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neil100

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Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« on: January 08, 2010, 06:14:59 am »
This is my 30th winter w/cleaning and I have to admit its the toughest spell of weather we are working through.
For the last 3 to 4 weeks None of my w/c friends who live where I do which is in Lancaster, North west of England have worked because of the cold weather.
We are still working all be at a reduced rate, First I am not knocking anyone who is sitting at home waiting this cold snap out. But be warned you may have a long wait if the cold snap lasts till the end of March ,will you survive?
For me if its possible to work ,I work, If its to cold for me not to work I wont. At the moment its not cold enough to stop me. FACT. So here are some positive tips on how I am working with the temp below freezing.
My van sides are fully insulated and plylined,it helps to keep the van warmer. The van is parked next to the house with a small van heater set just above the frost setting so the temp inside  the van is kept at a constant 5 degrees C. When I am ready to start work I turn the temp up on the heater to full for 20mins so its a tropical 20 degrees C in the van.
We start work at 11am. 3 hours later then normal, this morning the mercury read -4 degrees C when we set off. I have a window cleaners bucket with lid on which is 3/4 full of very very hot water. This bucket is then covered over completely with insulated  foil bubble wrap. Being silver foil it reflects all radiant heat back to its source so the water will stay hot for 3 to 4 hours. If the brush head freezes at any stage  during the working day or the valve freezes or pole hose they are placed in the hot bucket of water briefly to unfreeze.
All the telescopic pole sections are given a coating of  a special patented ceramic oil. This is thicker then WD40 and lasts far longer. It stops water forming on the pole sections so the pole sections will not freeze up during the day and it helps the pole sections to really glide in use.
Footwear - wear snow boots they are water proof ,warm and they will give you the best grip available on snow and ice. You will be amazed at the grip on ice.
Be selective in the areas you work. I have a days work in a village that’s 2 weeks late as its colder there by 3 degrees then any where else. I know if I go there I will freeze up, so I don’t go. I avoid hills were the van could get stuck and I chose work and position the van if I can with the sun shining into the van as there is a little warmth in the radiant heat of the sun.
The temperature is colder in the shade then the sun so we will clean the tops in the shade then move round to the sunny side clean all the tops then back to the shady side to clean the bottoms. We clean all windows on a reduced flow. All doors cleaned by hand. Any front or back door  steps that water drops onto from window above  which have been cleaned with very little water are wiped down.
I only collect the money when the hoses and poles are back in the van. You want the water to keep flowing when working as its less likely to freeze.
I have a thermometer in the van and I can manage to keep working up until - 2 degrees C. 
We stop work at 3.30pm approximately as the temp is starting to drop and if you stay out beyond this time you will freeze up. Ok its only 4 ½ hours work a day but at least we are ticking over and some money is coming in. Most houses have gas central heating so if its on the windows wont freeze.
If you don’t want to work in it then don’t. But for me I will work till my brushes freeze over.

Keep safe Neil

Londoner

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 07:02:27 am »
I went out to try and trad a few bungalows with a big bucket of HOT water yesterday but couldn't do it. The water was freezing on the window before I could get all the way down with the squeegee.

Every week religiously for quite a long time now I've been putting £20 a week away into a sickness fund so I have that to fall back on but I don't really want to touch it.

Jeff Brimble

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 07:32:53 am »
What an excellent informative post, taken you time to do it this morning-for others, well done.  8)

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 07:34:56 am »
Thanks Neil a very sensible and useful post.

I am in a similar position and have just been doing what I can.
I use a submersible aquarium heater in my tank plugged in overnight. The tank warms thru and then acts like a radiator to keep the van warm too. Along with my oil filled radiator it's ok. But then we have only gone down to minus 4 here.
I feel sorry for people in Scotland. Can't see anything much will help them.

Tosh

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 08:21:27 am »
I agree with the others, good post, Neil, and come Monday even if its still freezing I'm going to be determined to get out and work; but so far I've actually been enjoying the extended guilt-free holiday.

However, there's only so long I can 'mince about' and I guess the only thing that's stopped me working is the state of the side roads because there has been short periods during the day where I reckon I could've worked.

So far I've only been driving when I think its important, and work hasn't been, but come Monday I think I will have to re-prioritise.

david wood

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 08:26:14 am »
i keep trying but its -14 here at the moment in manchester :'(

Pole 2 Pole

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 08:30:48 am »
i keep trying but its -14 here at the moment in manchester :'(
-14?????? some people just use any bloody excuse to skive  ::)  ;D

david wood

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 08:34:34 am »
iam going to unplug my fridge and save on my electric bill

Moderator David@stives

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 08:41:39 am »
A tip for you this morning stay in bad,

 just looked at the van, cant even get the doors open.


Tosh

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 08:43:03 am »
A tip for you this morning stay in bad,

 just looked at the van, cant even get the doors open.



Wor Lass says I have to go to work today; she's had enough of me!  >:(

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 08:44:12 am »
Tosh we all sympaphise with her.... ;D

Moderator David@stives

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 08:47:08 am »
Shes finally joined the club then

John Walker

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 08:54:06 am »
Top post Neil.  :)

Some excellent and encouraging advice which should help to keep some of the guys with an income still coming in.

Cheers
BaxWalker Window Cleaning

Tosh

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 08:54:20 am »
 ;D  I'm trying to wangle out of work, giving excuses about conservatories freezing and stuff, but she knows a couple of jobs that I can do no problems.  >:(

Moderator David@stives

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 09:00:29 am »
Tosh

Don't do it, what if you pranged your car.

It is now weekend, just have an extended one and worry about work on Monday

Helen

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2010, 09:05:44 am »
Neils post is good.......he mentions keep away from hills where you could get stuck..... stops us then, as we got stuck before xmas on a hill (1.5hrs to go 600 yards, with 12 people shovelling tracks)..This hill???? 600 yards from our house :-[

elite mike

Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2010, 09:07:15 am »
Tosh

Don't do it, what if you pranged your car.

It is now weekend, just have an extended one and worry about work on Monday

hi dave

there are a few round here that have pranged ;D

was going out but i have had a rethink ;D

might go and do a bit of collecting tonight on foot though

get some cash flow going ;)

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2010, 09:21:16 am »
Really good post Neil, far better to try to work if you ca than just admit defeat, it's amazing how cold you can work in if you give it a go.

Also good to try to heat the water to warm if you can.

Another tip, empty the pole hoses after every stop.

Still feel sorry for the guys in Scotland that are buried.

Simon.

gary999

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 09:34:07 am »
top post :)

nice to hear a can do person who will do
when necessary if at all possible.

i use a back pack ive got insulation hosing on the backpack
hose and i have my hose on outside of pole so i cut up
strips of the insulation hose and taped it to the fifteen foot
of pole hose that normally trails on the ground it has stopped
it making contact with ground reducing freezing up almost
completely.this has enabled me to keep my flow to an reduced rate
 1 ltr per min so im not splashing water anywhere

trevor perry

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Re: Tips on working wfp in the Freezing Weather
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2010, 09:56:09 am »
great post neal, really appreciate the tip on oil on the pole this has been a major problem for us in that the sections freeze and get stuck,
Thanks
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt