[dazmond]

this has got nothing to do with window cleaning!just post it on the non cleaning section!why on here for gods sake!! :

[dave.e]

They done the meal thing. Sure. But did they go on to have a good session afterwards? Not sure that's true. Bottom line is...........as sad as this seems. They aint to blame..........the pond life who felt they had the god given right to steal someone else's child, ultimately are the ones to blame in all this.

i agree but we all know there are car thieves about so you would not pop round the shop and leave your car open and engine running  so why take the chance with your own kids.

[martinsadie]

They done the meal thing. Sure. But did they go on to have a good session afterwards? Not sure that's true. Bottom line is...........as sad as this seems. They aint to blame..........the pond life who felt they had the god given right to steal someone else's child, ultimately are the ones to blame in all this.

the only reason they didnt go on for a session this time is that they found out she was missing

[G Griffin]

This thread is not about apportioning blame.

[windowcleaninginessex.co.uk]

I think in a way we all blame the parents, but they have lost something so precious to them ,they are regretting leaving her and would do anything to get her back.
We all make mistakes not this big, but we do all make mistakes.
I think we should just have a little hope Madeline is being cared for and not being abused, where ever she is.
Darren

[Pole 2 Pole]

this has got nothing to do with window cleaning!just post it on the non cleaning section!why on here for gods sake!! :

Where nobody would read it? ? ? ?  :

[vacman]

This thread is not about apportioning blame.

No, it's about remebering Madeline. And, and I know this is harsh, but we ain't exactly gonna forget it in a hurry are we, not after all the publicity it attracted.

The Soham girls, Jamie Bulger, Baby P, the list goes on - all of it tragic and unbeleivable (not to mention unforgivable), but no amount of 'thinking about it' is going to make one iota of difference. Time was i would burden myself down thinking about tragedies which i could never change. Now i'm old i realise that thinking about something that's over and done with serves little purpose.

[peter holley]

all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for  meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....

remember, one day that could be you :

[davids3511]

Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.

You are making it seem like they made a silly error of judgement. The fact is they left their children in on their own for hours. I remember this at the time, some news caster commented 'we have all done it'. No we bloody haven't and neither has most of that 9,999,999 you mention above. Yes we all lose sight of them for a few seconds or minutes, not many p of out for a meal leaving a 4yr old and 2 x 2yr olds on their own.

The best they could have hoped for is that they were all awake and hysterical when they got back, the worst ... well we all know that. The child is even reported to have said something along the lines of 'why didn't you come when I cried last night?' so it wasn't an isolated incidence. They had done the same thing the night before and god knows how many other nights.

Whatever the parents are going through is more than likely nothing compared to what that child went through/is going through.

[davids3511]

all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do you not think they say the same thing to themselves everyday, your comment is pointless. Just imagine if you made a silly mistake and someone took your kid, have a heart :

A silly mistake is forgetting where your keys are/cleaning the wrong house/forgetting your pin number. Leaving your 3 children on their own while you go out for a meal with your mates is more than silly.

[davids3511]

all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for  meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....

remember, one day that could be you :

What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. :

[peter holley]

all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for  meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....

remember, one day that could be you :

What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. :

really?  lets hope your right...afterall...you are an imperfect human being..... :

[G Griffin]

This thread is not about apportioning blame.
  Read the first post and either do as it asks or don`t. It`s up to you.
  Also, feel free to start a new thread about who was to blame but it doesn`t really help on this one.

[ryanst1982]

This thread is not about apportioning blame.
 Read the first post and either do as it asks or don`t. It`s up to you.
 Also, feel free to start a new thread about who was to blame but it doesn`t really help on this one.

AGREED

[dave.e]

Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.

You are making it seem like they made a silly error of judgement. The fact is they left their children in on their own for hours. I remember this at the time, some news caster commented 'we have all done it'. No we bloody haven't and neither has most of that 9,999,999 you mention above. Yes we all lose sight of them for a few seconds or minutes, not many p of out for a meal leaving a 4yr old and 2 x 2yr olds on their own.

The best they could have hoped for is that they were all awake and hysterical when they got back, the worst ... well we all know that. The child is even reported to have said something along the lines of 'why didn't you come when I cried last night?' so it wasn't an isolated incidence. They had done the same thing the night before and god knows how many other nights.

Whatever the parents are going through is more than likely nothing compared to what that child went through/is going through.

spot on 100 %

[G Griffin]

This thread is not about apportioning blame.
  Read the first post and either do as it asks or don`t. It`s up to you.
  Also, feel free to start a new thread about who was to blame but it doesn`t really help on this one.

   :

[Window Washers]

Hi all
It's been a long time since my last posting but I still log on and read the posts from time to time .
any way the reason for this posting is as the title sugests.
please take the time to check out the link and then past it to an e-mail and send to every one in your contacts list.
and post it on any other forums you may be on.. Thank you

Please take a minute of your time for Madeleine McCann and help spread this special message around the world.

A new film has been released by the UK’s police organisation for child protection - the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre - aimed at anyone close to the person who was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. That person could be a relative, friend, work colleague or neighbour. Whoever they are, they have a secret that could reveal what happened to Madeleine.

In order to reach that person, CEOP are asking for the public’s help to share this message virally, via the internet, so that the message is so widespread it becomes one click away to the person who knows something about Madeleine’s disappearance.  The message is then a constant reminder that it is never too late to do the right thing, to stop keeping this secret  and pass this vital information to their local police.

You can view the full message which is part of a 60 second film at http://www.ceop.police.uk/
If you are online and part of an online community, you can help.  Post the link on your social networking site, email your friends and colleagues and  encourage them to share the film, blog and Tweet about the film and link to the website above.  Do anything you can to spread this message around the world. 

The message is available at http://www.ceop.police.uk/ and is in seven different languages – English, Arabic, French, German, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish. 

This initiative is supported by Leicestershire Police, Interpol, Europol and international police agencies as well as specialist charities and NGO’s such as the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), Missing Children Europe and the UK charity Parents and Abducted Children Together (PACT).

So, please help.  Take a minute for Madeleine and help share this message around the world.


Thank you

Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre

 
 
 
 

[davids3511]

all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for  meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....

remember, one day that could be you :

What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. :

really?  lets hope your right...afterall...you are an imperfect human being..... :

Never suggested I was perfect. I merely stated I would NEVER be so selfish and irresponsible where my child is concerned. No need for hoping, it is a nailed on certainty and you can roll your eyes right out of your head and that still won't make you right.

[peter holley]

all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for  meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....

remember, one day that could be you :

What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. :

really?  lets hope your right...afterall...you are an imperfect human being..... :

Never suggested I was perfect. I merely stated I would NEVER be so selfish and irresponsible where my child is concerned. No need for hoping, it is a nailed on certainty and you can roll your eyes right out of your head and that still won't make you right.

right...really? : : : : : :   ok

[davids3511]

Why is it so hard to believe I wouldn't take such stupid chances with my child. You are replying as though I am some deluded fool and you are so much more intelligent and wordly wise. Maybe some people are simply responsible adults who put their childrenn first.