[chopsie]

I have been fitting my van out with tank, protectakote,pump etc and It just has reminded me how much I hate diy,If only i had the money to have it done for me!! There is always something wrong...parts needed,tools needed,tools broken,materials short etc etc,a bloody nightmare,I say to anyone setting up a wfp system,try and get enough money together to get it done properly,I am seriously peed off with it all. 

[Window Washers]

I have been fitting my van out with tank, protectakote,pump etc and It just has reminded me how much I hate diy,If only i had the money to have it done for me!! There is always something wrong...parts needed,tools needed,tools broken,materials short etc etc,a bloody nightmare,I say to anyone setting up a wfp system,try and get enough money together to get it done properly,I am seriously peed off with it all. 

Keep at it m8 your nearly there.

that is why there are places like purefreedom.co.uk about, they dont work out much more expensive to be fair, and making your own tank frame is a pain in the backside trust me I have had 2 custom made for me.

All well and good diy if you have the time and want the headache. DIY to me is more expensive and a head ache i DONT NEED it takes up to much time...

[chopsie]

still adding up mate,got to find a end for my bloody hose reel now as its got a male end and so has my poles!!!!,I will post a few pics when finished and a total price(If it ever gets to a total price!!!)

[Window Washers]

still adding up mate,got to find a end for my bloody hose reel now as its got a male end and so has my poles!!!!,I will post a few pics when finished and a total price(If it ever gets to a total price!!!)

depends on the way you want to go.

I have male ends on my hose reel and female connectors on my poles, so I can wash my hands when I need to other way round you cant.

[chopsie]

Window washers,you are so right,working out how to fit anchor point around the chassis was a nightmare,luckily my mate has a workshop with a pit,otherwise I think I would of spat my dummy out and left it!!!NEVER AGAIN!!!!!

[chopsie]

Thats not a bad idea window washers,I was just going to change end on my reel,but I might just change the ends on my poles so i can wash my hands 

[Window Washers]

Window washers,you are so right,working out how to fit anchor point around the chassis was a nightmare,luckily my mate has a workshop with a pit,otherwise I think I would of spat my dummy out and left it!!!NEVER AGAIN!!!!!

lol. sorry to laugh, just reminds me when I did it, I had frame made for tank then the bolts did not fit etc etc... it took weeks and cost me a loads of time and money doing it.

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

[matt]

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

show me some sums, you cannot say DIY is not cheaper, you have to pay someone to fit it ( we know you like purefreedom ) who pays the labour for them ? ? ?  YOU

[chopsie]

I agree,actual costs may be a bit less,but the lost time is the biggest concern,I have only just set up,but I need to get out and do the cleans,I have not been out canvassing,or managed to do any back log of work,I have prior commitments part of thursday and all Friday,Got kids tomorrow after school so that means i can only work until half 2 so i have enough time to go fetch them,and I wont be able to start first thing because i got the wrong end on my hose  

[matt]

i allways say its 1 weekends work to fit a system in a van

weekends you dont work, thus nothing lost

[Window Washers]

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

show me some sums, you cannot say DIY is not cheaper, you have to pay someone to fit it ( we know you like purefreedom ) who pays the labour for them ? ? ?  YOU

Have to say sory there matt I was editing the piost and it posted,

Was meant to say diy overall is not in anyway cheaper  if you are limited in time.

I did know you would post on here, but the facts from where I sit diy parts cost the same in most places it is the time aspect that cost the most money, and the cock ups that do and will happen when diy'ing a wfp set up. I know this because I have now done a few of these, I guess you have done the same can you honestly say you never had a problem. ?

[[GQC] Tim]

Proper DIY can come quite close to a Purefreedom system. Probably would have gone the purefreedom way if I could do it again.

[matt]

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

show me some sums, you cannot say DIY is not cheaper, you have to pay someone to fit it ( we know you like purefreedom ) who pays the labour for them ? ? ?  YOU

Have to say sory there matt I was editing the piost and it posted,

Was meant to say diy overall is not in anyway cheaper  if you are limited in time.

I did know you would post on here, but the facts from where I sit diy parts cost the same in most places it is the time aspect that cost the most money, and the cock ups that do and will happen when diy'ing a wfp set up. I know this because I have now done a few of these, I guess you have done the same can you honestly say you never had a problem. ?

when installing, you need to look at the bits you have from suppliers, then work out the bits that are needed, then you shouldnt really have much "wastage or stuff purchased that you do not need )

yes its time consuming, but that time spent means you know what it what and when you come to having a issue with something wrong, you will know how it is built and what is what, thus imhp time spent installing is also time spent learning about how your system works and will in-turn mean you will have a headstart when something goes wrong

yes its not for everyone, but you do save money, you do have the satisfaction that you built your system and know the bits it consists of

[macmac]

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

show me some sums, you cannot say DIY is not cheaper, you have to pay someone to fit it ( we know you like purefreedom ) who pays the labour for them ? ? ?  YOU

Have to say sory there matt I was editing the piost and it posted,

Was meant to say diy overall is not in anyway cheaper  if you are limited in time.

I did know you would post on here, but the facts from where I sit diy parts cost the same in most places it is the time aspect that cost the most money, and the cock ups that do and will happen when diy'ing a wfp set up. I know this because I have now done a few of these, I guess you have done the same can you honestly say you never had a problem. ?

when installing, you need to look at the bits you have from suppliers, then work out the bits that are needed, then you shouldnt really have much "wastage or stuff purchased that you do not need )

yes its time consuming, but that time spent means you know what it what and when you come to having a issue with something wrong, you will know how it is built and what is what, thus imhp time spent installing is also time spent learning about how your system works and will in-turn mean you will have a headstart when something goes wrong

yes its not for everyone, but you do save money, you do have the satisfaction that you built your system and know the bits it consists of

I'll second that, & that "build knowlage" is very valuable when things go wrong, so the time taken to diy is then saved when the poop hits the fan on your busyest week!!

[chopsie]

fair points,but its just a tank with some hosepipe coming off it!! I bought the pumpbox (cannot remember where from) so not really much to know about/learn,wired pumpbox to battery,hoses here there and everywhere for tank/pump.I have used an idea that came from this site as an external port,I just got a length of hose with a female hozelock type fitting on each end and put it through a ready made hole just under rear door of van(just removed rubber grommit) This 1 pipe can just be clicked onto my pump box for working ,and then clicked onto my tank for filling,dead easy and dead simple to make/install.The van can be kept shut and locked,the pipe is slightly squashed by the door,but not much.It seems to work just as well.Thanks to whoever posted this idea the other day.

[Window Washers]

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

show me some sums, you cannot say DIY is not cheaper, you have to pay someone to fit it ( we know you like purefreedom ) who pays the labour for them ? ? ?  YOU

Have to say sory there matt I was editing the piost and it posted,

Was meant to say diy overall is not in anyway cheaper  if you are limited in time.

I did know you would post on here, but the facts from where I sit diy parts cost the same in most places it is the time aspect that cost the most money, and the cock ups that do and will happen when diy'ing a wfp set up. I know this because I have now done a few of these, I guess you have done the same can you honestly say you never had a problem. ?

when installing, you need to look at the bits you have from suppliers, then work out the bits that are needed, then you shouldnt really have much "wastage or stuff purchased that you do not need )

yes its time consuming, but that time spent means you know what it what and when you come to having a issue with something wrong, you will know how it is built and what is what, thus imhp time spent installing is also time spent learning about how your system works and will in-turn mean you will have a headstart when something goes wrong

yes its not for everyone, but you do save money, you do have the satisfaction that you built your system and know the bits it consists of

I'll second that, & that "build knowlage" is very valuable when things go wrong, so the time taken to diy is then saved when the poop hits the fan on your busyest week!!

I would not second that, I have a pre made system and 2 diy (with help from welder) made systems

If you cannot work out how to unscrew a bolt or change a hose clip you should not be out in a van, or car in some people case.

I do understand what you and Matt are saying as I thought the same thing but having both I have learnt that diy is not always the cheapest option. can I ask do or have you or matt had a system installed by a company before ?

you drop off van go shopping and come back job done that is satisfiying messing about doing it you self is frustrating and you do not get the same feeling with finished product then you do with a comapny installed one. Not sure why , you just don't.
Maybe it was the hassles I had with tank frame being made, if used straps maybe it would have been different.

Ian

[matt]

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

show me some sums, you cannot say DIY is not cheaper, you have to pay someone to fit it ( we know you like purefreedom ) who pays the labour for them ? ? ?  YOU

Have to say sory there matt I was editing the piost and it posted,

Was meant to say diy overall is not in anyway cheaper  if you are limited in time.

I did know you would post on here, but the facts from where I sit diy parts cost the same in most places it is the time aspect that cost the most money, and the cock ups that do and will happen when diy'ing a wfp set up. I know this because I have now done a few of these, I guess you have done the same can you honestly say you never had a problem. ?

when installing, you need to look at the bits you have from suppliers, then work out the bits that are needed, then you shouldnt really have much "wastage or stuff purchased that you do not need )

yes its time consuming, but that time spent means you know what it what and when you come to having a issue with something wrong, you will know how it is built and what is what, thus imhp time spent installing is also time spent learning about how your system works and will in-turn mean you will have a headstart when something goes wrong

yes its not for everyone, but you do save money, you do have the satisfaction that you built your system and know the bits it consists of

I'll second that, & that "build knowlage" is very valuable when things go wrong, so the time taken to diy is then saved when the poop hits the fan on your busyest week!!

I would not second that, I have a pre made system and 2 diy (with help from a frabricator) made systems

If you cannot work out how to unscrew a bolt or change a hose clip you should not be out in a van, or car in some people case.

you would be surprised on the number of people who have a system installed and know NOTHING about it, just look at some of the posts in here, i often get e.mailed and asked for my number to help people troubleshoot, last month i had a guy ask me if he could phone me up and have a chat about a problem with his system ( from ironics ) i told him to phone them, he didnt want to, because he thought they would try and sell him something else, he said he could trust my advice as i give honest advice without trying to sell things

I do understand what you and Matt are saying as I thought the same thing but having both I have learnt that diy is not always the cheapest option. can I ask do or have you or matt had a system installed by a company before ?

you drop off van go shopping and come back job done that is satisfiying messing about doing it you self is frustrating and you do not get the same feeling with finished product then you do with a comapny installed one. Not sure why , you just don't.
Maybe it was the hassles I had with tank frame being made, if used straps maybe it would have been different.

Ian

no i have not had a company install a system, as i can do it myself, why would iu want to pay dave the installer / technician 125 quid a day when i can do it

the thing is, i get satisfaction from making things, from building things, from designing things to be how i want them

[Mist A Bit]

im going to start my diy wfp system after christmas with parts from pure freedom and gardiners

[Window Washers]

Diy is not anyway cheaper I know this for a fact..

show me some sums, you cannot say DIY is not cheaper, you have to pay someone to fit it ( we know you like purefreedom ) who pays the labour for them ? ? ?  YOU

Have to say sory there matt I was editing the piost and it posted,

Was meant to say diy overall is not in anyway cheaper  if you are limited in time.

I did know you would post on here, but the facts from where I sit diy parts cost the same in most places it is the time aspect that cost the most money, and the cock ups that do and will happen when diy'ing a wfp set up. I know this because I have now done a few of these, I guess you have done the same can you honestly say you never had a problem. ?

when installing, you need to look at the bits you have from suppliers, then work out the bits that are needed, then you shouldnt really have much "wastage or stuff purchased that you do not need )

yes its time consuming, but that time spent means you know what it what and when you come to having a issue with something wrong, you will know how it is built and what is what, thus imhp time spent installing is also time spent learning about how your system works and will in-turn mean you will have a headstart when something goes wrong

yes its not for everyone, but you do save money, you do have the satisfaction that you built your system and know the bits it consists of

I'll second that, & that "build knowlage" is very valuable when things go wrong, so the time taken to diy is then saved when the poop hits the fan on your busyest week!!

I would not second that, I have a pre made system and 2 diy (with help from a frabricator) made systems

If you cannot work out how to unscrew a bolt or change a hose clip you should not be out in a van, or car in some people case.

you would be surprised on the number of people who have a system installed and know NOTHING about it, just look at some of the posts in here, i often get e.mailed and asked for my number to help people troubleshoot, last month i had a guy ask me if he could phone me up and have a chat about a problem with his system ( from ironics ) i told him to phone them, he didnt want to, because he thought they would try and sell him something else, he said he could trust my advice as i give honest advice without trying to sell things

I do understand what you and Matt are saying as I thought the same thing but having both I have learnt that diy is not always the cheapest option. can I ask do or have you or matt had a system installed by a company before ?

you drop off van go shopping and come back job done that is satisfiying messing about doing it you self is frustrating and you do not get the same feeling with finished product then you do with a comapny installed one. Not sure why , you just don't.
Maybe it was the hassles I had with tank frame being made, if used straps maybe it would have been different.

Ian

no i have not had a company install a system, as i can do it myself, why would iu want to pay dave the installer / technician 125 quid a day when i can do it

the thing is, i get satisfaction from making things, from building things, from designing things to be how i want them

Because sometimes it is quicker Matt and less hassle, I know you like diy or you woul;d not own a diy forum  I am aloud to say that on here aint I    you can type in diy matt wfp in google (the holy grail to find site, did you knwo that Matt ?

[macmac]

Let's put it this way, my system consists of

400ltr tank
pump box
2 DI vessels
Few sections of connecting hose
Hose reel.

It took 2 hours to install nearly 6 years ago & apart from when the first pump packed in has NEVER let me down.
Another thing- when I put my system together NO supplier I contacted had even thought of the twin DI system!!!! I created this idea for myself with "knowlage". Add the price of above items up, it doesn't come to much does it? + 2 hours of my time.

No brainer for me.