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Eddie Conroy

  • Posts: 108
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2005, 07:43:45 pm »
Len,
Thanks.
I will be ringing alltec tomorrow to see if there are places and look forward to putting some names to faces
May see you there
regards
Eddie

jcbdfa

  • Posts: 58
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2005, 09:40:02 pm »
i have never had much success with leaflets particularly random deliveries. i i always use business cards as i feel they offer better value. i only distribute by knocking on doors i do not beleive in wasting money on leaflets that go straight in the bin. i can get about 5 jobs (including referals) per 100(hundred) business cards. as i say people will give the card i have given them to friend/relatives etc. 4 jobs per 10000 leaflets is quite poor. try knocking but do not sell too hard, get people to trust, you put your address on the card esp with local drops. the local paper is good but a definite second place runner to knocking. i do use an offer, a free stain removal demo. if you are confident in your stain removal ability this can boost their confidence in you. if you come across an obvious difficult stain explain to them why and promote the benefits of stain protection(with a demo of course) . knocking is difficult, but 30 houses can be done in less than an hour(no cups of tea!!!)
my humble two pennies worth

HolmansUKLTD

  • Posts: 849
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2005, 09:42:07 pm »
I would regard Mike as the king of leaflets, when i asked him about them a couple of years ago he sent me a whole batch of his ones, they were excellent and gave me great ideas for my own.

sherlock you may have bitten off more than you can chew  ::)
Surreys No1 Carpet & Upholstery cleaner
Surreys No1 Dart player
IICRC water restoration Technician

Mike Halliday

  • Posts: 11578
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2005, 10:57:03 pm »
its a common belief that leaflet just go straight in the bin, but where is the bin in your house? usually in the kitchen. So the leaflet might end up in the bin but while they are carrying it to the bin they will glance at it, if it is some thing they are interested in they will not bin it.

It cost me the equivilent of 2.5 hrs work to have my leaflets printed & delivered this keeps me working 6 days a week, I challenge anyone to say any other marketing that will give me the same return.

I could go door knocking for a morning but to be honest would this bring in a full weeks work .... no

Mike

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2005, 11:18:41 pm »
I think leaflets and Yellow Pages are a no brainer, once you have got the copy right you then go away organise printing and delivery all you then have to do is wait for the phone to ring.

A lesson for the newbies

Shaun

Martin S

  • Posts: 455
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2005, 11:31:58 pm »
Hi guys,

I am currently in the process of trying to design my first leaflet.  I've seen quite few, but the one thing that strikes me about all that i've seen so far, is that although most of them look ok, I really don't think they are ''selling'', IMO. 

I started to look at all these leaflets thinking, right, I'll use this for this, and that for that, but when I stopped to think about it, I thought to myself, hang on!!  This would only really mean something to me if I was already thinking about having my carpets cleaned and a leaflet came through the door.  None of them would make me think about whether I wanted my carpets cleaned!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that none of them work, as clearly they do.  But if I had a leaflet giving a return of 0.1% and produced another that gave a return of 0.2 or 0.3% that is a two or three fold increase.

I read a statistic somewhere about only 14% or so of people get their carpets cleaned.  If that's true, that leaves 86% untapped!!  Obviously some of that 86% will probably never pay to have CC, but most are probably ignorant of the fact, benefits etc.  I don't know!! maybe!!

All that i've seen, bar none, say, ''XYZ cleaning services, carpet & upholstery cleaners etc etc'' and go on to say ''blah blah, dry fusion this, PH neutral that, truckmount the other''.  What does it all mean though?  It means something to me as a CC, as I understand the phraseology, but I'm unable to look at it objectively.

Some say leaflets don't work, others that they do, they can't both be right!  So a leaflets success has to be down to layout, message content (A.I.D.A), timing and frequency, and who it's targeted at!

How many of you have experimented with different leaflet designs?  I don't just mean putting different pictures on, or moving logos around etc, but completely different designs, messages?

Do you measure the responses carefully and what sort of response rate do you get?

Lastly, if any of you have got a leaflet that in your opinion works, could you e-mail or post me a copy?  Address details via a personal message.  I'm in Bucks, so I don't expect any from my local area obviously.  I have no intention whatsoever of just blatantly copying someone elses leaflet, but am after some ideas that I can adapt.

Of course, I may have this totally wrong and my first leaflet design could completely bomb!!  I'll have to wait and see.

Regards.

Martin


Ps.  Paul Phillips.  Sorry to hijack your post.
Martin

therapist

Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2005, 11:47:30 pm »
I think the impression being given here , mostly, is that printers will design a successfull leaflet for you and if you expect that to happen, think again.

If you use leaflets they must reflect your organisation and be personalised to show this.

If you don't have a clue then look at how the experts work, estate agents - money lenders-anyone who uses emotive language to catch your attention then makes you a time limited offer.

We only use leaflets in a minimal way, by leaving a couple with every client we've cleaned for.

What this does,  is simply act as a prompt to remind the client that somebody had asked to be informed regards the quality of work .

This probably gets a much higher return than any other method of using leaflets

r m

Martin S

  • Posts: 455
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2005, 07:32:17 pm »
No offers of a good leaflet then!!   :'( :'( :'( :'(

Martin
Martin

paulchambers

  • Posts: 530
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2005, 08:16:36 pm »
10,000 leaflets  hundred hours delivery work if i got 100 jobs i would be amazed if i got 10 jobs i would be very happy   Paul.

PS 10,000 a week is required (i personally cant do that and cant afford to get them delivered i am most likely like a lot of carpet cleaners its a numbers game its also a catch 22)

Len Gribble

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Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2005, 08:54:09 pm »
Think

Ron may have a point look inside a Yellow pages book what do you see apart from dots or zeros or both then you see name, rank and serial number, yes I’m there with a lot of dots and zeros. :( :(

Done an audit yesterday asking potential customer who else did you phone bit surprised she didn’t phone a friend of mine her reply he only stated carpet cleaning, where she wanted upholstery, one thing I hate still got the job.

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

mark_roberts

  • Posts: 1899
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2005, 10:16:21 pm »
Had a lady ring yesterday (YPages) asking if i cleaned stairs carpet meaning she wasent sure, if we only cleaned flat carpet ::)

Personally I think were in a recession and customer spending is way down so thats why flyer responce is down too.

I'm about 20% down on last years figures.

Mark

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2005, 07:26:45 am »
Paul,

I think you could get away with 3000 a week and wait for the results to burn in.   5hrs a day.

I notice from your Web Site that you are now involved with a major PLC.

It can work, but watch it does not burn your time.  It can very easily do so.

You may find you can pick up Carpet Cleaning Customers people buy from people they know.

Mike Halliday

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Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2005, 08:00:38 am »
I've got 25,000 leaflets going out today, this is being done in a way  that has never been done before in the UK

this has been arranged after months of careful negotiation with a national PLC company. the only way it was possible was for them to do 25,000 in one go.

I can't give any more details, because its all top secret ;)

but you can have great success with lealfets if you can sort out reliable delivery, sometimes you have to think out of the box :)

Mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Martin S

  • Posts: 455
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2005, 08:37:13 am »
Come on then Mike, share your secret!  Just send me a pm, I'm miles away from Hull.   ;)  Don't be getting like Sherlock!  :)

It does seem to be a catch 22.  Although I have time to deliver at the moment, if going to the numbers that Mike recommends it is simply not practical, unless you change profession to 'Leaflet distributor'

The firm below want £95.00 for 'Solus'!!!

http://www.dor-2-dor.com/html/residential.html

Martin
Martin

Martin S

  • Posts: 455
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2005, 08:49:40 am »
Mike H,

What is your target market?

Are you selective with leaflets (private only, or detached only etc) or do you just cover the whole area?

Martin
Martin

mark_roberts

  • Posts: 1899
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2005, 09:06:38 am »
Royal Mail

Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2005, 12:30:07 pm »
I launched my business in April have posted 5,000 leaflets & had 9 enquiries so far. I got the A4 format from Fastrack Business Building Programme as one of several marketing stratergies.

I worked for Chem-Dry for 2 years and their leaflets got about 1% on average responce.

Do you have a clear plan to deal with enquiries?

I never price over the phone!

Paul Phillips

  • Posts: 45
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2005, 01:04:08 pm »
NEVER ever price over the phone - if customer is adamant they want a price over phone I 'estimate' a square/foot metre charge, but then qualify that with the problems of not knowing the fibre make up etc etc. Things are slowly picking up and have not yet had a call that I have not gone to quote at their house as yet. Getting better at turning the quotes into jobs. Just done two this morning for Suites. One booked, the second will book next week when she arranges a day off work.

Out to quote a LARGE health club this afternoon..........

Paul
Resolve Services UK Ltd.
Covering Gloucester and Cheltenham

Mike Halliday

  • Posts: 11578
Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2005, 01:47:30 pm »
Not the royal mail, trhis is cheaper and guarentees the homeowner will see it ;)

I could'nt specify a type, only an area.

Mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

bennymon

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Re: Help with Leaflets - PLEASE!
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2005, 04:37:21 pm »
anyone know a good company to put out my leaflets :) :) :) :) :)