[matt]

I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job   I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.

Oi !!!!!

it was 22 quid, i had to buy the superglue to stick sections in pairs

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

The person behind the machine is what counts.

Spend as much as you like, if the person can't do it, the machine certainly can't.

[matt]

I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job   I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.

do you know what i see when i read that

2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on

though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad  

[R W C™]

Ill be buying a nice new flashy system and van every 3 years, rather that then the tax man having it 

[Steve_c]

No your so wrong  i don't  have a flash van, yes its sign written  and i have ionic pro 6. For a start off the customer doesn't see the system and don't give a monkeys what it looks like. Its all about appearance reliability, affordability, doing the job right and giving a customer exactly what they want. I have pick up to jobs last week where the customer said " I have not seen him since mid November." Its turns out the guy had a rust bucket of a car, ladders on a roof rack tide on with string smoked while doing the job and they never knew when he was coming,  So you turn up at a customers house well presented and give a good account of what you can offer I'm sure straight away a element of trust is built, not i bet this guy is expensive more like he looks ok will give him a try.

[dd]

Ill be buying a nice new flashy system and van every 3 years, rather that then the tax man having it 

So instead of the tax man, the van and wfp systems salesman get it instead.

[R W C™]

Ill be buying a nice new flashy system and van every 3 years, rather that then the tax man having it 

So instead of the tax man, the van and wfp systems salesman get it instead.

Yep and I get a new system and van to drive round in. 

[sparklebright]

One thing I can guarantee. If you buy an expensive system, you will make about the same amount of money as with a good diy system.
As with most things you can buy. Someone will make one that's 10% better, but costs about 60% more, that's commerce. If you wish to fall for it, that's up to you.
I think what people are saying is that it can be done almost as good but much cheaper.
Their systems are good and they do not know the meaning of the word 'bodge' but with a little imagination and effort you do not need to spend thousands to set up as WFP.
Their ad should read 'We can promise you that if you buy one of our systems, we will make more money than you'

In the 7 years I have doing this NOT ONE customer has taken as interest in the equipment in my van....Why would they?

[AuRavelling79]

Further up the page I'm asked why I'm glad I didn't buy an Ionics setup.

The answer is I have tailor built mine to work for me and my business. I am not averse to buying new or decent stuff where necessary. So I decided on a new van (I could have gone for one a few years old but wanted warranty and reliability) - but only a 1.3 Doblo that will let me take 500 litres as a single op. I even bought an SLX last year but everything else is bought and put together by me - but it's dead simple with the advice you get on here.

I mean what is it? A tank full of purified water being sucked on by a pump and fed to a brush? It's a glorified screen wash system built on heavy duty lines! That bit is easy to make reliable. How long to source and build from scratch - a week or two tops if I go canvassing in between. I don't need bits of shiny aluminium and a "crippled man" logo thank you.

If I am going to spend 30K it would be paying myself and adult family to canvass and get business - not on some gearbox failing "big" shiny van that can't get on some of my custies drives and park down village lanes without blocking them. And certainly not lining somebody elses's pocket big time so they can pontificate about how their logo will get me work and have custies fawning all over me to beat a path to my door.

And I know that some get it on finance - sorry if I want a second mortgage of a grand a month for three years then I'll put it towards property thanks.

[matt]

I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job   I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.

do you know what i see when i read that

2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on

though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad  

I think the pole & brush are the one (or two) pieces of equipment you shouldn’t skimp on matt, that’s the money earning equipment, people are posting about Brodex aluminium pole now, but the reason is the price of the pole, if a carbon fibre was the same price how many would buy the aluminium pole?

Fair enough you can pretty much do the rest of the system yourself, especially if you have a static water production set up and have a basic (Pure freedom system) without the fancy trimmings all for a couple of grand.

i agree Ewan

BUT i also think that the lightness of the fishing pole makes it 2nd to none for me
My brush is a trimmed down Vikan, a outstanding brush

so even though the price of them are low, the quality hasnt been skimped on

[Frankybadboy]

I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job   I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.

do you know what i see when i read that

2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on

though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad  

I think the pole & brush are the one (or two) pieces of equipment you shouldn’t skimp on matt, that’s the money earning equipment, people are posting about Brodex aluminium pole now, but the reason is the price of the pole, if a carbon fibre was the same price how many would buy the aluminium pole?

Fair enough you can pretty much do the rest of the system yourself, especially if you have a static water production set up and have a basic (Pure freedom system) without the fancy trimmings all for a couple of grand.

i agree Ewan

BUT i also think that the lightness of the fishing pole makes it 2nd to none for me
My brush is a trimmed down Vikan, a outstanding brush

so even though the price of them are low, the quality hasnt been skimped on

matt do you have enough money for some more cream 

[stephen s]

I LOVE IONICS   best quality system on the market    amd the next system I buy will be another Ionics.

[ccmids]

the sales team have certainly convinced you 

[stephen s]

the sales team have certainly convinced you 

no chief I convinced me,     and thats all the sales patter I need

[AuRavelling79]

I LOVE IONICS   best quality system on the market    amd the next system I buy will be another Ionics.

Are you on commission stephen s? 

[Cheap Skate]

2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us

2 grand for transport to a glorified fun fare

[sparklebright]

2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us

2 grand for transport to a glorified fun fare

Sorry mate but you just sound jealous

[matt]

I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job   I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.

do you know what i see when i read that

2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on

though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad  

I think the pole & brush are the one (or two) pieces of equipment you shouldn’t skimp on matt, that’s the money earning equipment, people are posting about Brodex aluminium pole now, but the reason is the price of the pole, if a carbon fibre was the same price how many would buy the aluminium pole?

Fair enough you can pretty much do the rest of the system yourself, especially if you have a static water production set up and have a basic (Pure freedom system) without the fancy trimmings all for a couple of grand.

i agree Ewan

BUT i also think that the lightness of the fishing pole makes it 2nd to none for me
My brush is a trimmed down Vikan, a outstanding brush

so even though the price of them are low, the quality hasnt been skimped on

matt do you have enough money for some more cream 

argh, yes, very important

funny enough we got some last trip to tesco's 

[matt]

2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us

2 grand for transport to a glorified fun fare

with the name cheap skate, i guess your some1 else on here just on the wind up

glorified fun fare, you have never been then  :

[Cheap Skate]

Sorry mate but you just sound jealous

When I was 6 or 7 I might have wanted to visit the centre of US culture