[AuRavelling79]

The thing is dose any one know why he is selling? well i have brought an ionics system 650Lt pro6 with out the ionics sales pitch. You see i saw my redundancy coming 2/3 years before it happen, so what i did was buy some hand tools and got out to see if i could hack it especially in the winter. I started of doing friends and neighbors. I looked on message boards like this one then quickly found out what was on offer in the WFP market. I have looked at a lot of them and for me none come close to ionics systems. i wonder how many people on here if they had the money would buy one?

I didn't.

I'm glad.

[Mike_G]

The thing is dose any one know why he is selling? well i have brought an ionics system 650Lt pro6 with out the ionics sales pitch. You see i saw my redundancy coming 2/3 years before it happen, so what i did was buy some hand tools and got out to see if i could hack it especially in the winter. I started of doing friends and neighbors. I looked on message boards like this one then quickly found out what was on offer in the WFP market. I have looked at a lot of them and for me none come close to ionics systems. i wonder how many people on here if they had the money would buy one?

Thats just the thing Steve you did it sensibly ( in my opinion) build up some business and then upgrade your equipment and while we do not know the reason why this guy is selling, perhaps he has won the lottery?  one thing is for sure it cannot be because he is upgrading, and there has been an awful lot of kit for sale on e-bay lately from would be millionaires finding out window cleaning is not as easy as some people make out, they have splashed out an awful lot of money for the van and the wfp system only to find it a struggle to find customers, it can take an awful long time to build up a good client base and forking out thousands of pounds upfront before you have much work is madness. As the old saying goes you have to learn to walk before you can run.

Oh and yes I have the money to buy an ionic system, will I ? Doubtful

[david watts]

i like brodex and ionics both good kit would like a thermopure set up
with a van wrap you know with the logo.
it is good kit well made

[ccmids]

i like the system ive got if i have any spare money i will add a water heater,but would not buy ionics or brodex .

[Mike_G]

Whats the brodex hot water system like and for that matter do they even do one?

[Steve_c]

That's a fair comment, sure i can completely understand that people who start up buy blowing all their redundancy pay with out any understanding of what is involved might give up. Maybe the chap who is selling couldn't handle the winter? who knows. My customer base is growing all the time and I'm happy with the way its going. When i started my customer base was very small but i knew what was involved. The main concern for me was the winter, because i have work in print for over 20 years, so i hadn't experience a winter working outdoors. Well including this winter no problem.........Gold why are you glad? I'm sure most new start ups give up because of the winter.

[matt]

That's a fair comment, sure i can completely understand that people who start up buy blowing all their redundancy pay with out any understanding of what is involved might give up. Maybe the chap who is selling couldn't handle the winter? who knows. My customer base is growing all the time and I'm happy with the way its going. When i started my customer base was very small but i knew what was involved. The main concern for me was the winter, because i have work in print for over 20 years, so i hadn't experience a winter working outdoors. Well including this winter no problem.........Gold why are you glad? I'm sure most new start up give up because of the winter.

this is my issue, the sales team promise you that if you get the " system " work will flood your way without even trying, some1 who doesnt know better will buy the story and they have just shelled out 30 K and have no work

would i buy 1, no, as i know ( as we all do on here ) what the components are ( you know the shurflow / flowjet pump etc etc ), they really are simple to buy off the shelf and fit in a van, so why pay OTT for some1 else to do it for you ? ? ? ? now i have heard the arguements for the last few years, i still would still do it the way i have, even if i had 100 K redundancy to blow, i have issues with wasting money and for me to buy it would be a waste of money

[Steve_c]

That's a fair comment, sure i can completely understand that people who start up buy blowing all their redundancy pay with out any understanding of what is involved might give up. Maybe the chap who is selling couldn't handle the winter? who knows. My customer base is growing all the time and I'm happy with the way its going. When i started my customer base was very small but i knew what was involved. The main concern for me was the winter, because i have work in print for over 20 years, so i hadn't experience a winter working outdoors. Well including this winter no problem.........Gold why are you glad? I'm sure most new start up give up because of the winter.

this is my issue, the sales team promise you that if you get the " system " work will flood your way without even trying, some1 who doesnt know better will buy the story and they have just shelled out 30 K and have no work

would i buy 1, no, as i know ( as we all do on here ) what the components are ( you know the shurflow / flowjet pump etc etc ), they really are simple to buy off the shelf and fit in a van, so why pay OTT for some1 else to do it for you ? ? ? ? now i have heard the arguements for the last few years, i still would still do it the way i have, even if i had 100 K redundancy to blow, i have issues with wasting money and for me to buy it would be a waste of money

But that's just it i didn't bother with a salesman i knew what i wanted, and as for the promise of the money will come rolling in come on Matt are you sure they say that?

[stephen s]

as you find on these forums is that a lot of people who havent even tried or seen an Ionic system start ranting on about how bad value they are,   I bet those very same people would love to have one.



Ionics make the best systems by a long long way and no one else even comes near to them     and as we say on her IMO

[NWH]

Most of the people you see with this setup are guy`s that have been made redundant and have an amount of money to invest in a new venture,anyone who knows anything about this job would not spend that kind of cash.

[bobby p]

Most of the people you see with this setup are guy`s that have been made redundant and have an amount of money to invest in a new venture,anyone who knows anything about this job would not spend that kind of cash.

but if theres no buyer forethcoming  , what do you think happens to a setup like he has got for sale ???i hope he finds a buyer

[NWH]

He will sell it now easily and why you ask,because the price he will get now for it will be the true price that it is worth ie under 20k with van.

[dd]

I had a demo from Ionics 4 years ago and the salesman told me that if I got a thermopure system it would get me commercial work (I assumed he meant from the signwritten van).

Ionics systems may be good but I don't see how you can claim they are the best. I prefer the system I have and it cost a lot less.

[Clive McDonald]

I have to back steven s up or anyone reading this forum will think it's full of luddite idiots. The extremes of salesmans fancy promises, and the idea that you can have the same thing for very little are both distortions.

Fact many people have jumped straight in with a turn key ionics and built fabulous businesses in no time flat.

Fact many people have done a great deal of research on places like this forum, spent a great deal less, and also done very well.

It's also a fact that hardly anyone has spent almost nothing and done very well.It's a sweeping statement but the more you are prepared to invest the more you will make. If we are talking about making money and building a business (forget or leave aside trad or wfp arguments) then you need to spend.Posts on here about, i'm hoping to switch next year as funds allow but will start with a back pack or trolley first, are not something i sneer at exactly, but always i think they are making life very hard for themselves.

Matt is a great guy and has helped start hundreds if not thousands via his diy website and with practical knowledge that he is prepared to share.He runs a sound business himself but  doesn't like fancy over priced systems, fancy wrapped or sign written vans, and any large expenditure that can be done just as well more cheaply. The problem with this is that those of us that waste all this money tend to make more money. Not in every case, but in very many cases

The guy selling on ebay probably did fail, but i bet a good seven out of ten who buy such systems do well.





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[daz1977]

i dont know about any one else but if he pulled up at my house to clean the windows, i would start to think that this is going to be expensive

[ccmids]

thats true i would think the same.

[JamesTurnbull]

The thing is dose any one know why he is selling? well i have brought an ionics system 650Lt pro6 with out the ionics sales pitch. You see i saw my redundancy coming 2/3 years before it happen, so what i did was buy some hand tools and got out to see if i could hack it especially in the winter. I started of doing friends and neighbors. I looked on message boards like this one then quickly found out what was on offer in the WFP market. I have looked at a lot of them and for me none come close to ionics systems. i wonder how many people on here if they had the money would buy one?

This is the same as me, i looked around the market and found that ionics came up the best.

I did get over £2000 off the price tho, which made it cheaper than a pure freedom set up.

[ftp]

Slumps, is it a case of having to make more money?
If you invest loads then you must earn loads to survive. Do you think your net wage is much higher than Matts? Not critisizing just pointing something out. I'm not sure big investment is always nessesary.

[matt]

Matt is a great guy and has helped start hundreds if not thousands via his diy website and with practical knowledge that he is prepared to share.He runs a sound business himself but  doesn't like fancy over priced systems, fancy wrapped or sign written vans, and any large expenditure that can be done just as well more cheaply. The problem with this is that those of us that waste all this money tend to make more money. Not in every case, but in very many cases

slumpy do not mistake my lack of spending money on a lack of earnings, i just prefere to spend it on other things ( as well people know )

just because you do not hear me boasting what i earn, doesnt mean i am poor

people seem to fall for the above mistakes a fair bit

i have mentioned the time i was a carpenter, i used to have the best kit money could buy ( and i mean that, money no object, i even imported a hammer from the USA because i knew it was the best framing hammer ), the top end power tools, a hand tool set that would have made norm abrams weep with joy, when i would borrow other people tools on jobs ( if i was working with them ) i would look at them and think " i have a better hammer, plane etc etc "
YET they still did the same job as me, the tools do not make the job

i guess this was when i was younger and when i grew older and wiser you realize the shiney tools and van do not make you any better, people just want a good job done by a honest bloke ( this is the image i portray and it works for both sectors of my work, which last weeks phone call for a rather too big a job ( for me )  proved, the director asked for me personally, its because he trusts me to do a good job for a honest price ( ish )

[ftp]

I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job   I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.