[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

Nick,  thanks for the comments and in the interest of sensible debate I am putting a link to the allergstop guide.

I have also placed two further links concerning Carica Papaya.
 http://www.allergstop.guide2care.com

 http://www.tropilab.com/carica-pap.html

 http://www.botgard.ucla.edu/html/botanytextbooks/economicbotany/Carica/
In one it says people have used the enzyme derived fron it to tenderise tough meats for many years.This enzyme is called pappain and is very similar to pepsin produced in the human stomach.

It also says it is very similar to bromelin found in pineapple.

I wonder if eating pineapple or papaya would help to combat allergens.

I'm coming into hayfever season so I think rather than taking anti histamine, I'll eat pineapple and papaya and see if it helps.Should be an interesting experiment.

Cheers,

Doug

Found another interesting link , where it actually mentions papaya leaves being smoked to relieve asthma!

http://www.geocities.com/nutriflip/Supplements/papain.html
My link doesn't seem to work , search papain on Google

[craig b]

allergy stop network members
 does  the product have an  endorsement from the british allergy foundation
and if it doesnt will it in the future?

[Comfort Sector]

Craig b
In reply to your post
   
(allergy stop network members
does  the product have an  endorsement from the british allergy foundation
and if it doesnt will it in the future?)

In reply to the first part of your post.
At present AllergSTOP does not have an endorsement from The British Allergy Foundation

In reply to the second part
All associations like The British Allergy Foundation only give endorsements to products when they have been extensively tested  by their own specialists. These tests take a long time to complete and rightly so. The creditability of organisations like these depend on tests that have conducted to be totally objective in all aspects.

On a commercial level no organisation will divulge what organisations if any are conducting endorsement evaluation of their products.

AllergStop is in the process of being evaluated by some of the major foundations. That is the only reply that I can give to you at the moment.

Hope this answers your question if not you could contact Nick in person.

[Dave_Lee]

Apart from purchasing AllerStop, what are the other criteria, in becoming a licensed user.
Dave.

[eco freindly. peoples champion ron .sherlock]

perhaps it would be easier and more to the point comfortsector to say that  no organisation will divulge what organisations are conducting tests for endorsement evaluation because it only uses the positive endorsement and does not disclose the others. lets not forget to get an endorsement for anything is easy . ive done it for a slimming product. you pay your money to any number of oranisations. doctors, scientists etc and believe me there are 10 ns of thousends out there. you will get results you want.those yoy dont pay for are the hard ones to find.as the saying goes .what you read dont always believe, it also amazes me that your knowledge of the product seems to me to be almost a policy statement on behalf of the company. when others have stopped  on this forum a new leader has arrived,. 

[nick.solution]

Hi guys

Ron,We are in discussion with the  British Allergy Foundation who charge around £10K for the test we are also in discussions with two major university professors who work in aerobiology they use a system called ELISA which uses cultures of mites and protein, which are measured before and after treatment, I will keep you informed of their findings.
The product has already been extensively tested in Germany
and the results are documented, I have decided to undertake additional tests in the UK as the BAF cannot use the German test without additional cost in having everything translated, at leaast that is why they say they must test temselves.
Doug the active ellements in the papaya may help a little however the extracts need to be processed to give the best results, papain and auxillase will help to stimulate the bodies immune system, we have actually develpoed another product specifically for hay fever, which is applied as a paste under the nose, I understand this may be coming to the Uk soon but may have to be sold through chemists, I will let you know further as things develope.

Graig I have sent you a PM.

Best regards NIck

[eco freindly. peoples champion ron .sherlock]

nick. for the first time a direct question has been answered that is worth so much more than these posed question and answers that have been promoted on this topic, the man himself has fired back with an answer that sattisfys the question without any hype. well done and i am not a knocker i am however dubious of the way it is being spoken about in such a theatrical way on this forum. and am pleased to see this response

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Sherlock like you I am not a user of these products but I do think the network members have got a good product that has given them a shot in the arm (or up the RS) to give them a lift up in the sales and pricing of thier businesses.

My question is - Why now have network members suddenly find that they can sell a product at a vastly superior prices and where are you finding your unique buyers from?

I know you have to cover your extra cost of chemical, but this could have been said when you first moved onto using Solutions products instead of the cheaper detergents that you can buy from prochem and the like,  I bet you didn't put your prices up then or feel that you have to go out a sell like you seem to be doing now.

I appreciate it is a unique product but if you were using an alternative way of cleaning say using Promite (I know it's not the same) what is so different to what you would say in the home, Promite will still relieve some if not all of the symptoms of Astma.

I guess what I am saying is - over the years some products have been close or halfway to doing what AllergStop is doing now and if you really wanted to go the allergy treatment way why didn't you use these products before?

What is making you go into this small uneducated market and where do you find the customers when they are just looking for a carpet clean.

Shaun
 

[Comfort Sector]

Shaun
In Reply to your post
(Sherlock like you I am not a user of these products but I do think the network members have got a good product that has given them a shot in the arm (or up the RS) to give them a lift up in the sales and pricing of thier businesses.)

Indoor Air Quality
That it in a nutshell

The vastly superior prices you suggest
The last part of you post answered your own question some other products have been close or halfway to do what allergStop is doing now.

And it is not over priced for the quality of service that it provides
 
This is a unique product range which provides for Superior Indoor Air Quality. at all levels carpets ,soft furnishings,mattress,hard surfaces,and air.That answers the unique buyers question.

Every one wants a Clean and Healthy Environment.
That means your existing customers!!!!

This product range is targeting people who like to live in an environment with good Indoor Air  Quality.

[therapist]

Interesting point Shaun and I think the word to describe the new approach , is, MOTIVATION.

We all experience it, at times, but the difficulty, is maintaining the NEW ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM
 
If other manufacturers or suppliers were as enthusiastic and knowledgable as Nick and made use of this type of talking shop they would all benefit, because only a percentage of people will use any particular product, due to , personal preference/ convenience / budget / whatever.


It's all good for the trade / profession / business
and the debate will stimulate interest in a wider marketplace.

Mike Boxall should be given enormous credit for allowing this open debate on his site and I'm astonished that he doesn't make more use of it to promote his own range of products.

Best wishes

r m

[Comfort Sector]

Therapist

Re your last post


Well said sir

thats what this forum should be about.

[Neil Mc Anulty]

I know you have to cover your extra cost of chemical, but this could have been said when you first moved onto using Solutions products instead of the cheaper detergents that you can buy from prochem and the like,  I bet you didn't put your prices up then or feel that you have to go out a sell like you seem to be doing now.

I find I get superior results with Microsplitters at a cheaper price than prochem products.

With the added benefit of no premature resoiling which is a big issue and putting a lot of people off getting carpets cleaned when they have had their carpets done by the people I label " Old skool"

Why?
They have been around longer than I have. No interest in training and improving their service and either they are keeping customers who do not notice and are pleased with the initial results (optical brighteners etc) or putting people off hiring Carpet cleaners for life.

Quote
" When you get your carpets cleaned theyre f****d, never be the same again"
A conversation with builders on Tuesday. I then told him my techniques and the benefits of my cleaning agents.

[nick.solution]

Hi Guys

The right motivation probably does play a part in this, if you have a product you can believe in it is easier to sell, I do however feel that most customers are becoming more aware of other cleaning related issues in the home and work place, having a unique product opens more doors

Best regards Nick

[stevegunn]

Why don't the non believers contact Nick and purchase the product at full price eg,1ltr of carpet & upholstery cleaner,500ml of room spray & 500ml mattress spray just to try at a cost of less than £60.Then you can make your own minds up instead of presuming the product is like all other allergy control products.You will at least double your £60 investment

[dave401uk]

i find it so worrying that "people" are knocking a product, that they haven't  tried, i have never been negative to a product, chemical i haven't  tried, open mind is the way forward in any field, if this wasn't the case, then none of you would be using M/S, would you?

To this end, i am going on Nicks next course, with an open mind,but, that having been said,imo there are some very proff c/c using this product, they have all got reputation,s to protect, i for one don't think they would be singing so loud, if it "didn't do what it said on the box"

I look forward to meeting other open thinking professional c/c at the end of the month, when i will become "one of the converted"

Dave

[John_Flynn]

Once again it boils down to the Fast Trak Syndrome!!

People who knock it are NOT willing to try it   : : :!!!

[eco freindly. peoples champion ron .sherlock]

dave you said i cant read or write. perhaps you should get the dictionary out and look through the last post you left. not exactly queens english, is it. and again your constant sniping is tedious i have no wish to rappore with such a bore .

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Who's knocking the product?

Honest question.

Shaun

[therapist]

Agree with Shaun

OLD SKOOL

Don't judge a book by it's cover   nr-neil, the old school you refer to have been using m /s for 6-7 years and when I started in this business 20 plus years ago, the same comments were being made then

It's more likely to younger, inexperienced, untrained people who continue to use cheap, soapy products

The older statesmen among us may have considerably more training than you.

Don't assume and don't think that training on it's own makes you an expert....just gives you information....it's what you do with it that matters

I've been on many courses over the past 20 years including IICRC with Paul Pearce

A better answer to the re-soiling issue, might be to reassure the prospect, by letting them know the reasons for -soiling rather than behaving like an inexperienced juvenile, but then...................

r m

[Neil Mc Anulty]

Therapist

The Old Skool I made reference to do not use Microsplitters.
"It's more likely to younger, inexperienced, untrained people who continue to use cheap, soapy products"

Not over here, Its the new guy that is trying to educate The "old Skool" But they aint buying

It's more likely to younger, inexperienced, untrained people who continue to use cheap, soapy products

The older statesmen among us may have considerably more training than you.
Ridiculous to say the least.

Never did I say training makes you an expert
And I hope you were not referring to me with your last words.
"The prospect, by letting them know the reasons for -soiling rather than behaving like an inexperienced juvenile, but then"

Who are you to call me an inexperienced juvenile I may be young but like I said  I have been trying to educate the "Old Skool"To no avail.
These people are ruining this industry