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Sapphire Window Cleaning

  • Posts: 2942
Re: Value?
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2009, 10:36:57 pm »
Matt I wouldn't use a cheap fishing pole as fishing poles are like WFPs the cheap ones are flimsy and only made from fibre glass which is thin.

you say the pole is flimsy and thin, yet mine has lasted 2 years now, not bad going

why use something that is not designed for that purpose.

because we can, they are really light and work well

We see threads on here calling cowboys and how people dress for work and their methods of cleaning.

yes and they are rubbish, tonight we have seen a post about a 200 GPD being for fish keeping and not suitable for WFP, doesnt mean its right

One thing that I would of thought would lose custom is looking and acting unprofessional.

do your customers care what pole you use ? ? ? ? as mine are only interested in clean windows, next we will have the discussion "you need a van, otherwise people will think you are a cowboy

We are all businessmen aren't we?

i have a business, yes

You have to invest in your business for it to make money.

the cost isnt a issue, show me a pole thats as light as the RT fishing pole , i have used the SLX and its not as light

A few moan about how much this costs and how much that costs. Just be glad your not a builder with all the tools they have.

i have thousands of pounds worth of carpenter / building gear in my garage and loft space, my cordless drill cost me 450 quid, i have a router with a selection of bits that cost more than that, it didnt mean i did a better job that the guy who had a cheap B&D drill and a 40 quid router


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just because people buy the expensive gear, doesnt make them better businessman, doesnt make the windows cleaner

think outside the box on the odd occasion  ;)








I wasn't having a go at anyone Matt, just stating my opinions.
I understand where your coming from though, I have beaten numerous anglers in matches who have thousand pounds worth of poles etc.
I just think image is a big thing in business. reputation is another.



Matt
Reaching parts traditional window cleaners can not reach.

matt

Re: Value?
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2009, 10:47:10 pm »
Matt I wouldn't use a cheap fishing pole as fishing poles are like WFPs the cheap ones are flimsy and only made from fibre glass which is thin.

you say the pole is flimsy and thin, yet mine has lasted 2 years now, not bad going

why use something that is not designed for that purpose.

because we can, they are really light and work well

We see threads on here calling cowboys and how people dress for work and their methods of cleaning.

yes and they are rubbish, tonight we have seen a post about a 200 GPD being for fish keeping and not suitable for WFP, doesnt mean its right

One thing that I would of thought would lose custom is looking and acting unprofessional.

do your customers care what pole you use ? ? ? ? as mine are only interested in clean windows, next we will have the discussion "you need a van, otherwise people will think you are a cowboy

We are all businessmen aren't we?

i have a business, yes

You have to invest in your business for it to make money.

the cost isnt a issue, show me a pole thats as light as the RT fishing pole , i have used the SLX and its not as light

A few moan about how much this costs and how much that costs. Just be glad your not a builder with all the tools they have.

i have thousands of pounds worth of carpenter / building gear in my garage and loft space, my cordless drill cost me 450 quid, i have a router with a selection of bits that cost more than that, it didnt mean i did a better job that the guy who had a cheap B&D drill and a 40 quid router


replies in red

just because people buy the expensive gear, doesnt make them better businessman, doesnt make the windows cleaner

think outside the box on the odd occasion  ;)








I wasn't having a go at anyone Matt, just stating my opinions.
I understand where your coming from though, I have beaten numerous anglers in matches who have thousand pounds worth of poles etc.
I just think image is a big thing in business. reputation is another.



Matt

your post was putting down the fishing pole and its users, you mentioned " unprofessional " which i do not agree with


AuRavelling79

  • Posts: 26588
Re: Value?
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2009, 10:24:53 am »
When I started wfp I bought a trolley from Peter Fogwill and it came with an Unger aluminium telescopic pole with sections to take it to about 40FT. It was incredibly heavy and I used the first three sections (which were quite light but long) for most of my work. The twistloc clamps hurt my hands after prolonged use and after about a year a fellow window cleaner/franchiser recommended a modular carbon fibre pole which on reflection was probably a "fishing pole" with reinforced ends. It cost me £300 and allowed me to go to 35ft. I used a golf bag with legs to carry it around.

I think I paid well over the odds and learned a lesson - but as I don't know what it was I don't really know. But ... it was incredibly light and my hand pain went away. I was faster than with my unger telescopic and for the next two years I cut it and glued it when it broke, scavenged pole sections when offered them by a "fishing" custy and it was quicker than the Unger.

But although the joints never broke, the mid sections sometimes did and it became obvious that I needed to replace it after about two years.

I had tried one of those cheap g/f orange tele's which seemed to stick and scuff and get bits in my hand but which was light up to about 15ft. It fell apart and I discarded it.

The SLX has done it for me - I found it heavy compared with my fishing pole and so simply took away the two biggest (and heaviest) sections for most of my work (although they can easily be slipped on as can the extra g/f modular piece) and at 20ft it feels no heavier than my carbon fishing pole for the same length. (I know it must be as it has thicker sections plus clamps, but as the fishing pole has been discarded I can't quantify it.) Perhaps Alex's brush weight compensates over my previous vikan?

Where the SLX scores for me over a modular is this:-

No breakages. Easy clamps - especially the very latest; incredibly light clamps needing the tiniest of bite. When in a tight space doing an upstairs window (Say on the side of a semi in a narrow passage next to a bush or a fence) the modular couldn't be adjusted for length and would bang against obstacles.

No carry bag needed, no need to sometimes juggle poles, hose and carrybag over awkward sections.

No sticking together and (once asking custy to help me free it!) finding it almost impossible to unlock.

However the fishing pole is perfectly usable but I honestly beleive that I earn an extra £25, all other things being equal in a day due to less faffing, less tired (not weight but extra walking to get bits together) and general confidence to close windows and work fast and hard in the knowledge that it isn't going to snap.

I do however still use the top section and brush of the fishing pole (3ft as per matts) on one long run of downstairs commercial as that is incredibly light. (On a house it isn't worth changing over poles for downstairs IMO)

And... if I were to go to a two reel set up with my wife or daughter helping then I would see occasions where I would say go and clean the front door with the fishing pole top end while I do the tops and then you do the bottoms behind me while I reel in and start on the next house.
It's a game of three halves!

drwindows

  • Posts: 258
Re: Value?
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2009, 11:54:15 am »
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i just carry the brush section and pull along my cart and then in the other hand the other 2 sections

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Like this?





I haven't seen one in years!

matt

Re: Value?
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2009, 03:36:00 pm »
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i just carry the brush section and pull along my cart and then in the other hand the other 2 sections

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I haven't seen one in years!

 ::) ::)  aye just like that

no its a sack truck with pump box and barrel on

but i guess it'll be the same in some peoples eyes