[derek west]

Ok , can I start?


I offer........  training to anyone more than 50 miles from  Dorset/south Hants  mentoring in , Low moisture cleaning, using pad/buffer, fire and flood restoration, database marketing, general cc business tips 17 years experience.

I seek........ Training in the use of a HM 421 truckmount.

shame about the distance, i'd of gone for that.
derek

[jasonl]

Ok , can I start?


I offer........  training to anyone more than 50 miles from  Dorset/south Hants  mentoring in , Low moisture cleaning, using pad/buffer, fire and flood restoration, database marketing, general cc business tips 17 years experience.

I seek........ Training in the use of a HM 421 truckmount.

shame about the distance, i'd of gone for that.
derek

3.5 Hours from Manc, 29 quid for travelodge up the road,  easy done.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

Simon, I belive mentoring is best sorted out by individual members on a casual basis, setting up a scheme raises various legal issues.

Personally I am extremely busy with CC, Websites, and putting together a structured training programme and wouldn't have the time to dedicate to a mentoring project.

Cheers

Doug

[Matt Lindus]

Does anyone want to know how to fit aerials, cctv's and alarms?

Matt

[derek west]

no thanks, seen watchdog yesterday, taught me every thing

bet that make sya blood boil donit?

derek

[robert meldrum]

Derek

Don't think you've read Matt's previous posts or you'd be on your way to his door !

[Simon Gerrard]

Doug,

That is what I am talking about. Just a list of people willing to mentor newbies and then the newbies make contact. It can't get any more casual than that?

Simon

[Rob_Mac]

I advertise carpet cleaning and have it on a leaflet.. I do nothing to actively market it and cleaned the occassional carpet when I had a big residential window cleaning business. I have limited experience in the different carpet types and to be honest I managed to get by, more by luck than anything else. If I get any work these days I give them Chris Rushtons number

I have three carpet cleaning machines, a CFR 1000 and a CFR 500 and a Ninja. I would like to get the opportunity to learn from an experienced carpet cleaner and to understand this market sector.

What do I have to offer - I am experienced in multiple services, from drain jetting, chewing gum removal, pressure washing, wfp window cleaning, roof cleaning and whole project cleaning (externally) on supermarkets.

I know what I am talking about and have run at this level for three years. I see this as a positive move and an excellent suggestion. I am aware of Simons experience and his client base and I would have thought that others have other high profile clients.

What is not being capitalised on is networking and utilising other peoples client bases.

Using my business as an example. You could offer my services to your clients and take a percentage off the top, for no work. Vica versa I offer your services and you do the work.

You have to be confident in end product and have a good working relationship but this works.

All of my current works are through two painting & decorating firms. I get plenty of well paid work, they make a percentage off the top. Everyone is happy. You can effectively run a much bigger service , if you link up with the right partner.

Food for thought.

Rob

[Simon Gerrard]

Doug,

I'm a bit surprised you don't seem to want to support a mentoring scheme. I know you're an intelligent guy so will easy see that this is nothing more than people doing a favour for a colleague. There are no legal issues about doing favours for people. Or is it the case that you don't want to see a mentoring scheme because you're setting up a training scheme and would rather charge people for something they could otherwise get for free?

Also, don't you think training is best left to the professionals?

Simon

[Shaun_Ashmore]

another forum did a mentoring scheme about 4-5 years ago I was one of the mentors for South Yorkshire and it never took off I even think it had insurance backing.

Shaun

[Peter Sweeney]

Grow up Simon.

Doug,

I'm a bit surprised you don't seem to want to support a mentoring scheme. I know you're an intelligent guy so will easy see that this is nothing more than people doing a favour for a colleague. There are no legal issues about doing favours for people. Or is it the case that you don't want to see a mentoring scheme because you're setting up a training scheme and would rather charge people for something they could otherwise get for free?

Also, don't you think training is best left to the professionals?

Simon

[Simon Gerrard]

Peter,

This part of the sentence applies particularly  to you, 'would rather charge people for something they could otherwise get for free?' Don't you believe in doing things from the goodness of your heart, or does everything in you myopic little world have to turn a profit for Pete Sweeney Plc?

Simon

[Peter Sweeney]

 

Simon, you just get more priceless by the minute.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

I have had lots of CC's ask me to put together a more structured course on stain removal and I am in the process of doing to do this.

If anyone doesn't want to attend , this is of course their perogative.

I prefer to use my energies positively.

Cheers

Doug

[Glynn]

Doug,
What actually qualifies you to form a structured training course ?.

[Simon Gerrard]

Peter,

You are supposed to be the Communication Director for CLEAN Association, I assume that means you are the 'front man.' Well I have to say you are doing a pretty p poor job of it, Sonny Jim.
Only the other day on Truckmounters your response to questioning from people that weren't in favour of your new association was to delete your membership, how childish is that? How can you possibly communicate with the people on Truckmounters, some of them the very top people in the business, people you will need on your side if your project is ever to succeed, but Mr Communications Director in no longer a member.

If your new association is so full of virtue then it will withstand any degree of questioning, negative or otherwise, but you seem to be running scared all the time and just get hostile and throw your dummy out of the pram like some spoilt kid.

I would really love to be in support of your project, but the more people I speak to about it just reinforces my initial instinct when I heard that you were involved, that all it is just a money making scheme. Indeed, whenever I have put that very question to people, 'Is this just a money making scheme?' The answer is just one word, 'Yes.'

Simon

[paul moss]

 I think a new modern type association is needed very much.

What ever developes will not be to all men for all men.

NCCA does not cover in any advanced stages, Rug cleaning/repairs, leather restoration,fire & flood, marketing and anything really to an advanced level.
 Yet it has some excellent directors capable of that.

A big part of this industry is networking and forums which the NCCA dont do..

 I believe a closed forum is required for the more advanced cleaners, and a more modern association is needed for all to develope.

 But this needs to be developed and run by creative and experienced forward thinking cleaners.

[Simon Gerrard]

Paul,
I couldn't agree with you more. The trouble is that this new CLEAN Association is being developed behind closed doors, in secret, with no consultation whatsoever with the carpet cleaning industry. It's as if those setting it up think they know better than us what WE want from any new association. So what we will get in the end is something served up from 'on high' just like the NCCA, how forward thinking is that?
I think it would have been far better to have done a lot of research into what people actually want from a new association and then form a team of people with the proper experience and skills to make it happen, instead of just cobbling something together because it will make you the most money, which allegedly is really what this new edifice is all about.

Simon

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

6 years as an Industrial chemist, 2 as Technical Manager and 2 as Quality Control manager, where I ran courses to train shop floor workers in technical subjects.

Over 25 years CC experience, more if you include part time while still at school.

I introduced BS 5750, the forerunner to ISO 9001, which involved a great deal of structure.

I have also developed urine neutralisers, enzyme products and a few other chemical compounds.

When I say Industrial Chemist this is to distinguish between chemist and pharmacist, in the country if you say to people you are a chemist, many think you develop/dispense drugs.

Cheers

Doug

[Peter Sweeney]

Hello

My name is Denise. Peter is my husband. He has gone to the shop and I feel I must defend him. I laugh at our discussions over these forum things and am not usually interested but the abuse he has recieved over all of this is quite upsetting. I can't believe some of what I have read.

Peter has spent hours on the phone to many of you helping you with ideas on getting your business working better, I should know.

He is an honourable man and does what he does for self fulfillment. I feel sad that he has had little protection from these attacks and whilst he says it does'nt bother him I know it does so those whom he has helped for no reward please stand up and say it as it is.

I know he will be upset that I have done this as he is a proud person and likes to look after himself but as his wife I can't just not comment. Surely the likes of Dave, Paul, Shaun, Doug and more I'm sure will vouch for his motives as I know he thinks very highley of you all.

Sorry but I just could'nt let him take all this on his own.

Denise