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No it's Defarmation

[AuRavelling79]

I know James Turnbull - but look at his spelling!  

[JamesTurnbull]

ahh right matey, did catch ya there lol

[stephen s]

Our leetle old town (Frome, Somerset) has a population of 24000. On the smallish side, yet Ironics have now sold 3 van systems here. This Reach & Wash trade mark is now worth diddly squat & now these 3 chaps are gonna find it tough to get the custies. If they were trulyconcernrd for their own customers then they wouldn't have done this & I reckon if one fails he could chase ironics through the courts as they led him to beleive there were rich pickings on the back of the exclusivity of the Reach & Wash Logo.

Kevin.

24,000 eh    well surely they cant all be as dim witted as you 

[AuRavelling79]

Of course stephen s if the ionics guys let their custies cancel a clean at the drop of a hat that will erode their base too! 

[kevin James]

Ditto

Ionics do not promise any sort of exclusivity.  If they did they would have to guarantee there were no other window cleaners using any sort of similar system in the area of each sale.

Just because someone who lives in Fome bought a system doesn't restrict them to working only in Frome
 

if ironics send out solicitors letters to anyone using this logo who hasn't their gear & so are prepared to spend money in the courts defending this logo, then surely they place a high value on it? Thus value will only be maintained if there us some scacity value. If areas are flooded with the gear then a pricewar ensues & everyone loses Inc ironics.  If you're seriously in business then you follow a business plan. They ain't following no plan & in fact are shooting themselves in the foot.
My littlle hobo system will outlast & outquote these vans & I feel for the poor dupes who will end ip in fleabay.

Kevin

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POPCORN MOTHER!

[stephen s]

Ditto

Ionics do not promise any sort of exclusivity.  If they did they would have to guarantee there were no other window cleaners using any sort of similar system in the area of each sale.

Just because someone who lives in Fome bought a system doesn't restrict them to working only in Frome
 

if ironics send out solicitors letters to anyone using this logo who hasn't their gear & so are prepared to spend money in the courts defending this logo, then surely they place a high value on it? Thus value will only be maintained if there us some scacity value. If areas are flooded with the gear then a pricewar ensues & everyone loses Inc ironics.  If you're seriously in business then you follow a business plan. They ain't following no plan & in fact are shooting themselves in the foot.
My littlle hobo system will outlast & outquote these vans & I feel for the poor dupes who will end ip in fleabay.

Kevin

you have a business plan ? WOW that changes the whole complaction of this topic,     I must subscribe to your mailing lists

[matt]

I dont know you kevin and bear no grudge, but to say thet Ionics in legal danger ? id a joke after your you wfp system, have a look at the h & safety issues on that thing, the list is too long to say what you could sue for and I hope ionics sues you for defarmation


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idealrob

... sues you for defarmation? What's that idealrob; I know kevin comes from carrotcruncher land but he doesn't go round stealing farms!

 

its all the rage, a good earner to store caravans on by all accounts

[stephen s]

Of course stephen s if the ionics guys let their custies cancel a clean at the drop of a hat that will erode their base too! 

they don't need to drop hats mate, they just tell me on the phone saves me a journey and I can just book something else in,   a little communication can make all the differnce.

[matt]

I dont know you kevin and bear no grudge, but to say thet Ionics in legal danger ? id a joke after your you wfp system, have a look at the h & safety issues on that thing, the list is too long to say what you could sue for and I hope ionics sues you for defarmation



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idealrob

do Ironics have a exclusive right on every term to do with "hot" ? ? ?

THE HOTTIE

its because he uses hot water

why would they sue ? ?  ? ?

I think you have got a bit confused here matt, I dont think robert is on about the term "hot" but more that kevin is slandering ionics, with information that "could" be untrue,

Ionics could happly ask kevin where the idea of the exclusivity is about there logo.

i am not sure, as why did he include the link to the "Hottie" ? ??

[JamesTurnbull]

Ditto

Ionics do not promise any sort of exclusivity.  If they did they would have to guarantee there were no other window cleaners using any sort of similar system in the area of each sale.

Just because someone who lives in Fome bought a system doesn't restrict them to working only in Frome
 

if ironics send out solicitors letters to anyone using this logo who hasn't their gear & so are prepared to spend money in the courts defending this logo, then surely they place a high value on it? Thus value will only be maintained if there us some scacity value. If areas are flooded with the gear then a pricewar ensues & everyone loses Inc ironics.  If you're seriously in business then you follow a business plan. They ain't following no plan & in fact are shooting themselves in the foot.
My littlle hobo system will outlast & outquote these vans & I feel for the poor dupes who will end ip in fleabay.

Kevin

Ionics have a right to stop people using there logo, if they dont have a ionics system, Regardless of this you should starting knocking companys for selling there products, Does it matter if 3 people have a certain type of make of WFP system, how many people have a pure freedom or brodex system, or a i dont see you telling us that fig?,
Ionics is not a franchise, anyone can buy one for their system, same as purefreedom and brodex, Its in there best interest to sell as many as pos.
Ionics never tell there customer that there logo makes them money. I don’t understand where you got that from??

[Count Phil]

Given a choice between the hottie at a few hundred quid and an ionics at 8k i'm afraid it has to be the ionics. And i'm a diyer.

Sorry. Why not take a look at their brochure?

[matt]

Ditto

Ionics do not promise any sort of exclusivity.  If they did they would have to guarantee there were no other window cleaners using any sort of similar system in the area of each sale.

Just because someone who lives in Fome bought a system doesn't restrict them to working only in Frome
 

if ironics send out solicitors letters to anyone using this logo who hasn't their gear & so are prepared to spend money in the courts defending this logo, then surely they place a high value on it? Thus value will only be maintained if there us some scacity value. If areas are flooded with the gear then a pricewar ensues & everyone loses Inc ironics.  If you're seriously in business then you follow a business plan. They ain't following no plan & in fact are shooting themselves in the foot.
My littlle hobo system will outlast & outquote these vans & I feel for the poor dupes who will end ip in fleabay.

Kevin

Ionics never tell there customer that there logo makes them money. I don’t understand where you got that from??

salesmen will tell the customer what they think they want to hear, that can not be disputed

i have sat in on a sales demo van presentation, the salesman was coming out will all great things, some of it was laughable to be honest and the guy who was having the demo rolled his eyes a few times

[JamesTurnbull]

That never happend to me when i got my system,

I just looked around the market, thought ionics was a little bit more money than every else, so when to brodex, the guy took to long to get back to me, so when to ionce and they jsut quote me a price, no fancy sales pitchs and none of this "this system will make me £50 for a council house" stuff.

The thing is, im happy for DIY people, it shows a lot when you can build a system up for a lot cheaper and make it to your own spec, but it doesnt give certain people the right to knock system that they absolutely know nothing about.

We should start a thread to knock DIY system and see how they like it, i know a certain system that i would like to start with, i think it has "hot" in it some where.

Ionics make good system for people who want to buy them, they dont force people to have there systems.

[kevin James]

Aaaghh James,

I wasn't knocking the ionics system at all. It's very good quality.
My halfpenny worth was over the fact that they seem to lack integrity.
We have youngsters round here who, due to their age, are naive enough to buy lovely systems without good business plans.
A responsible firm, I would hope, would help them succeed and I doubt whether that's happening from the evidence round here. I had a business failure many moons ago & it ain't pretty. Why can't business have a heart? I dont go for dog eat dog.

Kevin.   

[SimonMoore]

lol

[stephen s]

lol i may be young but no way am i naive,

lol

those vans are mine im doing fine thanks dont think there end up on ebay any time soon pmsl.

 I think theres more like than 4 or 5 ionics vans  in frome

i was never under any faulse impression that having them would get me more work.

I was never sold a territory, i dont need anyone to tell me where im allowed to clean windows as i am my own boss.

Anyone buying an ionics van or diy, can fail at this, but having professional tools has paid off in my case anyway.
Ive built my customer base in a matter of months tbh not many people care how you clean the windows resi as long as you do a good job, but for commercial the system is impressive to look at and really sells it self .
it looks good for them to have us parked outside cleaning their windows.
I was recently in a car crash and if i had an unsecured ton of water hurling at me i would be finished.I very nearly was anyway. I paid the extra for the crash testing alone i am happy to do so.
i hate all this ionics bashing

well said mate.

sadly this forum has quite a few so called w/cs who dislike anyone spending money on a well made system and fitted safely with your safety in mind.         when their not knocking Ionics they are usually knocking their own customers for wanting to leave a clean for a month    same old moaning people over and over

never mind its the weekend        and I'm working saturday with my Ionics pro 5 thermapure  and that has picked me work up 

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I can't keep up with all this deleting 

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................................................................. so the conclusion of all this is Frome is the windowcleaning hub of the world at the moment.