[Sean Dyer]

can i put someone on manchester dave ?

sean

[david willis]

can i put someone on manchester dave ?

sean

Hi Sean

Hope you and the family are keeping well

I can allocate a space for Manchester, email me the details of the person you wish to place on and I will send all relevant info over.

Thanks

David

[steve a]

Sounds like something fishy going on here, why should it cost you money eg time off for you and workers taking part and travelling etc.

We have just gone through the NVQ level 2 course with Preston college and they come out to you to visit to set up course times and what you need to do on certain dates they gave us folders and worked times around our work. At no time did we have to visit college, all assessing was done on the job, my jobs, that is.

The assessor would ring the day before to check every thing was OK for them to come to wherever we were working that day. They were aware of all aspects of window cleaning and even I who has been doing it for thirty odd years was amazed at how knowledgable they were.

Ask this guy about doing the course on the job.

They contacted me.
they came out to visit.
they gave us all the paperwork in my own premises.
They came and assessed us at our sites.(not just in Preston either).


Steve a

[mci services]

Sounds like something fishy going on here, why should it cost you money eg time off for you and workers taking part and travelling etc.

We have just gone through the NVQ level 2 course with Preston college and they come out to you to visit to set up course times and what you need to do on certain dates they gave us folders and worked times around our work. At no time did we have to visit college, all assessing was done on the job, my jobs, that is.

The assessor would ring the day before to check every thing was OK for them to come to wherever we were working that day. They were aware of all aspects of window cleaning and even I who has been doing it for thirty odd years was amazed at how knowledgable they were.

Ask this guy about doing the course on the job.

They contacted me.
they came out to visit.
they gave us all the paperwork in my own premises.
They came and assessed us at our sites.(not just in Preston either).


Steve a

thats exactly how it works with my lad who is being assesed at the moment. i dont have to give him time off to go to college and they come and visit us on site. always very helpfull

[WILLIS]

Just don't ask him anything about waterfed pole, because they know ZERO about wfp.

Yes thats right, a window cleaning course done by someone who knows nothing about waterfed poles.

        I think David covered this in the past however if in doubt readers should refer to earlier posts about DR qualification and experience 

[WILLIS]

Sounds like something fishy going on here, why should it cost you money eg time off for you and workers taking part and travelling etc.

We have just gone through the NVQ level 2 course with Preston college and they come out to you to visit to set up course times and what you need to do on certain dates they gave us folders and worked times around our work. At no time did we have to visit college, all assessing was done on the job, my jobs, that is.

The assessor would ring the day before to check every thing was OK for them to come to wherever we were working that day. They were aware of all aspects of window cleaning and even I who has been doing it for thirty odd years was amazed at how knowledgable they were.

Ask this guy about doing the course on the job.

They contacted me.
they came out to visit.
they gave us all the paperwork in my own premises.
They came and assessed us at our sites.(not just in Preston either).

Steve a 

I can confirm we provide all that Preston have provided you 

We do however also provide cutting edge training which after all was/should be the basis of Train to Gain surely

Would you be happy to advise the total hours your assessor / Preston has provided with you in total and also the Unit titles you have completed.

I am interested what qualification you had before taking the NVQ . This would not be experience but certification which Preston may have been used as prior learning.   

The training provided by us is supplied at our cost and is therefore above the  required total hours we need to provide. "Since you made a comment I am just genuinely interested"

[drwindows]

You really just don't understand what I'm saying.   I am not the one claiming I can train people.

You dont know anything about waterfed poles, as you have never used them.

How you can claim that you are going to train window cleaners when you know nothing about this vital area is beyond me.

I just dont see why you think that my experience changes this?

I have been a window cleaner for a couple of years using waterfed pole.  I am not claiming I can train people, YOU are.

Why don't you answer the point about you having no experience using waterfed poles, and that you don't know anything about using them?

No offense, but attacking me does not alter the fact that you have no experience using waterfed pole, but still somehow claim you can train people.

[daz1977]

how long will it be before the nvq is complusry just to get a job as a window cleaner,   on the plus side any one comeing in to it is class as an appretise and they only get paid 20 a day lol

[Tosh]

No offense, but attacking me does not alter the fact that you have no experience using waterfed pole, but still somehow claim you can train people.

That sounds about right to me.  Those who can, do.  And those who can't, teach.  Its the way it works.

[leapstallbuildings]

it isnt anything really about how to clean a window and it does touch alot on all aspects of cleaning , mainly heavy industrial areas where risks and legislation are high - mewps, cradles etc

why does everyone on here jump to bash something that someone is doing free mostly that benefits window cleaners, if you cant see thebenefit to your business, dont do it, its that simple - but dont knock it

I know the guys fairly well and they are both very knowledgable and really helpful

Too right.  I say reserve judgement until it's tried.  I've just applied for Crawley in March.  If it's at the local college, it's so close that I will walk in   

[david willis]

DR Windows

Can I make a suggestion

Why don't you sign up for our NVQ course, we don't need to know you are DR windows from the forum and actually meet our team and trainers, you will then have a true judgement on how competent you feel our trainers are and how good our course is.

I will then be very interested in your future comments whether they are positive or negative and it will be an interesting experiment for the forum in general

[daz1977]

david willis,  when r the classes in plymouth

can i sign up for 1 place

[drwindows]

The way I see it david, its like this:

You get funding from the government to run this course.

So, you get as many window cleaners as possible to come to it, and you get your fee for each one.  It doesnt actually cost the window cleaner anything (except time), but you get paid from the government for each one you train.

It doesnt matter that you don't actually know anything about one of the main method of window cleaning, because people arent going to complain about something thats free are they?.  It wouldn't even matter if the course is of no practical use, because its free.

You have said yourself that you wont do training where there is no funding (like scotland) which tells me a great deal.  It tells me that people would not pay for this.  Maybe if you were charging for this course people might demand their money back as it didn't, for example, cover the main method of window cleaning - waterfed poles.

But why complain if its free eh?  I'll tell you why.  Because its not free, that funding you get comes from our taxes, and nothing you have said has convinced me that this course is worth anything.  I object to paying tax only for people like you to pop up, who dont really know anything about what you claim to be training, but still do it because you get a fee from the government. To me that is little better than a scam.

That, and for the fact that I know more about the window cleaning that really matters - WFP - than you, is the reason I won't be coming.

If the funding from the government were to stop, as it might well do, then you would no longer do the course.

If you are so confident about how wonderful this training is, why don't you just charge the fee where there isnt any funding?

And out of interest, how much do you get from the government for each window cleaner? (I bet you don't answer that)

[david willis]

david willis,  when r the classes in plymouth

can i sign up for 1 place

You have mail

[david willis]

The way I see it david, its like this:

You get funding from the government to run this course.

So, you get as many window cleaners as possible to come to it, and you get your fee for each one.  It doesnt actually cost the window cleaner anything (except time), but you get paid from the government for each one you train.

It doesnt matter that you don't actually know anything about one of the main method of window cleaning, because people arent going to complain about something thats free are they?.  It wouldn't even matter if the course is of no practical use, because its free.

You have said yourself that you wont do training where there is no funding (like scotland) which tells me a great deal.  It tells me that people would not pay for this.  Maybe if you were charging for this course people might demand their money back as it didn't, for example, cover the main method of window cleaning - waterfed poles.

But why complain if its free eh?  I'll tell you why.  Because its not free, that funding you get comes from our taxes, and nothing you have said has convinced me that this course is worth anything.  I object to paying tax only for people like you to pop up, who dont really know anything about what you claim to be training, but still do it because you get a fee from the government. To me that is little better than a scam.

That, and for the fact that I know more about the window cleaning that really matters - WFP - than you, is the reason I won't be coming.

If the funding from the government were to stop, as it might well do, then you would no longer do the course.

If you are so confident about how wonderful this training is, why don't you just charge the fee where there isnt any funding?

And out of interest, how much do you get from the government for each window cleaner? (I bet you don't answer that)

Do you really believe that because the course is for free (if eligible) people would just not bother giving their true opinions?

You have said yourself that you wont do training where there is no funding (like scotland) which tells me a great deal......... We do not choose where the funding is allocated, would you come and clean my windows for free?

If you are so confident about how wonderful this training is, why don't you just charge the fee where there isnt any funding?..... if the interest was there, we would love too. Why deliver the training and charge people when the funding is available to those who don't have to pay?

[drwindows]

Why deliver the training and charge people when the funding is available to those who don't have to pay?

Because as we have seen, it is not always available, like in Scotland.  What you are saying is that you wont do it unless its free to the window cleaner.  Which says to me that you recognise that window cleaners would not pay for this.  And if I paid to go on so-called window cleaning training that missed out waterfed pole, then I would be asking for my money back.

If window cleaners themselves wont pay for it, because as you say 'the interest is not there' then why should the taxpayer foot the bill?

How much do you get from the government for each window cleaner?

[david willis]

Why deliver the training and charge people when the funding is available to those who don't have to pay?

Because as we have seen, it is not always available, like in Scotland.  What you are saying is that you wont do it unless its free to the window cleaner.  Which says to me that you recognise that window cleaners would not pay for this.  And if I paid to go on so-called window cleaning training that missed out waterfed pole, then I would be asking for my money back.

If window cleaners themselves wont pay for it, because as you say 'the interest is not there' then why should the taxpayer foot the bill?

How much do you get from the government for each window cleaner?

All our training dates and areas are on our website

We will be at the 'window cleaning' show Windex on stand B2.... we welcome you to come and meet us at any point and we will answer any questions you have face to face.

[drwindows]

We will be at the 'window cleaning' show Windex on stand B2.... we welcome you to come and meet us at any point and we will answer any questions you have face to face.

Cop-out

Why dont you just answer them here?

You're quite prepared to use the forum to get more people on your training so you can claim more money from the government, but you don't want to answer any of the awkward questions.

How much do you get from the government for each window cleaner?

[Moderator David@stives]

Willis

It is not the same you are a supplier selling your wares, so its up to you to "sell"  your product and answer any awkward questions.

All I said was Profit, Was there anything wrong with that? Is it not true ?

Cheers

Dave

[matt]

Willis

It is not the same you are a supplier selling your wares, so its up to you to "sell"  your product and answer any awkward questions.

All I said was Profit, Was there anything wrong with that? Is it not true ?

Cheers

Dave

dave i have read your reply and i read it that you expect david willis to answer drwindows idiotic question about how much he gets for each window cleaner

surely you dont expect him to answer it

its like a window cleaner asking you how much you get to clean so-and-so hotel in cornwall, your never going to tell him