[Ian Gourlay]

What equipment would you need to be as well equiped as a CheM Dry Franchisee.

Regards

Ian


What equipment would you need to be aswell equiped as a Rainbow Franchisee.

Ps

How much do they charge per square foot

How much do they charge to clean a suite.



Regards


Ian
Ian

[Scots_cleaner]

who said chem dry are any good!

They charge £60 satndard L\RM then roughly 30 per room in my area
Suites from £70
All these companys have going for them is the insusance work and they seem to be moaning about that too as for equipment.
Steempro powermax with inline heater or a TM depends on budget.
two dryers

Lots of guys will say ninjas but i like prochem machines for reliability
Cant wait for more on this one
Barry...

[Mike Halliday]

A mop & bucket

Actually I use a cafe next to a unit owned by a local Chemdry I often glance through the window as i drive past he must have about 20 airmovers and 20 Dehumidifiers plus lots of other kit, he looks like he has a big set up,

I think if you have a good portable, some turbo -dryers, a rotory, a vac you would'nt be far off.

i quoted a job a couple of weeks ago they showed me a quote from chemdry the suite was £100 +vat or £150 with protector.

the livingroom was from £45 to £60 depending on what 'package' they chose.

Mike

[Cloverleaf]

I'v been to many a customer where they have had Chem Dry before, the carpets took 2 days to dry!

What about their carbonating system! :

Maybe a unique selling point, but for goodness sake, what is it!

[Dynafoam]

Cloverleaf,

Wow- magic corbonated cleaning !!

Sounds pretty much like a formula I was playing with 38 years ago (note Dynafoam), in the days when it was not feasable to get sufficient horsepower out of a 13amp ring main to make HWE cleaning, as we know it today, viable.

Basicaly a high-solids, neutral shampoo, sodium bicarbonate and citric acid. The reaction of the latter two chemicals produce CO₂, the effervesance boosting the action of the shampoo.

I do occasionally use something similar now on some water damaged carpets but mix Oxibright and Fibrebuff with the shampoo to produce an oxgen effervesance.

John.

[Ivar_Haglund]

well since I am a all method cleaner


Truck mount HWE  and Dry cleaning

Carpet 123 evrio friendly cleans great and I use a OP machine Random orbit.

Cotton pads

system work great for pre scrub for truck mount

and post padding after on commerical carpet.

Or as a stand alone system

I give the customer what they want.

Not what I think they need

IVAR

[carpetmas5]

Ivar, Where did you buy your OP macine? & how much?

[Ivar_Haglund]

www.challengerop.com

They are not cheap but worth it.

[nick_brown]

Please remember that Chem Dry is a process ,how you use it and your dedication  to achieving the best end result is down to the operator-  I have no doubt that we have  some   inferior operators in our system ,for our operation one of the first and trained by Roberts Harris the founder from USA   we test the carpet just cleaned with a white cotton towel to make  sure that it is clean-  
Merry Christmas to all of you hard working carpet cleaners-one of the most undervalued services-if people only realised the pollutants trapped in carpets!!!!  

[Ken Wainwright]

To be as good as Chem-Dry, or Rainbow International, or Servicemaster, or John, Mike, Mark or me et al, you you need good training and then be able to put it into practice. The NCCA are a good place to start. Premium prices will naturally follow.
Safe and happy cleaning:)
Ken

[Derek]

Hi

There are always going to be good and bad operators both in and out of franchises.

Over the years I have met some excellent franchisees from all of the major Companies I have also come across some of the 'not so good' ones.

Ken, is absolutely right... the first stop should always be a 'good' informative training course.

Not only should you go on a training course to learn but you should also put the knowledge learned into practice.
Many cleaners go wrong by simply forgetting what they have learned and deciding to 'wing it' and proceed to cut corners.

Derek

[Jim_Lynch]

I don't believe it's the equipment that makes a good, professional cleaner. A person with a toothbrush and cleaner and the right motivation could outperform someone with the latest TM, but who is lacking in motivation to perform the BEST .
It is the commonsense things you should be looking at, not trying to be a clone...
Turn up on time
Be well presented...no piercings, long unkempt hair, clean shaven, clean shirt and pants. I am not all that fussed about a uniform..I wear a clean white golf shirt and permanent press slacks.
Have a clean, signwritten vehicle that the customer won't be embarrassed to have parked in their driveway.
Have clean, well presented equipment, whether it be a TM,porty,buffer...
Treat the customers' property as your own
Clean up after yourself...mop the tiles/vinyl, sweep the front porch. These little things will leave a lasting impression when you happy customer recommends you to her friends.
Be professional at all times...specify a firm price upfront after your inspection, adopt a friendly attitude(even if you have a hangover!), clean a few mats for free, don't be heavy on upselling...
Ask for referrals after the job...

It's not rocket science, but it's amazing the number of cowboys you see and hear about who either can't or won't appreciate the small things...

ChemDry is just another way of cleaning carpets..don't read anything more into it. Just adopt a commonsense approach to your business,look after the small things and your business will prosper.

Jim...a down under CD

[R.P.CLEANING]

Did a job thursday, they had a coke stain on the carpet that a chemdry firm could not remove. I got shot of it no problem.
The best part is the guy who cleaned it ditch chem dry and now use HWE. So to be as good as some of them you don't need any equipment at all,because that won't remove the stain either
Cheers Rod

[strakercleaning]

Do not need to be as GOOD as Chem-Dry. Just be as GOOD as you CAN be. Training, Common sense and Caution..............then you will be as GOOD as anyone who reads this thread.
You have the best equipment all ready : BRAIN
Think first before you answer telephone, visit, estimate, set-up, test, carry out job, pack away, invoice etc.........it works better than ANY technology

[safecleanlakes]

Can someone explain what the fixation is with who uses what and who charges what and who is best. Each and every system invented, franchise or not, will find a  customer. You can have the best set up in the world, if a customer doesn't want it then the customer won't have it. You survive or go under by your methods and results, perform then your business performs. Some will charge low, some a lot higher, if the individual customer is happy, then the odds are you will be used again and recommended, if not, then the answer is pretty obvious. Some people will always go for the cheapest quote, and unfortunately there are plenty out there prepared to give it to them. As the saying goes, "you get what you pay for." The main concern to me is the effect that the amateurs within this industry create in the publics perception of us, and how this ultimately affects all of us.

[John_Flynn]

Remember lads and lasses

YOU are what you think YOU are!!  

[Mark Betts]

Blimey John

I agree with you hahahaha

I agree with safe clean.

If you are happy with what u are charging then good for you, stuff the rest, the other company doesnt have to pay your bills, You have diferent overheads to your competitor, you may have different ambitions/ideals in life etc etc.

Acase in point.

I have a local franchise not far from me.

I have met him on a couple of occassions at various  do,s  u kow tyrade show  , semonars etc etc  and got on well with him.

The last time i met him we got talking about prices    well it transpired that i was charging a little less than him for upholstery but about the same for carpets.

Well he was not happy, it seemed to really bug him!!!  Yet he was busy and I was busy in exactly  the same area so why the problem.

Anyway for the next 2 days everytime i met him he just kept going on and on about my lower uph charges than his!!!  But why??


There is far too much emphasis on these boards as to what people are charging!!  Yes i agree that it s not good business sense to charge really low prices.

In order to "set" your price you dont go by what the other guy is charging.

First of all you have to work out your cost of doing busuiness.

Cost of van
materials
insurance
chemicals
advertising
TAX
Repairs
Machinery.

Then you work out how many hours per week you need to be "at the wand " to cover these. Then you add on the profit for yourself.

It doesnt matter if you are  afranchise or on your own.

We are in business for ourselves and our families not for the other cleaner down the road.!!!


Ahhhhhhh   I feel better now  


Mark

[John_Flynn]

Your reading the words of a Wise Man, Mark!!

[Ken Wainwright]

Dear Safecleanlakes

I can understand where you're coming from re. prices and kit etc. If the same questions were coming from the same people all of the time, then that would raise concern, especially about prices. There  are several things though that we need to remember. For such a specialised industry, it is quite diverse. We find many newbies seeking advice on all aspects of the industry and business. They are on a steep learning curve, and benefitting from our experience. As far as prices are concerned, it must be quite difficult for a newbie to know where to pitch. We often find that even the more experienced members will find themselves in an area new to them. They naturally want to be competitive but also maximise their profit potential.

The equipment issue also raises many benefits when topics  are discussed over and over again. I have learnt much even though I class myself as being a reasonably knowledgeable tradesman. Classic examples of equipment/solution usage that I would be missing out on without these forums are using a host machine to agitate pre-spray (thanks Clive and Paul) Microsplitting (thanks Dave) Sodium Met. (thanks again Dave, I think) and Citrus Gel for Lily Pollen (can't remember who to credit for that one).

The issues you've raised Safey, are the very reasons why these Forums exist. You'll probably read, like I have, the same debate on many occasions during any given year. One day you'll give someone elses idea a try and wonder why you haven't tried it before. I have been satisfied with my pricing structure, and was going to up my prices on the 1st of Jan by 40p M. After reading these boards, I'll now be increasing by 80p.

Safe and happy cleaning:)
Ken

[Mike Halliday]

there is a lot of crap talked about price, I'll tell you the truth

how much you charge has nothing to do with working exspenses (this will only give you a minimum amount you should charge) its about how much you think you can screw out of the customer. Some people will read that with horror.

but for example, Ken is putting up his prices by 80p say this if a 25% price increase, has his expensese gone up by 25%?, on the 1st of jan will his cleaning improve by 25%?...... NO. he has decided to screw another 80p out of the customer.


I'm sure no one will admit to 'screwing' customers they will justify thier prices by saying they give great service & fantastic cleaning, but what's the differance betreen a £35 suite cleaner and a £150 suite cleaner if they both give great service & fantastic cleaning. The difference is the £150 cleaners is willing to screw an extra £115 out of the customer.

someone will say that price is about the value you put on yourself, if this is the case then most of the time  the customer is paying for your over-inflated self opinion.

Mike

PS Ken I mention you with the upmost respect and mean no insult, I don't think there's anything wrong with aiming for an extra 80p