse bar and I already use the Ultimate medium so will try it out Wednesday.
Happy days, give it a few days to get used to it and you will never look back you will need a swivel 👍
Any chance of a posting little video please?
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Just ordered the low pressure rinse bar and I already use the Ultimate medium so will try it out Wednesday.
Happy days, give it a few days to get used to it and you will never look back you will need a swivel 👍
Any chance of a posting little video please?
I have the worst internet ever I live in a rural village no chance of uploading a video struggles to upload a photo lol.
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Great piece of kit.....better rinse at a lower flow rate and am using less water too......you can adjust the height so I have it as low as it can go which means the jets go through the bristles rather than above the brush....use it with the Ultimate medium for rinsing on.
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Great piece of kit.....better rinse at a lower flow rate and am using less water too......you can adjust the height so I have it as low as it can go which means the jets go through the bristles rather than above the brush....use it with the Ultimate medium for rinsing on.
Been using it for months, its knocking a good hour off a 6 hour day.
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Same here been using it for the past week, easily earning an extra hours pay per day
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It's a bit hard to get your head around at first, but when you get in the grove its flipping great. It's like having someone else follow you around and rinsing with another brush while your scrubbing.
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It's a bit hard to get your head around at first, but when you get in the grove its flipping great. It's like having someone else follow you around and rinsing with another brush while your scrubbing.
Can you briefly describe how you attack a window with the rinse bar fitted? Do you scrub frames and glass as usual but no rinse action afterwards?
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush in the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
You phrased that much better than me! :D
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
You phrased that much better than me! :D
I agree ;D
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
You phrased that much better than me! :D
I agree ;D
LOL!!! ;D
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
That's the joke of it, if you run the jets across the glass at say 2ltrs per minute then the same amount of water will hit the glass no matter how many jets you use, this is just another useless gadget for bored shiners to play with.
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
That's the joke of it, if you run the jets across the glass at say 2ltrs per minute then the same amount of water will hit the glass no matter how many jets you use, this is just another useless gadget for bored shiners to play with.
I cant see how it would be any quicker as whether you rinse on or off you are still rinsing surely ....but that's why I asked maybe I'm missing something.
I can see it having an advantage at height not having to lift the pole off the glass to rinse.
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Rinsing is rinsing. All gardiners are really doing is trying to monopolise the market. Flogging gear that makes more sales even if it isnt really required.
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Try it before knocking it, or listen to those who have used both, as you are scrubbing top to bottom, you are rinsing at the same time, hence saving time and water, but each to there own
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Try it before knocking it, or listen to those who have used both, as you are scrubbing top to bottom, you are rinsing at the same time, hence saving time and water, but each to there own
On phobic ? I can see how it works on philic let the brush drop and it rinses, but on phobic surely you can get enough water volume down the glass when simply scrubbing up and down and letting the brush drop
Going to try one though, when someone talks about knocking an hour off their day I'm interested
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Ha... all you guys saying its useless without trying it!
If your not too fussy with your results on the glass then a rinse bar probably wont make much difference, whenever I try rinsing on the glass and check later some windows just don't come up good. Hydrophobic glass especially gets sideways runs of spotting off the bristle tips.
For me the rinse bar allows me to keep the brush on the glass and acheive a very good finish with no spotting, which is why it makes me a lot faster.
The downstroke is the rinse, you need to deal with the top frame first and once up and once down and done! If ita a wide pane of glass then just fanning it and scrubbing and rinsing at the same time. You can be sure that your not leaving bristle tip spotting with a rinse bar.
The hydrophilic glass is a doddle with whatever you use but the rinse bar is the only thing that solves the hydrophobic glass rinsing problem for me, fan jets don't have enough water weight and pencils take all day.
I would say its only going to be a help if want to eliminate the possibility of spotting whilst being quick. I love it!
(I'm coastal BTW)
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
That's the joke of it, if you run the jets across the glass at say 2ltrs per minute then the same amount of water will hit the glass no matter how many jets you use, this is just another useless gadget for bored shiners to play with.
I cant see how it would be any quicker as whether you rinse on or off you are still rinsing surely ....but that's why I asked maybe I'm missing something.
I can see it having an advantage at height not having to lift the pole off the glass to rinse.
From the moment you put the brush on the glass and turn on the water on you are rinsing, therefore when rinsing on the glass you are not only rinsing but also giving the glass an extra scrub at the same time, that said if you are the type of guy who doesn't fall for the hydrophobic nonsense and clean it the same as you clean every other pane of glass then you wont save a lot of time if any but its still a lot less strain over the working day.
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Try it before knocking it, or listen to those who have used both, as you are scrubbing top to bottom, you are rinsing at the same time, hence saving time and water, but each to there own
On phobic ? I can see how it works on philic let the brush drop and it rinses, but on phobic surely you can get enough water volume down the glass when simply scrubbing up and down and letting the brush drop
Going to try one though, when someone talks about knocking an hour off their day I'm interested
Vision was knocking three hours off the working day for some, I tend to take these type of replies with a pinch of salt, lol
its the same with the dont knock it until you try it, to be honest like a lot on here Iv cleaned more glass than any human being should ever have too,with experience you get to know what works what might work and what doesnt.
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Ha... all you guys saying its useless without trying it!
Ha... all you guys saying its useless without trying it but haven't asked if any of us have tried it!
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Ive not read all the post on this thread
(Haha get my excuse in early)
But im confused with some of the above posts, especially the one where someone fails to see how more jets or spray bar fails to clean any quicker. Unless ive totally misread it.
Ita like saying that a 12 inch brush cleans just as much in a pass as a 14 inch brush or a 14inch squeegee to that of an 18 inch squeegee.
Its not really about how many litres a min the pump is giving out the water but more the way the water is distributed accross the window giving an effective rinse/clean.
A rinse bar will always trump two jets (unless the operator works it on a trickle)
4 jets will trump 2 jets and 6 will trump both in terms of water fall and spread.
Its up to the skill of the operator in how he or she optimises the use of either as to how effective it ends up being during the clean. Along with how much energy one wants to expand on each window.
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Ha... all you guys saying its useless without trying it!
Ha... all you guys saying its useless without trying it but haven't asked if any of us have tried it!
Don't need to can tell by reading you haven't.
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ok so im going to order one
where did you get the longer rinse bar from gardiners only do 12"
may as well get a wider brush as well
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ok so im going to order one
where did you get the longer rinse bar from gardiners only do 12"
may as well get a wider brush as well
Adam trust me after you get used to him they will make your day quicker, you will save water don’t us them on a brush that splays easy hence my original post using a ultimate medium with the low pressure rinsebar.
35cm was sent to me test and try out the difference between the 25cm and 35cm rinsebar.. im using the 35cm rinsebar with a 35cm medium hybrid extreme The bristles are firm and don’t splay this combination is a total winner for me the coverage is brilliant you have to use a swivel to get the maximum benefit.
@paul Alan stirred my interest in the rinsebars have taken advise of him and never looked back.
For those that haven’t tried the rinsebar that’s fine if you are happy with your set ups that’s great each to their own.
For those that are interested in them you need to slightly change you technique and stick with it, I’m happy going home earlier so paid for it self the first day, of course this my opinion only.
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
That's the joke of it, if you run the jets across the glass at say 2ltrs per minute then the same amount of water will hit the glass no matter how many jets you use, this is just another useless gadget for bored shiners to play with.
Bod Dylan Quote: Don't criticise what you can't understand!!
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ok so im going to order one
where did you get the longer rinse bar from gardiners only do 12"
may as well get a wider brush as well
You absolutely wont regret it and especially with the bigger brush. A similar moment to when a person goes wfp from trad and wish they did it sooner ;D
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ok so im going to order one
where did you get the longer rinse bar from gardiners only do 12"
may as well get a wider brush as well
You absolutely wont regret it and especially with the bigger brush. A similar moment to when a person goes wfp from trad and wish they did it sooner ;D
Waiting for the extreme 25 to be back in stock, may as well go the whole hog, should knock 2 hours a days off then eh ;D
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So what's the technique with a rinse bar?
Do you scrub as normal then when it comes to the rinse you move the brush left and right down the glass with the brush on the glass or do you scrub up down and essentially rinse on the down stroke?
That's the joke of it, if you run the jets across the glass at say 2ltrs per minute then the same amount of water will hit the glass no matter how many jets you use, this is just another useless gadget for bored shiners to play with.
Bod Dylan Quote: Don't criticise what you can't understand!!
I don't know who said it but I prefer the saying that a fool and their money are easily parted.
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;D ;D ;D
I am interested though as it could well help with getting my water hotter , I currently use about 1.7LPM through Gardiner red fans , if this thing does work well at 1.5LPM then my water will get hotter as it will be in the exchanger longer .
Do all you current users have about 1.5LPM ?
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Ive not read all the post on this thread
(Haha get my excuse in early)
But im confused with some of the above posts, especially the one where someone fails to see how more jets or spray bar fails to clean any quicker. Unless ive totally misread it.
Ita like saying that a 12 inch brush cleans just as much in a pass as a 14 inch brush or a 14inch squeegee to that of an 18 inch squeegee.
Its not really about how many litres a min the pump is giving out the water but more the way the water is distributed accross the window giving an effective rinse/clean.
A rinse bar will always trump two jets (unless the operator works it on a trickle)
4 jets will trump 2 jets and 6 will trump both in terms of water fall and spread.
Its up to the skill of the operator in how he or she optimises the use of either as to how effective it ends up being during the clean. Along with how much energy one wants to expand on each window.
Absolute nonsense, as Iv already explained all you're doing is dividing the same flow by the amount of extra jets therefore no extra water actually hits the glass,
There's a balance to be had with brushes, weight v coverage, a wide brick might cover more area but it will also be harder to push and lift which also slows us down, personally I would rather have an extra run on the glass than work all day with a oversized brick which why most tend to start out heavy and go lighter, not the other way round.
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Ive not read all the post on this thread
(Haha get my excuse in early)
But im confused with some of the above posts, especially the one where someone fails to see how more jets or spray bar fails to clean any quicker. Unless ive totally misread it.
Ita like saying that a 12 inch brush cleans just as much in a pass as a 14 inch brush or a 14inch squeegee to that of an 18 inch squeegee.
Its not really about how many litres a min the pump is giving out the water but more the way the water is distributed accross the window giving an effective rinse/clean.
A rinse bar will always trump two jets (unless the operator works it on a trickle)
4 jets will trump 2 jets and 6 will trump both in terms of water fall and spread.
Its up to the skill of the operator in how he or she optimises the use of either as to how effective it ends up being during the clean. Along with how much energy one wants to expand on each window.
Absolute nonsense, as Iv already explained all you're doing is dividing the same flow by the amount of extra jets therefore no extra water actually hits the glass,
There's a balance to be had with brushes, weight v coverage, a wide brick might cover more area but it will also be harder to push and lift which also slows us down, personally I would rather have an extra run on the glass than work all day with a oversized brick which why most tend to start out heavy and go lighter, not the other way round.
Depends on age and physical abilities, your not talking an excessive weight difference if cleaning domestic houses. If cleaning at greater heights you may have a point but really ::)roll ::)roll on domestic houses.
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;D ;D ;D
I am interested though as it could well help with getting my water hotter , I currently use about 1.7LPM through Gardiner red fans , if this thing does work well at 1.5LPM then my water will get hotter as it will be in the exchanger longer .
Do all you current users have about 1.5LPM ?
Yes we have two 26cm low pressure rinsebars and both of us are happy with 1.5lpm,
When using two pencil jets you see the water hitting the glass in two places and then you get splash back from them jets leaving big gaps in between outside the two points of contact.
With the rinsebar you get 16 microjets hitting the same pane of glass the same width of the brush now imagine a dot to dot drawing if you connect them 16 dots together you get a straight line which is wall of water above the brush that wall of water with minimum splashback follows your brush rinsing on, lots of energy and time saved rinsing on the glass instead of rinsing off.
Everyone so far on this thread that owns one as said how good it is if there is anyone that owns that think is a sack of shhyte please giv their opinion why maybe they haven’t slightly changed their technique yet.
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ok so im going to order one
where did you get the longer rinse bar from gardiners only do 12"
may as well get a wider brush as well
You absolutely wont regret it and especially with the bigger brush. A similar moment to when a person goes wfp from trad and wish they did it sooner ;D
Waiting for the extreme 25 to be back in stock, may as well go the whole hog, should knock 2 hours a days off then eh ;D
Not quite but you will be suprised how quicker you will be and with less energy spent doing so.
The other month 2 chaps (2 man team wfp'ers) waited outside their van opppsite the house i was cleaning and i noticed them watching. We ended up having a friendly chat and we got talking brushes n sizes etc and they commented on the speed and how they realised it was the brush size and jets that made the difference compared to them.
However, some will disagree but, you will have to report back what ur experience is. Is it slightly faster or is it just the same and a feel good factor instead
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Ive not read all the post on this thread
(Haha get my excuse in early)
But im confused with some of the above posts, especially the one where someone fails to see how more jets or spray bar fails to clean any quicker. Unless ive totally misread it.
Ita like saying that a 12 inch brush cleans just as much in a pass as a 14 inch brush or a 14inch squeegee to that of an 18 inch squeegee.
Its not really about how many litres a min the pump is giving out the water but more the way the water is distributed accross the window giving an effective rinse/clean.
A rinse bar will always trump two jets (unless the operator works it on a trickle)
4 jets will trump 2 jets and 6 will trump both in terms of water fall and spread.
Its up to the skill of the operator in how he or she optimises the use of either as to how effective it ends up being during the clean. Along with how much energy one wants to expand on each window.
Absolute nonsense, as Iv already explained all you're doing is dividing the same flow by the amount of extra jets therefore no extra water actually hits the glass,
There's a balance to be had with brushes, weight v coverage, a wide brick might cover more area but it will also be harder to push and lift which also slows us down, personally I would rather have an extra run on the glass than work all day with a oversized brick which why most tend to start out heavy and go lighter, not the other way round.
35cm extreme great brush and weighs a lot lighter than the ultimate range which isn’t exactly heavy.
I have a old shoulder injury that can flare up that’s why I have electric reel, extreme pole and use ultimate and extreme brushes.
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Ive not read all the post on this thread
(Haha get my excuse in early)
But im confused with some of the above posts, especially the one where someone fails to see how more jets or spray bar fails to clean any quicker. Unless ive totally misread it.
Ita like saying that a 12 inch brush cleans just as much in a pass as a 14 inch brush or a 14inch squeegee to that of an 18 inch squeegee.
Its not really about how many litres a min the pump is giving out the water but more the way the water is distributed accross the window giving an effective rinse/clean.
A rinse bar will always trump two jets (unless the operator works it on a trickle)
4 jets will trump 2 jets and 6 will trump both in terms of water fall and spread.
Its up to the skill of the operator in how he or she optimises the use of either as to how effective it ends up being during the clean. Along with how much energy one wants to expand on each window.
Absolute nonsense, as Iv already explained all you're doing is dividing the same flow by the amount of extra jets therefore no extra water actually hits the glass,
There's a balance to be had with brushes, weight v coverage, a wide brick might cover more area but it will also be harder to push and lift which also slows us down, personally I would rather have an extra run on the glass than work all day with a oversized brick which why most tend to start out heavy and go lighter, not the other way round.
No, no more water is actually being used! Less water is being used which is great as water is a valuable resource. The way the flow is being delivered is more effective.
Rather than 2 jets splashing away in 2 spots, you now have many jets that form a curtain of water above the bristles which eliminate contamination and reduce overspray.
I have tried for a long time now to get perfect results using 2 pencil jets whilst rinsing on the glass to get perfect results and time and time again the results are not 100%, especially on the hydrophobic glass.
A rinse bar solves the issue effectively, using less water.
They are great IMO.
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;D ;D ;D
I am interested though as it could well help with getting my water hotter , I currently use about 1.7LPM through Gardiner red fans , if this thing does work well at 1.5LPM then my water will get hotter as it will be in the exchanger longer .
Do all you current users have about 1.5LPM ?
Yes we have two 26cm low pressure rinsebars and both of us are happy with 1.5lpm,
When using two pencil jets you see the water hitting the glass in two places and then you get splash back from them jets leaving big gaps in between outside the two points of contact.
With the rinsebar you get 16 microjets hitting the same pane of glass the same width of the brush now imagine a dot to dot drawing if you connect them 16 dots together you get a straight line which is wall of water above the brush that wall of water with minimum splashback follows your brush rinsing on, lots of energy and time saved rinsing on the glass instead of rinsing off.
Everyone so far on this thread that owns one as said how good it is if there is anyone that owns that think is a sack of shhyte please giv their opinion why maybe they haven’t slightly changed their technique yet.
Who's everyone ? you have Nathan K who thinks hot water melts concrete and being fit and young is a genuine reason for using heavy gear, yourself and a guy who got one to test for free, lets be honest this may attract a few faffers but most wont even give it the time of day, when rinsing with the brush on the glass the brush stops splash back and forces the water back onto the glass, I shouldnt have to explain why this is better than 10 or more dribbles running down from above it.
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Ive not read all the post on this thread
(Haha get my excuse in early)
But im confused with some of the above posts, especially the one where someone fails to see how more jets or spray bar fails to clean any quicker. Unless ive totally misread it.
Ita like saying that a 12 inch brush cleans just as much in a pass as a 14 inch brush or a 14inch squeegee to that of an 18 inch squeegee.
Its not really about how many litres a min the pump is giving out the water but more the way the water is distributed accross the window giving an effective rinse/clean.
A rinse bar will always trump two jets (unless the operator works it on a trickle)
4 jets will trump 2 jets and 6 will trump both in terms of water fall and spread.
Its up to the skill of the operator in how he or she optimises the use of either as to how effective it ends up being during the clean. Along with how much energy one wants to expand on each window.
Absolute nonsense, as Iv already explained all you're doing is dividing the same flow by the amount of extra jets therefore no extra water actually hits the glass,
There's a balance to be had with brushes, weight v coverage, a wide brick might cover more area but it will also be harder to push and lift which also slows us down, personally I would rather have an extra run on the glass than work all day with a oversized brick which why most tend to start out heavy and go lighter, not the other way round.
No, no more water is actually being used! Less water is being used which is great as water is a valuable resource. The way the flow is being delivered is more effective.
Rather than 2 jets splashing away in 2 spots, you now have many jets that form a curtain of water above the bristles which eliminate contamination and reduce overspray.
I have tried for a long time now to get perfect results using 2 pencil jets whilst rinsing on the glass to get perfect results and time and time again the results are not 100%, especially on the hydrophobic glass.
A rinse bar solves the issue effectively, using less water.
They are great IMO.
Explain how reducing the force and dribbling less water onto glass that repels water helps ?
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water is a valuable resource.
Once water has done its job, cleaning the glass, where does it go, if its so valuable?
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Funny enough i was cleaning a patio window yesterday which had concrete splatter on and i did consider filming it so it would resolve this silly argueing about hot water and how effective it is on concrete splatter.
A comment above mentioned how he uses lighter poles n equipment because of a shoulder injury and hence my point about a persons physical abilities as to what brush for instance they would use. Then we have sean (dry clean) who feels that a slightly heavier brush is crippling and maybe it is to him because hes a stubborn chappy who believes if it aint broken dont fix it. Therefore disbelieving anyones claim that either a bigger brush or more jets or a rinse bar and even hot faster flowing water will not speed up a person. So therefore using a slightly heavier brush may be crippling when working slightly longer per window than the most of us ;D
However, each to their own and thats why there is a selection of brushes, jets and rinse bars as everybody works differently and have different preferences.
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I love it and it is quicker....only my opinion though.... ;D
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https://youtu.be/H3WcGJbzl2w
Watch from 5min 44sec in and you can see how there isnt a piddly spray of water!
Or even hot (which gives a faster flow anyway) water and six jets. Hmmmm lets see what water flow it gives
https://youtu.be/v0CeiiO5qoM
How does it compare to 2 jets or fan jets as demonstrated by alex using a back pack
(Bare with me till i find a vid showing it from a van mount)
https://youtu.be/7m3aCL7SZRQ
X line video showing their 2 jets verses fan jets.
https://youtu.be/HPBlrWp9cY8
I rest my case as to which gives the better flow and coverage.
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You can’t compare the two.
Too many variables. Pump rating, hose diameter, length of hose, hot or cold water, jet type, jet size, what is the pump running at, width of hose, diameter of the smallest connector between the tank and brush head. List goes on...
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I currently use an x-line brush with their fan jets and mine produces far more water than that setup in the video. Twice what’s coming out of that I’d say.
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Funny enough i was cleaning a patio window yesterday which had concrete splatter on and i did consider filming it so it would resolve this silly argueing about hot water and how effective it is on concrete splatter.
A comment above mentioned how he uses lighter poles n equipment because of a shoulder injury and hence my point about a persons physical abilities as to what brush for instance they would use. Then we have sean (dry clean) who feels that a slightly heavier brush is crippling and maybe it is to him because hes a stubborn chappy who believes if it aint broken dont fix it. Therefore disbelieving anyones claim that either a bigger brush or more jets or a rinse bar and even hot faster flowing water will not speed up a person. So therefore using a slightly heavier brush may be crippling when working slightly longer per window than the most of us ;D
However, each to their own and thats why there is a selection of brushes, jets and rinse bars as everybody works differently and have different preferences.
Why would you fix something that isnt broken ? seriously Nathan do you ever think before you post.
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I currently use an x-line brush with their fan jets and mine produces far more water than that setup in the video. Twice what’s coming out of that I’d say.
Was it you matt who was looking for the more powerful pump to use?
With most set ups im assuming that the majority use the sureflow pump which comes as standard and majority use either a 6 mm or 8mm internal diameter hose either as a main or as a pole hose, so not much difference really.
For me its a standard sureflow pump that comes from pure freedom. Using 100 meters of 8mm internal diameter hose and then 6mm rhino hose for a 30ft long pole so about 35ft of additional hose. Shared out between either 6 jets or the spray bar.
Using hot water.
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Funny enough i was cleaning a patio window yesterday which had concrete splatter on and i did consider filming it so it would resolve this silly argueing about hot water and how effective it is on concrete splatter.
A comment above mentioned how he uses lighter poles n equipment because of a shoulder injury and hence my point about a persons physical abilities as to what brush for instance they would use. Then we have sean (dry clean) who feels that a slightly heavier brush is crippling and maybe it is to him because hes a stubborn chappy who believes if it aint broken dont fix it. Therefore disbelieving anyones claim that either a bigger brush or more jets or a rinse bar and even hot faster flowing water will not speed up a person. So therefore using a slightly heavier brush may be crippling when working slightly longer per window than the most of us ;D
However, each to their own and thats why there is a selection of brushes, jets and rinse bars as everybody works differently and have different preferences.
Why would you fix something that isnt broken ? seriously Nathan do you ever think before you post.
Manual tools work just fine, the horse and cart worked just fine and fit for the purpose. However people wanted tontry and make something faster etc etc etc to today where its evolved to power tools, powered vehicles and the like.
Its called advancement and not stubornly remaining stale.
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Funny enough i was cleaning a patio window yesterday which had concrete splatter on and i did consider filming it so it would resolve this silly argueing about hot water and how effective it is on concrete splatter.
A comment above mentioned how he uses lighter poles n equipment because of a shoulder injury and hence my point about a persons physical abilities as to what brush for instance they would use. Then we have sean (dry clean) who feels that a slightly heavier brush is crippling and maybe it is to him because hes a stubborn chappy who believes if it aint broken dont fix it. Therefore disbelieving anyones claim that either a bigger brush or more jets or a rinse bar and even hot faster flowing water will not speed up a person. So therefore using a slightly heavier brush may be crippling when working slightly longer per window than the most of us ;D
However, each to their own and thats why there is a selection of brushes, jets and rinse bars as everybody works differently and have different preferences.
Why would you fix something that isnt broken ? seriously Nathan do you ever think before you post.
Manual tools work just fine, the horse and cart worked just fine and fit for the purpose. However people wanted tontry and make something faster etc etc etc to today where its evolved to power tools, powered vehicles and the like.
Its called advancement and not stubornly remaining stale.
That's fixing something that is broken (roll eyes) if I was slower and having more quality problems than other shiners then I expect I would also be looking for gimmicky fixes just like the rest who cant seem to manage without them. if you where quicker and your quality was actually better than all those without your gimmick then you would have an argument but that isn't the case.
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Funny enough i was cleaning a patio window yesterday which had concrete splatter on and i did consider filming it so it would resolve this silly argueing about hot water and how effective it is on concrete splatter.
A comment above mentioned how he uses lighter poles n equipment because of a shoulder injury and hence my point about a persons physical abilities as to what brush for instance they would use. Then we have sean (dry clean) who feels that a slightly heavier brush is crippling and maybe it is to him because hes a stubborn chappy who believes if it aint broken dont fix it. Therefore disbelieving anyones claim that either a bigger brush or more jets or a rinse bar and even hot faster flowing water will not speed up a person. So therefore using a slightly heavier brush may be crippling when working slightly longer per window than the most of us ;D
However, each to their own and thats why there is a selection of brushes, jets and rinse bars as everybody works differently and have different preferences.
Why would you fix something that isnt broken ? seriously Nathan do you ever think before you post.
Manual tools work just fine, the horse and cart worked just fine and fit for the purpose. However people wanted tontry and make something faster etc etc etc to today where its evolved to power tools, powered vehicles and the like.
Its called advancement and not stubornly remaining stale.
That's fixing something that is broken (roll eyes) if I was slower and having more quality problems than other shiners then I expect I would also be looking for gimmicky fixes just like the rest who cant seem to manage without them. if you where quicker and your quality was actually better than all those without your gimmick then you would have an argument but that isn't the case.
Holier than thou?
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Make your mind up DryClean, clarify what you consider as broken in my example given.
Are you saying that horse and cart are not fit for their purpose of transport and manual tools are no longer fit for their purpose? Why, just because they are slower than what is available because people wanted something faster and more convienient? Surely though, they are still capable of doing their job effectively and of high standard (esp in the right hands).
So lets go back to all this faffing and gimmicks as you call them. Your method of two jets, light brush and cold water is more than capeable of doing its job and effectively. Thats fine and dandy but others may wish to go faster etc and use gimmicks as u call them inorder to do so.
Moving forwards with the times whilst leaving the "if its not broken" mind set people behind :o ::)roll
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I currently use an x-line brush with their fan jets and mine produces far more water than that setup in the video. Twice what’s coming out of that I’d say.
Was it you matt who was looking for the more powerful pump to use?
Yup, that was me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/nfk2wW6fSDNN9aBw7
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I currently use an x-line brush with their fan jets and mine produces far more water than that setup in the video. Twice what’s coming out of that I’d say.
Was it you matt who was looking for the more powerful pump to use?
Yup, that was me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/nfk2wW6fSDNN9aBw7
Nice n powerful, which pump is that?
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Vyair 10l/min - 4 years old
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;D ;D ;D
I am interested though as it could well help with getting my water hotter , I currently use about 1.7LPM through Gardiner red fans , if this thing does work well at 1.5LPM then my water will get hotter as it will be in the exchanger longer .
Do all you current users have about 1.5LPM ?
Yes we have two 26cm low pressure rinsebars and both of us are happy with 1.5lpm,
When using two pencil jets you see the water hitting the glass in two places and then you get splash back from them jets leaving big gaps in between outside the two points of contact.
With the rinsebar you get 16 microjets hitting the same pane of glass the same width of the brush now imagine a dot to dot drawing if you connect them 16 dots together you get a straight line which is wall of water above the brush that wall of water with minimum splashback follows your brush rinsing on, lots of energy and time saved rinsing on the glass instead of rinsing off.
Everyone so far on this thread that owns one as said how good it is if there is anyone that owns that think is a sack of shhyte please giv their opinion why maybe they haven’t slightly changed their technique yet.
Who's everyone ? you have Nathan K who thinks hot water melts concrete and being fit and young is a genuine reason for using heavy gear, yourself and a guy who got one to test for free, lets be honest this may attract a few faffers but most wont even give it the time of day, when rinsing with the brush on the glass the brush stops splash back and forces the water back onto the glass, I shouldnt have to explain why this'll is better than 10 or more dribbles running down from above it.
Think the five 'everyone'' on this thread that actually own one Have nothing but positive things to say about them, havnt seen one bad comment from someone that owns a rinsebar or used one.
After purchasing my first rinsebar My son and I was so impressed I bought another must be some fad gadget 🙄 Which I'm really glad about as I paid for itself immediately by finishing early and the biggest bonus that I will finish earlier each day now.
Like riding a bike and driving a car both will get you to a to b but completely different to operate.
Because I drive a combo doesn't mean I would assume what custom or vivaro drives could guess but I really wouldn't know without trying them out.
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I currently use an x-line brush with their fan jets and mine produces far more water than that setup in the video. Twice what’s coming out of that I’d say.
Was it you matt who was looking for the more powerful pump to use?
Yup, that was me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/nfk2wW6fSDNN9aBw7
Thats a friggin jetwash! Do you even need to agitate?
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Dunno, i still do though. I dont get complaints ;D
I also have a Grippa hot water system, i basically think of it as nuking when i turn up to brush glass.
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Do u run it of a normal leisure battery, seperately just for the pump?
Whats the ampage required for that
10 lpm?
Its overkill on normal residential i would have thought, but sure makes light work of it.
But then any higher than 3rd floor wouldnt be a problem either. Like the idea of that.
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Dunno, i still do though. I dont get complaints ;D
I also have a Grippa hot water system, i basically think of it as nuking when i turn up to brush glass.
Next level that, I wonder who else has been googling them pumps?
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Dunno, i still do though. I dont get complaints ;D
I also have a Grippa hot water system, i basically think of it as nuking when i turn up to brush glass.
Next level that, I wonder who else has been googling them pumps?
I spent a bit of time deciding the best combination of gear, but the result was I wanted to be able to walk up to a window and within seconds walk away. Its about making miney, not pansying about waiting for the water to get to the bottom of the glass. I spoke to Alex, Oliver and also another pump manufacturer who i was going to visit. Theyd offered to give me a 18 litre/min pump so long as I spoke well of it on here. In the end i think i went away on holiday and couldnt be faffed with it, basically because youre always limited by the smallest connector on your system. Its no good having 10mm pipework if the diameter of a connector is 4mm.
Anyway, its probs about as good as it can get. When i get bored i tend to obsess about how i could ramp it up a bit more. When i did the glass on a huge school in London (2 of us were there for 10 days straight) i wanted to have 1/2" hose but just couldnt get it all to come together for one reason or another. When you use that much water you have to to be able to produce it just as fast as well...
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Do u run it of a normal leisure battery, seperately just for the pump?
Whats the ampage required for that
10 lpm?
Its overkill on normal residential i would have thought, but sure makes light work of it.
But then any higher than 3rd floor wouldnt be a problem either. Like the idea of that.
I have 2 x 110 amp leisure batteries. Dont forget I have the grippa hot water setup to power as well. Ive got in to the habit lately of charging up every night recently.
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Make your mind up DryClean, clarify what you consider as broken in my example given.
Are you saying that horse and cart are not fit for their purpose of transport and manual tools are no longer fit for their purpose? Why, just because they are slower than what is available because people wanted something faster and more convienient? Surely though, they are still capable of doing their job effectively and of high standard (esp in the right hands).
So lets go back to all this faffing and gimmicks as you call them. Your method of two jets, light brush and cold water is more than capeable of doing its job and effectively. Thats fine and dandy but others may wish to go faster etc and use gimmicks as u call them inorder to do so.
Moving forwards with the times whilst leaving the "if its not broken" mind set people behind :o ::)roll
Its not hard Nathan but will give you an example, if you're getting spotting on the glass then you look for ways to solve fix it, if you're not getting spotting on the glass then it doesn't need fixed solved, again think before you post.
As for speed, theres a video that has been put up on here many times of a guy cleaning the front a detached property in minutes using cold water that wasn't PPB, full of additives, a brush that wasn't a brick loaded with jets and so on, when you can prove that you're faster than him then waffle about your gimmicky game changers making a difference.
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I believe i have!
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I believe i have!
Nathan you're the type guy who if you stuck your finger up in the air and said it was going to rain, if it then rained that would be proof enough that your finger can predict the weather, there are a few more on here like that but most of us take a more sensible aproach to things.
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Everyone is entitled to try new things dry clean.
Personally for me.. all you need is.
Pure water (keep your tds at 000)
A pump
A battery
A tank
Hose reel
Pole
Some heat if you fancy it( makes the hoses a bit easier to manage in the winter and stops freezing but thats about it)
Van
Customers
And labour.
That's it. You don't need anything else. My system is basic to say the least, but it does the job
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I believe i have!
Nathan you're the type guy who if you stuck your finger up in the air and said it was going to rain, if it then rained that would be proof enough that your finger can predict the weather, there are a few more on here like that but most of us take a more sensible aproach to things.
This is tedious sean.
You change the goal posts all the time. Check out the videos im sure you will find it and if not, i can quite happily dedicate a vid to you 😎😂
Im trying not very hard not to be that chap who sticks a certain finger in the air tho 😂😂
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Everyone is entitled to try new things dry clean.
Personally for me.. all you need is.
Pure water (keep your tds at 000)
A pump
A battery
A tank
Hose reel
Pole
Some heat if you fancy it( makes the hoses a bit easier to manage in the winter and stops freezing but thats about it)
Van
Customers
And labour.
That's it. You don't need anything else. My system is basic to say the least, but it does the job
Exactly whatever gets the day in, its the silly claims that I challenge not how or what a person wants to work with.
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I believe i have!
Nathan you're the type guy who if you stuck your finger up in the air and said it was going to rain, if it then rained that would be proof enough that your finger can predict the weather, there are a few more on here like that but most of us take a more sensible aproach to things.
This is tedious sean.
You change the goal posts all the time. Check out the videos im sure you will find it and if not, i can quite happily dedicate a vid to you 😎😂
Im trying not very hard not to be that chap who sticks a certain finger in the air tho 😂😂
I have watched your videos and you are no quicker than the guy I mentioned earlier, its all in your head
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I know the one you mean, the one which says
"Apologies for the sound"
😂😂
Yoir right it is quite shocking that one, ive just watched it back. Haha at one point the pole hose got tangled in some new miniture fencing they had just put down.
Think ill have to re do that one.
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Calm down ladies...please...we don't want a handbags at dawn thread yet, we haven't even got through January at least leave it till February...PLEASE :D
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Same here been using it for the past week, easily earning an extra hours pay per day
Can you describe your technique now you’ve got the rinse bar fitted? Do you scrub frames and glass as normal and then rinse on the glass, or do you scrub and rinse all in one?
Unfortunately I can’t find a definitive demo video....
Just fitted my rinse bar today and looking forward to trying it out properly tomorrow.
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All in one , you will see the water following the brush
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I go straight to the window and turn the brush sideways for the top frame, go back then forth on the top frame then swivel the brush over to level again. Up and down twice then I'm done!
If the glass is hydrophobic I might finish with a side to side motion for the rinse but its not really needed, I did a big house inside and out on saturday, all the glass is hydrophobic. I went up and down twice on one half and up and down once on the other before going inside for a brew then onto cleaning the insides, the outsides were perfect.
Its almost criminal how fast you can be with a rinse bar, I have been home for an hour already and I dont start till 9:15. £260 done.
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You do need a good brush for a rinse bar though, the bristles can obstruct the rinse if the splay too much.
I have been trying lots of different brushes and have been struggling to find the right one, I even bought a constructor brush but the rinse bars do not cover the entire brush, and theyre heavy and awkward so its on ebay.
I bought an x line dupont, the ones with the orange inner bristles. I didnt use it much as the bristles were long and a bit awkward for my style. I got the scissors out and gave it a haircut, I cut the out trim down to the same size as the inner trim and I have to say its friggin awesome like that. No splay, super aggressive and light. I love it!
Sometimes you have to take whats on the market into the shed and make it your own. The x line now is ideal, it was only 209 gramms before I cut it down, its probably only 190 gramms now. It still gets into the frames and corners no problem and its all bristle tips on the glass so it shreds the muck.
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Spotfree, thanks for that info, very informative. Do you use a swivel?
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Spotfree, thanks for that info, very informative. Do you use a swivel?
Yes, you wouldnt be able to use a rinse bar without one.
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Yes, thanks Spotfree - great description. I used mine this afternoon for the first time - I was definitely quicker though it was hard to change my method - 13 years wfp creates long standing habits! I’ve always lingered too long on the glass so anything that will allow me to speed up but maintain quality is great. I’m using a Ultimate 26cm DuPont Medium Hybrid - which I love - but it may splay a bit too much.
I’ll keep experimenting!
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Spotfree, thanks for that info, very informative. Do you use a swivel?
Yes, you wouldnt be able to use a rinse bar without one.
Not quite true. I for one dont use a swivel and im an advocate for using spray bars as well.
You right about brushes tho, however saying that a brush needs to be able to clean via using the tips of the bristles so a brush that splays isnt really agitating the dirt. Thats why i use the slightly heavier brush from streamline as the bristles are shorter and firm, even when using hot water.
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Yes, thanks Spotfree - great description. I used mine this afternoon for the first time - I was definitely quicker though it was hard to change my method - 13 years wfp creates long standing habits! I’ve always lingered too long on the glass so anything that will allow me to speed up but maintain quality is great. I’m using a 26cm DuPont Medium Hybrid - which I love - but it may splay a bit too much.
I’ll keep experimenting!
It does "twist yoyr melon" a bit at first as I was used to scrubbing and rinsing seperatly, now they're combined!
Once you get used to it, and have been checking your work when dried you'll be much more confident and a lot quicker with it. I place a lot of emphasis on quality, I dont have to compromise with a rinse bar. In fact the quality is better, its quicker, use less water and less fatuige. Win,win,win,win!
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Spotfree, thanks for that info, very informative. Do you use a swivel?
Yes, you wouldnt be able to use a rinse bar without one.
Not quite true. I for one dont use a swivel and im an advocate for using spray bars as well.
You right about brushes tho, however saying that a brush needs to be able to clean via using the tips of the bristles so a brush that splays isnt really agitating the dirt. Thats why i use the slightly heavier brush from streamline as the bristles are shorter and firm, even when using hot water.
I find it a lot easier with the swivel, I find WFP alot easier in general with a swivel and would never be without it. It would be like having your elbows fused trying to WFP without a swivel for me now, it gives you so much more freedom of movement and agility.
I've seen your video on youtube mate, if you had a swivel on you would of got them corners!
Give it a try for a month, you'll be glad you did.
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Reply to Den,
Are Gardiners bringing the 35cm rinse bar out,,??
Dazzler
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Yes, thanks Spotfree - great description. I used mine this afternoon for the first time - I was definitely quicker though it was hard to change my method - 13 years wfp creates long standing habits! I’ve always lingered too long on the glass so anything that will allow me to speed up but maintain quality is great. I’m using a 26cm DuPont Medium Hybrid - which I love - but it may splay a bit too much.
I’ll keep experimenting!
It does "twist yoyr melon" a bit at first as I was used to scrubbing and rinsing seperatly, now they're combined!
Once you get used to it, and have been checking your work when dried you'll be much more confident and a lot quicker with it. I place a lot of emphasis on quality, I dont have to compromise with a rinse bar. In fact the quality is better, its quicker, use less water and less fatuige. Win,win,win,win!
Explain what those who dont use a rinse bar are compromising on ?
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Yes, thanks Spotfree - great description. I used mine this afternoon for the first time - I was definitely quicker though it was hard to change my method - 13 years wfp creates long standing habits! I’ve always lingered too long on the glass so anything that will allow me to speed up but maintain quality is great. I’m using a 26cm DuPont Medium Hybrid - which I love - but it may splay a bit too much.
I’ll keep experimenting!
It does "twist yoyr melon" a bit at first as I was used to scrubbing and rinsing seperatly, now they're combined!
Once you get used to it, and have been checking your work when dried you'll be much more confident and a lot quicker with it. I place a lot of emphasis on quality, I dont have to compromise with a rinse bar. In fact the quality is better, its quicker, use less water and less fatuige. Win,win,win,win!
Explain what those who dont use a rinse bar are compromising on ?
Trying something new and being open-minded!
No seriously though nothing at all, I can't speak for others, only myself and my own experience. I re-read my post and can't see any implications there.
I personally feel that if using 2 pencil jets, that high flow causes overspray. I cant "rinse on" on hydrophobic glass as it just doesn't do a good job I know this for a fact as countless times I have seen the results and they're not good enough for me.
I like to try new things and give them an honest and thorough testing (been using rinse bars for over a year). Through that, I come to the conclusion that a rinse bar has many benefits. I can say that because I have tested it properly in all situations and its something I KNOW. Not something I am merely speculating about.
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Yes, thanks Spotfree - great description. I used mine this afternoon for the first time - I was definitely quicker though it was hard to change my method - 13 years wfp creates long standing habits! I’ve always lingered too long on the glass so anything that will allow me to speed up but maintain quality is great. I’m using a 26cm DuPont Medium Hybrid - which I love - but it may splay a bit too much.
I’ll keep experimenting!
It does "twist yoyr melon" a bit at first as I was used to scrubbing and rinsing seperatly, now they're combined!
Once you get used to it, and have been checking your work when dried you'll be much more confident and a lot quicker with it. I place a lot of emphasis on quality, I dont have to compromise with a rinse bar. In fact the quality is better, its quicker, use less water and less fatuige. Win,win,win,win!
Explain what those who dont use a rinse bar are compromising on ?
Trying something new and being open-minded!
No seriously though nothing at all, I can't speak for others, only myself and my own experience. I re-read my post and can't see any implications there.
I personally feel that if using 2 pencil jets, that high flow causes overspray. I cant "rinse on" on hydrophobic glass as it just doesn't do a good job I know this for a fact as countless times I have seen the results and they're not good enough for me.
I like to try new things and give them an honest and thorough testing (been using rinse bars for over a year). Through that, I come to the conclusion that a rinse bar has many benefits. I can say that because I have tested it properly in all situations and its something I KNOW. Not something I am merely speculating about.
I resisted using an extreme brush for years because Id got it into my head that it wasn't up to the job, its only when I opened my eyes/realised that others where using them successfully that I seen sense, if you are not getting good and quick results using pencil jets then its to do with your skills or mindset and not the jets, how do I know this, because others can use them successfully, if using whatever gimmick you need makes YOU better or more confident at your job then why not use it but to say its a game changer when others have already proved its not needed only makes you sound foolish.
Using hot is another example of this, why do you think the more sensible hot users on here just say they like using it and don t make silly unproven claims about its effectiveness ? think about that.
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Yes, thanks Spotfree - great description. I used mine this afternoon for the first time - I was definitely quicker though it was hard to change my method - 13 years wfp creates long standing habits! I’ve always lingered too long on the glass so anything that will allow me to speed up but maintain quality is great. I’m using a 26cm DuPont Medium Hybrid - which I love - but it may splay a bit too much.
I’ll keep experimenting!
It does "twist yoyr melon" a bit at first as I was used to scrubbing and rinsing seperatly, now they're combined!
Once you get used to it, and have been checking your work when dried you'll be much more confident and a lot quicker with it. I place a lot of emphasis on quality, I dont have to compromise with a rinse bar. In fact the quality is better, its quicker, use less water and less fatuige. Win,win,win,win!
Explain what those who dont use a rinse bar are compromising on ?
Trying something new and being open-minded!
No seriously though nothing at all, I can't speak for others, only myself and my own experience. I re-read my post and can't see any implications there.
I personally feel that if using 2 pencil jets, that high flow causes overspray. I cant "rinse on" on hydrophobic glass as it just doesn't do a good job I know this for a fact as countless times I have seen the results and they're not good enough for me.
I like to try new things and give them an honest and thorough testing (been using rinse bars for over a year). Through that, I come to the conclusion that a rinse bar has many benefits. I can say that because I have tested it properly in all situations and its something I KNOW. Not something I am merely speculating about.
I resisted using an extreme brush for years because Id got it into my head that it wasn't up to the job, its only when I realised that others where using them successfully that I seen sense, if you are not getting good and quick results using pencil jets then its to do with your skills or mindset and not the jets, how do I know this, because others can use them successfully, if using whatever gimmick you need makes YOU better or more confident at your job then why not use it but to say its a game changer when others have already proved its not needed only makes you sound foolish.
Why do you think the more sensible hot users on here just say they like using it and don t make silly unproven claims about using it ? think about that.
Dry clean...your missing the bleedin point mate. I'm not saying its a game changer for everyone else, I couldn't give a flying monkeys about what anyone else is or isn't doing.
Its change my game, that's it. That's all I'm saying. I can't get the hydrophobic glass perfect without rinsing off so I use a rinse bar and that's changed things for me.
If you want to imply that I am less of a window cleaner than you because I cant get the glass to my own standards with 2 pencil jets then it's ok with me.
I would love to be able to but haven't yet found a way that works, maybe you could show me? Or are you only on here to have a go at others? I don't recall you posting anything of help here before? Only causing rows and calling other people out. Sad really mate.
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I think whilst you may be correct dry clean it's important not to dismiss things so easily and at least be open minded.
Look at daz with his leccy reel.....he swore blind there was no advantage to them, ask him now.
Personally I can see how not having to lift the brush up in itself is an advantage as that does cause fatigue especially on awkward angles and I believe rinsing on does not produce good enough results on phobic glass.
Whether or not a rinse bar will be faster I have no idea but I have ordered one and would rather find out for myself.
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I think whilst you may be correct dry clean it's important not to dismiss things so easily and at least be open minded.
Look at daz with his leccy reel.....he swore blind there was no advantage to them, ask him now.
Personally I can see how not having to lift the brush up in itself is an advantage as that does cause fatigue especially on awkward angles and I believe rinsing on does not produce good enough results on phobic glass.
Whether or not a rinse bar will be faster I have no idea but I have ordered one and would rather find out for myself.
Well said, honestly I think dry clean just likes sitting on the sidelines and waiting for a chance to ruffle a few feathers. Some mothers do av em...
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I think whilst you may be correct dry clean it's important not to dismiss things so easily and at least be open minded.
Look at daz with his leccy reel.....he swore blind there was no advantage to them, ask him now.
Personally I can see how not having to lift the brush up in itself is an advantage as that does cause fatigue especially on awkward angles and I believe rinsing on does not produce good enough results on phobic glass.
Whether or not a rinse bar will be faster I have no idea but I have ordered one and would rather find out for myself.
Well said, honestly I think dry clean just likes sitting on the sidelines and waiting for a chance to ruffle a few feathers. Some mothers do av em...
True, most of the more experienced types on here have read all this nonsense before and just let you guys get on with things, I just cant resist.
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I think whilst you may be correct dry clean it's important not to dismiss things so easily and at least be open minded.
Look at daz with his leccy reel.....he swore blind there was no advantage to them, ask him now.
Personally I can see how not having to lift the brush up in itself is an advantage as that does cause fatigue especially on awkward angles and I believe rinsing on does not produce good enough results on phobic glass.
Whether or not a rinse bar will be faster I have no idea but I have ordered one and would rather find out for myself.
Well said, honestly I think dry clean just likes sitting on the sidelines and waiting for a chance to ruffle a few feathers. Some mothers do av em...
True, most of the more experienced types on here have read all this nonsense before and just let you guys get on with things, I just cant resist.
So in your mind if I'm trying something new it makes me inexperienced? I would say the more stuff you try the more experience you have.
If you like to stick with innovations from 15 years ago then great for you. I love trying new stuff as it keeps the work interesting. Variety is the spice of life.
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I think whilst you may be correct dry clean it's important not to dismiss things so easily and at least be open minded.
Look at daz with his leccy reel.....he swore blind there was no advantage to them, ask him now.
Personally I can see how not having to lift the brush up in itself is an advantage as that does cause fatigue especially on awkward angles and I believe rinsing on does not produce good enough results on phobic glass.
Whether or not a rinse bar will be faster I have no idea but I have ordered one and would rather find out for myself.
Iv a garage full of window cleaning junk that would more than prove that I'm opened minded, we have all been there, Dazmond actually made a valid and sensible point about the electric reel, if you're not doing much reeling in over the day then its not going to save you much in physical energy which is different to saying that it wont be an advantage to anybody, its only when he's needs to justify something to himself that he goes into silly mode.
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I think whilst you may be correct dry clean it's important not to dismiss things so easily and at least be open minded.
Look at daz with his leccy reel.....he swore blind there was no advantage to them, ask him now.
Personally I can see how not having to lift the brush up in itself is an advantage as that does cause fatigue especially on awkward angles and I believe rinsing on does not produce good enough results on phobic glass.
Whether or not a rinse bar will be faster I have no idea but I have ordered one and would rather find out for myself.
Well said, honestly I think dry clean just likes sitting on the sidelines and waiting for a chance to ruffle a few feathers. Some mothers do av em...
True, most of the more experienced types on here have read all this nonsense before and just let you guys get on with things, I just cant resist.
So in your mind if I'm trying something new it makes me inexperienced? I would say the more stuff you try the more experience you have.
If you like to stick with innovations from 15 years ago then great for you. I love trying new stuff as it keeps the work interesting. Variety is the spice of life.
99% of all new window cleaning innovation is rubbish, its experience and knowledge that keeps us from buying 100% of all new window cleaning innovation, do you get where Im going with this.
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Been wfp for 9 years, got over 650 customers, I’ve always used pencil jets which do a great job, I’ve been using the rinse bar for 2 weeks now, it’s still doing a great job, but quicker and it’s so much easier not rinsing off the glass on upstairs windows,I personally would never go back to pencil jets
Regards a very experienced window cleaner 👍
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Been wfp for 9 years, got over 650 customers, I’ve always used pencil jets which do a great job, I’ve been using the rinse bar for 2 weeks now, it’s still doing a great job, but quicker and it’s so much easier not rinsing off the glass on upstairs windows,I personally would never go back to pencil jets
Regards a very experienced window cleaner 👍
Wow it took you 9 years and a silly gimmick to come to the conclusion that you didn't need to rinse off the glass, maybe there is a demand for proper training in this game.
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A rinse bar is no more a gimmick than jets, all that matters is what u earn a day and the quality of your work, if u can up your hourly rate with a gimmick, then keep them coming
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Been wfp for 9 years, got over 650 customers, I’ve always used pencil jets which do a great job, I’ve been using the rinse bar for 2 weeks now, it’s still doing a great job, but quicker and it’s so much easier not rinsing off the glass on upstairs windows,I personally would never go back to pencil jets
Regards a very experienced window cleaner 👍
Wow it took you 9 years and a silly gimmick to come to the conclusion that you didn't need to rinse off the glass, maybe there is a demand for proper training in this game.
You want training dry clean, with a gimp mask and a 12"er.
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I've just spat my drink out!!!!! ;D
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I've just spat my drink out!!!!! ;D
Probably better that than what dry Clean would be spittin out ;D
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Six pages about rinsing a window.
I just rinse on for upstairs.
Rinse off, usually, for downstairs.
I don't think it really matters much.
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Reply to Den,
Are Gardiners bringing the 35cm rinse bar out,,??
Dazzler
I would like to think so..... as the one that I use works perfect with the 35cm extreme medium hybrid for bristle firmness Best combination I have,
I also use the 26cm with a ultimate medium as I have a few properties where the windows are to narrow for the 35cm.
Have said it before that these bars pay for there self in one day when your going home at least a hour early.
Until I started using the rinsebar I thought I had the fastest set up possible, extreme pole, extreme and ultimate brushes and tubless, I pull up grab pole as it’s alway connected (unless I need to change my pole), clean house hang pole up still connected to reel, press button for hose reel then drive to next job. Now with the rinsebar it’s so much quicker as a wall of water is following the brush rinsing away debris that maybe the brush would have left behind with Thad fatigue of ever lifting the brush off the glass.
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Rinsing on is quicker than rinsing off either with rinse bar or 4-8 jets fitted, on hydrophobic glass. Less fatigue rinsing on than off. Not everyone agrees, everyone has different views, that's their choice.
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Reply to Den,
Are Gardiners bringing the 35cm rinse bar out,,??
Dazzler
I would like to think so..... as the one that I use works perfect with the 35cm extreme medium hybrid for bristle firmness Best combination I have,
I also use the 26cm with a ultimate medium as I have a few properties where the windows are to narrow for the 35cm.
Have said it before that these bars pay for there self in one day when your going home at least a hour early.
Until I started using the rinsebar I thought I had the fastest set up possible, extreme pole, extreme and ultimate brushes and tubless, I pull up grab pole as it’s alway connected (unless I need to change my pole), clean house hang pole up still connected to reel, press button for hose reel then drive to next job. Now with the rinsebar it’s so much quicker as a wall of water is following the brush rinsing away debris that maybe the brush would have left behind with Thad fatigue of ever lifting the brush off the glass.
I used a wide rinse bar today, do most days. Had sash windows and a mixture of the windows were too narrow for the brush, I couldn't be bothered to get a narrow rinse bar out and swap over so I turned the brush head 90 degrees, still worked
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Can’t be arsed to read the pages. I use an Ultimate Dupont that has gone out of shape a fair bit. How does the rinse bar reach over the bristles? Pics required I think!
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Can’t be arsed to read the pages. I use an Ultimate Dupont that has gone out of shape a fair bit. How does the rinse bar reach over the bristles? Pics required I think!
It doesnt, not on the ultimate dupont. Too much splay, you need more appropriate brush.
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Can’t be arsed to read the pages. I use an Ultimate Dupont that has gone out of shape a fair bit. How does the rinse bar reach over the bristles? Pics required I think!
It doesnt, not on the ultimate dupont. Too much splay, you need more appropriate brush.
I have two wide rinse bars , both have different angles on them. One has three degree angle with the rinse jets and one is 0 degree. The one with 0 degree has to be fitted so it sits proud of the brush stock and the other with the three degree angle sits flush with the brush stock. My ideal preference would be a 2 degree angle. Depending on the angle and fitment determines wether the water hits the top of the bristles or slightly above .
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i just use 2 pencil jets in my brushes for most work,sometimes 2 fans for solar panels,gutter/fascia jobs..... thats it......i dont know how i could be quicker than i am now tbh!at times i can clean 6 semi detached houses in an hour(10 mins a house)using an xtreme pole and brush,hot water,high flow and rinsing on or off(depending on the type of glass)......
my concern with a rinse bar is sometimes i dont want to rinse above the top seal of some windows(or even clean the top frame for that matter)because of dodgy rubber seals,with pencils i can rinse accurately to prevent runs,i reckon this would be harder to achieve with a rinse bar.....
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Can’t be arsed to read the pages. I use an Ultimate Dupont that has gone out of shape a fair bit. How does the rinse bar reach over the bristles? Pics required I think!
It doesnt, not on the ultimate dupont. Too much splay, you need more appropriate brush.
I have two wide rinse bars , both have different angles on them. One has three degree angle with the rinse jets and one is 0 degree. The one with 0 degree has to be fitted so it sits proud of the brush stock and the other with the three degree angle sits flush with the brush stock. My ideal preference would be a 2 degree angle. Depending on the angle and fitment determines wether the water hits the top of the bristles or slightly above .
I’m sure my 35cm is 2 degrees it kind Of sits between high and low pressure rinse bar.
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Been using mine for the first time today with and without a swivel
Different, not sure if I were held say better.
Swivel is weird, it's horrible on sills but I quite like it on the glass.
Rinse bar, definitely easier on upstairs windows not having to lift the brush off the glass.....downstairs windows, if they are below waist height or patio doors it's awkward as the way the rinse bar works is to keep the brush horizontal....this means having to with angle the brush head up or stand at the side and use the swivel....not convinced on down stairs windows I think I preferred rinsing off as on downstairs I always scrub about 45 degree angle.
Overall I think it's good, better certainly on upstairs windows yes downstairs um maybe .
I think I need to try it more.
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I dont use a swivel.
Downstairs windows ie patio door, I stand to the side and work withthe brush sidewards as in the brush is vertical [ compared to landscape <> method.
Doesnt pose a problem and dries perfectly fine. Saying that though, i do use a good flow so its not trickling. Been doing it this way for quite a while now.
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Can’t be arsed to read the pages. I use an Ultimate Dupont that has gone out of shape a fair bit. How does the rinse bar reach over the bristles? Pics required I think!
It doesnt, not on the ultimate dupont. Too much splay, you need more appropriate brush.
Any pics " Mr i can't be arsed to rinse anymore?
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Been using mine for the first time today with and without a swivel
Different, not sure if I were held say better.
Swivel is weird, it's horrible on sills but I quite like it on the glass.
Rinse bar, definitely easier on upstairs windows not having to lift the brush off the glass.....downstairs windows, if they are below waist height or patio doors it's awkward as the way the rinse bar works is to keep the brush horizontal....this means having to with angle the brush head up or stand at the side and use the swivel....not convinced on down stairs windows I think I preferred rinsing off as on downstairs I always scrub about 45 degree angle.
Overall I think it's good, better certainly on upstairs windows yes downstairs um maybe .
I think I need to try it more.
Swivel horrible on sills............What I do is when I get to the sills, I tilt the brush slightly at an angle so it's a third over the sill edge and two thirds remaining on the sill and slide along, might find it easier for you that way. Downstairs windows are easier to clean standing further back than normal with a rinse bar but adjust the brush head to angle higher so it covers ground level easier
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Been using mine for the first time today with and without a swivel
Different, not sure if I were held say better.
Swivel is weird, it's horrible on sills but I quite like it on the glass.
Rinse bar, definitely easier on upstairs windows not having to lift the brush off the glass.....downstairs windows, if they are below waist height or patio doors it's awkward as the way the rinse bar works is to keep the brush horizontal....this means having to with angle the brush head up or stand at the side and use the swivel....not convinced on down stairs windows I think I preferred rinsing off as on downstairs I always scrub about 45 degree angle.
Overall I think it's good, better certainly on upstairs windows yes downstairs um maybe .
I think I need to try it more.
Swivel horrible on sills............What I do is when I get to the sills, I tilt the brush slightly at an angle so it's a third over the sill edge and two thirds remaining on the sill and slide along, might find it easier for you that way. Downstairs windows are easier to clean standing further back than normal with a rinse bar but adjust the brush head to angle higher so it covers ground level easier
that is exactly how I clean the sill I don’t find it awkward just comes natural after a while, patio doors etc once again adjust the brush and face the door I never end down unless I really have too.
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Been using mine for the first time today with and without a swivel
Different, not sure if I were held say better.
Swivel is weird, it's horrible on sills but I quite like it on the glass.
Rinse bar, definitely easier on upstairs windows not having to lift the brush off the glass.....downstairs windows, if they are below waist height or patio doors it's awkward as the way the rinse bar works is to keep the brush horizontal....this means having to with angle the brush head up or stand at the side and use the swivel....not convinced on down stairs windows I think I preferred rinsing off as on downstairs I always scrub about 45 degree angle.
Overall I think it's good, better certainly on upstairs windows yes downstairs um maybe .
I think I need to try it more.
Swivel horrible on sills............What I do is when I get to the sills, I tilt the brush slightly at an angle so it's a third over the sill edge and two thirds remaining on the sill and slide along, might find it easier for you that way. Downstairs windows are easier to clean standing further back than normal with a rinse bar but adjust the brush head to angle higher so it covers ground level easier
Yeh with sills it's probably a technique thing I'm used to cleaning without a swivel. When you push the brush into the sill with a swivel it wants to move and swivel all over the shop. Just need practice.
As for downstairs yes you have to step right back and angle the brush up a lot,it's a weird method. Much easier standing to the side.
I'll try it for a full week next week.
To be honest swivel or no swivel, rinse bar or no rinse bar I could work with both....it's just what you get used to I don't think there's much in it either way