[Scrimble]

i'm glad i'm no longer trad 

cold hands lugging ladders about,
risk of breaking your neck,
slow
does a poor job,
earn far less

dazmond you stick to cleaning windows the hard way if thats how you like it 

[AuRavelling79]

You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.

On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.

Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.

In 4 hours, even with low water flow and  rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.

Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.

[macmac]

You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.

On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.

Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.

In 4 hours, even with low water flow and  rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.

Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.

You don't know how to price trad than malc You've cut yourself short by pricing too cheap wfp?

[AuRavelling79]

You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.

On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.

Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.

In 4 hours, even with low water flow and  rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.

Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.

You don't know how to price trad than malc You've cut yourself short by pricing too cheap wfp?

I don't do trad except in extremis macmac - and you can see the difference in the earnings over 4 hrs on similar properties - £75 vs £133. When I was trad in normal non icy conditions I would do about £20/25 ph on these properties - the same stuff wfp in non icy conditions now earns me £40 ph.

No brainer really ... it's like changing from driving steam engines to driving diesels - the tradition isn't there but it's a lot less labour intensive and quicker.

[G Griffin]

£40 ph? I wish 

[Mike #1]

snow every where almost 4 wks now when its warm enough i have been out , wfp only worked 4 days this week so far not a chance been trad starting to catch up nicely

[Sir Squeaky]

You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.

On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.

Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.

In 4 hours, even with low water flow and  rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.

Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.

You don't know how to price trad than malc You've cut yourself short by pricing too cheap wfp?

I don't do trad except in extremis macmac - and you can see the difference in the earnings over 4 hrs on similar properties - £75 vs £133. When I was trad in normal non icy conditions I would do about £20/25 ph on these properties - the same stuff wfp in non icy conditions now earns me £40 ph.

No brainer really ... it's like changing from driving steam engines to driving diesels - the tradition isn't there but it's a lot less labour intensive and quicker.

You must be very quick with wfp.
I'd worry about leaving it done properly if I went too fast. You have to do it properly, you can't get away with a mistake like with trad.

Trad I was doing about £20-23 p/h
Wfp I'm more like £25-30 p/h

[G Griffin]

£25-30 ph? I wish  ....

[gewindows]

I dread to think what trad would bring in now compared to WFP, maybe Ive become too used to earning what is a very very attractive hourly rate by anyones standard.

I am inclined to suggest that Golds hourly rate WFP is perfectly attainable from my own experience and what other polers suggest who are worth listening to.

[G Griffin]

I dread to think what trad would bring in now compared to WFP, maybe Ive become too used to earning what is a very very attractive hourly rate by anyones standard.

I am inclined to suggest that Golds hourly rate WFP is perfectly attainable from my own experience and what other polers suggest who are worth listening to.

   I don`t doubt it. I`m jealous 

[Tim82]

does your hose not freeze on the floor though?

 Mine? No, that's the main reason for the screenwash. Used it today because of all the snow/ice still around even though it was 3 degrees (warm-ish)

[GBWWFC]

ive worked 3 1/2 hours today & not even got my ladders out , managed over a ton.
I wont be doin much trad until this bloody white stuff disappears.
Hopefully same again tomorrow , then atleast got half a week in..

[Tim82]

thats really good thinking about only using wfp in summer wish iwould have thought of that ha ha ha ha ha ha yes i think iwill get my ladders out and risk my neckin winter plus tell all my customers they will get done wfp in summer and monkey style in winter cant wait to see look on there faces ,still only 3 days behind cos of wether and thats down to it being too bad underfoot , nothing to do with any gear freezing if i was still monkey style iwouldhave lost 3 weeks these monkey style guys love knocking wfp while looking out there window all day and not working .me im off to work wfp safely and nothing frozen

Must be grumpy with lack of sleep after working all night and day last 3 weeks (only messin, gary )

[Tim82]

I've had no probs today in the falling snow (-1). I've been using a screenwash mix that'd done the trick and it was fine.

Tim is this the idea from barry80.

1 litre mix in twenty stir well 

Yep. Works great.

[dazmond]

i do think some of you are prone to a little of the" wfp is so much better and faster and i make sooo much more money!"blah blah!ill find out myself one day and i WILL tell you the truth!!

some of you have been moaning your skint etc,etc and all the problems u have with wfp!its the expense and hassle that seems to put me off a bit.i laugh sometimes when i hear of the messing about u lot get up to and constantly ordering stuff etc while im taking it easy drying my scrims/microfibres! ;Doh!and changing my squeegy rubber!

regards

dazmond

[Tim82]

Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix)

Cheer!

[gewindows]

some of you have been moaning your skin

I havent, but I would have if I was trad still 

[jonnyald]

No brainer really ... it's like changing from driving steam engines to driving diesels - the tradition isn't there but it's a lot less labour intensive and quicker.

yup, you got it in one - trads got soul    just like steam

[Frankybadboy]

i do think some of you are prone to a little of the" wfp is so much better and faster and i make sooo much more money!"blah blah!ill find out myself one day and i WILL tell you the truth!!

some of you have been moaning your skint etc,etc and all the problems u have with wfp!its the expense and hassle that seems to put me off a bit.i laugh sometimes when i hear of the messing about u lot get up to and constantly ordering stuff etc while im taking it easy drying my scrims/microfibres! ;Doh!and changing my squeegy rubber!

regards

dazmond

i sometimes do think the same as that.

[birdymiller]

I use both methods, both have got pros and cons. What does my head in though is all these wfp guys slating trad. I have only used ladder since week before christmas due to ice. Wfp is a no no with ice. Trad is do-able just got to be careful and if its dodgy dont do it. Dazmond dont bother with wfp its not worth the hastle.