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drwindows

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2010, 07:08:03 pm »
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Really what use is that then?

Yes my thought exactly, but he doesnt like it when you ask him about it so tread carefully.

Last time he was on here going on about these courses, and when it became apparent they knew nothing about WFP, (and I mean NOTHING) he got all defensive and asked about MY training and dragged up my first post on here from when I was a newbie, as if that proved something. 

(all it proved was that even though I've only been window cleaning for a couple of years, I still know 100% more about waterfed poles than they do)

He didnt seem to understand that it wasnt ME who was saying I could train window cleaners!

Based on that experience, I will never ever use them, and would avoid them.

mlscontractcleaner

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2010, 07:08:50 pm »
Oh my God, a City and Guilds in Window Cleaning; sorry, level 2; you couldn't make it up!!!

How long does it take to clean bloody windows?

Honestly lads, how did we all manage to learn our jobs before this course was thought up; it's a wonder we ever managed ??? ???

Sorry but I really can't take this seriously; someone please tell me it's a wind up.

Also, with the forseeable future being WFP what use is a course with no WFP to learn about ??? ??? ???
Come and talk dirty to us!!!

Sean Dyer

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2010, 07:25:58 pm »
it isnt anything really about how to clean a window and it does touch alot on all aspects of cleaning , mainly heavy industrial areas where risks and legislation are high - mewps, cradles etc

why does everyone on here jump to bash something that someone is doing free mostly that benefits window cleaners, if you cant see thebenefit to your business, dont do it, its that simple - but dont knock it

I know the guys fairly well and they are both very knowledgable and really helpful


Sean Dyer

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2010, 07:26:44 pm »
Is it a case of helping industry or is it all purely for profit.

I can't see why we can't get these people who want to help the industry to come to Cornwall.

Yes good isnt it, leave out Cornwall because there isnt enough profit in it.

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Profit , profit , profit.



Would you ??

If theres no profit then it not good business is it - they never claimed to be a charity

ftp

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2010, 07:27:18 pm »
Cornwall? Where's that  ???

Sean Dyer

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2010, 07:39:25 pm »

i thought you were all for the fwc

isnt mr willis working on there panel now?

hope your not jealous :)

Blue Frog Systems

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2010, 07:44:56 pm »
What exactly do you learn on this course ? Can someone who has done it before let us know what you do on the course.

It does seem a laugh, but its that something extra that could help secure a commercial customer who is big on training
Only those who risk going too far will truly know how far they can actually go

Window Washers

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2010, 07:48:22 pm »
Is it a case of helping industry or is it all purely for profit.

I can't see why we can't get these people who want to help the industry to come to Cornwall.

Yes good isnt it, leave out Cornwall because there isnt enough profit in it.

.

Profit , profit , profit.


Seems to me that some window cleaners want to earn the money yet are not willing to pay out money for things, not aimed at you directly Dave, just a point, all want it cheap yet when it comes to there own pricing they are high in price. I think they say whats good for the goose is good for the gander...

Dave if you want your guys nvq'd send them on the course and stop being a tight ass. it is your own fault for moving to cornwall  :P

I sent mine and that was in birmingham I live know where near that place
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

SteveAllan

Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2010, 07:50:23 pm »
Thats brilliant cheered me up no end. NVQ in window cleaning lol ;D
I have one in plastering too and thats as much use as a chocolate fire guard, think it stands for Not Very Qualified, next they;ll be banning ladders ;D

ccmids

Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2010, 09:06:06 pm »
money for old rope

jeff1

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 09:12:24 pm »
Is it a case of helping industry or is it all purely for profit.

I can't see why we can't get these people who want to help the industry to come to Cornwall.

Yes good isnt it, leave out Cornwall because there isnt enough profit in it.

.

Profit , profit , profit.

And not forgetting us in Somerset Dave.  ;)
So this end of the country has Hundreds of W/C but we can't get them to come to us?? Hmmm!



Dean Taberner

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2010, 09:16:03 pm »
Ive just dropped onto this thread and would like to give a pro to David and is team,

We went through their course last year and ive found it fantastastic to put on any portfolio,

Dean
Operations manager at J.V Price Ltd

http://www.thepricegroup.co.uk

Window Washers

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2010, 09:18:01 pm »
Ive just dropped onto this thread and would like to give a pro to David and is team,

We went through their course last year and ive found it fantastastic to put on any portfolio,

Dean
;)
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

matt

Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2010, 09:58:08 pm »
Quote
Really what use is that then?

Yes my thought exactly, but he doesnt like it when you ask him about it so tread carefully.

Last time he was on here going on about these courses, and when it became apparent they knew nothing about WFP, (and I mean NOTHING) he got all defensive and asked about MY training and dragged up my first post on here from when I was a newbie, as if that proved something. 

(all it proved was that even though I've only been window cleaning for a couple of years, I still know 100% more about waterfed poles than they do)

He didnt seem to understand that it wasnt ME who was saying I could train window cleaners!

Based on that experience, I will never ever use them, and would avoid them.

despite what your mates at iroincs BWA told you

window cleaning does involve other tools other that what they sell, a squeegee for example



matt

Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2010, 10:00:55 pm »
it isnt anything really about how to clean a window and it does touch alot on all aspects of cleaning , mainly heavy industrial areas where risks and legislation are high - mewps, cradles etc

why does everyone on here jump to bash something that someone is doing free mostly that benefits window cleaners, if you cant see thebenefit to your business, dont do it, its that simple - but dont knock it

I know the guys fairly well and they are both very knowledgable and really helpful



i know i have laughed at it in the past, but you make a good point

l

mci services

Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2010, 10:58:29 pm »
 ??? ::) ;D :'( thats all i can say

matt

Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2010, 11:16:38 pm »
i have deleted my posts on this thread because this was a serious topic by david willis who is just trying to run a biz, sorry david

drwindows

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2010, 11:21:10 pm »
me too. a thread hijack is not what i intended, just to see if matt was actually too scared to name the company implied by his nickname "ironics".  For thos of you who missed it, yes he WAS too scared.

Sean Dyer

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2010, 07:29:49 am »
Ian

these guys want to help industry, we arranged to have them down here, they cancelled , moved the venue further then further again.

I had 6 people from my own company to go on the course.

If they want my business then they will have to come to me..

Sean

Jealous hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm ?  No, If I were I would of put myself forwrds at the recent ballot, beside that I am having far too much fun expanding my empire.

i was only messing pal, i just thought you would of understood of all people why someone with a business would not do something unprofitable

david willis

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Re: City & Guilds NVQ Level 2 - Window Cleaning
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2010, 10:14:12 am »
Hi All

Without getting into some debate, I placed the dates on the forum to raise awareness of the NVQ funding and course, the current Train to Gain funding through the LSC is being re-directed by the Govenment and greatly reduced as we predicted last year. The awareness on the forum is to try and facilitate forum users with funding. This provides forum users a chance of gaining a recognised qualification in their profession.

I have had some positive responses so far and would like to thank those individuals for their interest.

I will answer the debate on Cornwall for you:

Annually we are allocated a learner fund within our partnership with South Thames and Merton College, we have the UK sole contract to provide the NVQ in window cleaning. Last years total learner capacity was reduced from 600 to 300 learners.

Areas like Birmingham, Central London, Leeds, Bristol, Southampton, Manchester, and others was oversubscribed with interest, therfore areas such as Cornwall that we would have liked to facilitate was withdrawn due to insufficient numbers, this has nothiong to do with profit as mentioned by Dave Morris. I would at this point thank and confirm that David has been very proactive and behind the NVQ and we would very much like to provide support to him if we can       

David advised last year he wanted 6 places which if I remember was reduced to 4 and two other companies put names forward but nearer the date pulled out their window cleaners asking if we could change dates. I personally spent alot of time on Cornwall and trying to facilitate for the area as I am sure Dave can remember

Our funding contract for 2010 at present stands at 300 learners and we have already secured and reserved places for 50%, please note our marketing starts next week for this year and will end at Windex in March so we can assure we will have sufficient numbers

Our date for South West is to be held in Plymouth and we would welcome all forum users to be first to secure training spaces before we market the area direct. Plymouth 6th September

We aim to secure additional funding during 2010 and if successful we would look at any requested location as long as there are 10-15 learners willing to commit to taking the course.