[robert meldrum]

Well done Joe

There you go guys an opportunity not to be missed . Wonder how many of the snipers will turn up on the day or come up with good excuses for absence.

Like it or not they are currently the best your industry has to offer so get along and find out just what they have / have failed to do to improve your industry.

[daysdeepclean]

I'm at Altec that day on a course.... I was thinking of joining the NCCA at one stage, think I'll put the money towards my own marketting as you suggested Robert

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Joe why on earth would a post about the NCCA upset the owners or moderators of this site ?

There must have been thousands over the years :

Cheers

Doug

[Mike Osbourne]

It all boils down to this-

What's in it for me?

You can go on about contributing and being a part of etc etc but the reason there is no interest is that most cleaners believe there's nothing for them worth the effort or price.

[robert meldrum]

Colin

Probably and yes we all have to start somewhere but why attack an organisation that has credibility within the industry rather than join it and see if you can change it from  within?
Incidentally I know exactly what's going on in Dereks head.

Decided to delete the rest of my response


Just read the Alltec training day post and agree with your comments after all it's YOUR BUSINESS and in spite of some criticism you will only get positive vibes from the people you meet there.

[Joe H]

Hi Guys
Joe why on earth would a post about the NCCA upset the owners or moderators of this site ?
There must have been thousands over the years :
Cheers

Doug

Simply because there have been points raised in the last 12 months about advertising, and I just didnt know where I stood with this post, but do appreciate having the ability to discuss matters openly on this forum, so didnt want to upset anyone.
So if its ok .... then its ok.
Joe

[Andrew Briscoe]

Its good that we can mention things like the NCCA, it seems more relaxed rules on hear now, you can even mention CCDO,  long may it last.

Andrew

[derek west]

bob
you know nothing about me, youve never met me, you just make your own judgements based upon my posts. you make out like your some wise old owl.
old! yes
an owl! no idea, never seen ya.
wise! ive decided to delete the answer to that bit.


"i've been cleaning carpets for 20 years so anyone who hasn't cleaned longer can't give me advice"

"you've only been cleaning for a year so what do you know"

"ITS CARPET CLEANING"
2 days training and your halfway there.
six months under your belt and your 90% there

the last 10 % you pick up when you come across it, and yes that could take decades but it won'y stop ya.

bob
stop kidding yourself, you clean carpets for a grand a week. 2 grand if your half clever, 500 quid if your not. but thats it.

unbelievable

derek

[Mike Osbourne]

Not wanting to agree with Robert LOL, but what I think he's saying is most carpet cleaners are probably of the opinion that they are not going to be led by some upstart who has just started c cleaning.

Again this belief may seem silly to you but to them they will be damned if they're going to take any notice of you.

[Joe H]

Time for a cold shower everyone.

[clinton]

Joe

didnt know you cared Long as you dont forget to scrub my back

[Simon Gerrard]

I was once a member of the NCCA, but only for as long as it took me to realise that it was nothing more than a  club run by a bunch of cloth-eared muppets who run it as if it were there personal plaything, which is why they are so reluctant to change and innovate and become more in tune with their members aspirations because they will only ever change their way, based on their ideas and not those of the minions they are supposed to represent.

If the truth be told, the only reason anyone is a member of the NCCA is for what they get out of it.

Simon

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Well said Simon - and it's a view shared by a huge number of carpet cleaners.


Steve

[Peter Sweeney]

OK. Have resisted for too long. Derek, give me a call. Have a very important job for you if you want to take it on. No point pretending any more but please (everyone) don't insult my/our intelligence by asking to me/us to discuss this publicly but if anyone else wants to help we are 2 years in and there is still plenty to do.


Pete
07816 276290
pete@oakleafcc.co.uk

[Simon Gerrard]

Pete,
There you go. You're doing the very thing we are all complaining about. Clearly you've thought up a scheme and rather than discuss it with us want to keep it secret until you're ready to launch it upon us. I dare say it's not entirely unconnected to your Yell scheme.
What we want is something WE want, not something you think we want.

If you've got an idea to take things forward, then why not discuss it openly and give the people you will ultimately rely on to make it successful as say in how it works. It can't just be your idea, it needs to be all of our ideas.

Simon

[clinton]

Derek

Id try and see how far you can go with your idea still dont give up...

Competition

[Peter Sweeney]

Hi Simon

Its got nothing tp do with Yell and there are many people involved already (some you would find very surprising). It's just not ready to go public thats all for many obvious reasons that a fella of your intelligence will no doubt work out. We don't share many views but we do share one and it's probably the most important one (ie the most common theme on this thread). The mechanics are still being fofrmulated but if you want to get involved then please ring me and we can discuss.

I can't begin to tell you the work that has gone into this already but there is still much to do so those that want to help and genuinely believe in something to make some reall changes then please get in touch. This is where we find out if those voices talking mean what they say (and before you say it is not about extracting money there is far more to it than that)

The best example I can give you is if you read between the lines of Keith Robertsons article in the recent Cleaning Matters magazine. There are huge contractors out there (ISS, Ecoclean etc) that are landing big CC jobs and sending there own people with 100psi Numatics to do the job. And this is just the Commercial side of things. What about the public? They need to be spoken to and this is one thing I know you agree with Simon (and please don't ask how we do that on here, call me and offer to help)

I realise all this has been tried before but that does not perturb me. Look at all the doubters of the other thing thatt J and I did, exactly the same, granted that was much simpler but look at it now

Pete

[Neil Williams]

I'm no " doubter " Colin I've been involved in two previous groups who attempted to achieve a National Identity but eventually gave up due to the APATHY of the people whose lives they sought to improve.

At the risk of repeating myself, this is exactly what happened when there was only one main player in the Window Cleaning industry.
Along we came to offer an alterative....."great" everyone said......first year membership was good and then came the "what are you going to do for ME"
Trying to get it across that undoing 60 years of some old timers hanging onto their 'club' wasn't going to happen over night, and with that membership started to die off.

Everyone wants an organisation for them, moreso for every £100 they pay in they want £200 back out. Just the mentality of the cleaning industry.

[Mike Osbourne]

If anybody is going to make a go of it, it's Pete and the strength in depth of well respected and experienced individuals.

[Simon Gerrard]

Hi Pete,

I hate to sound like a sourpuss and I don't doubt your sincere intentions.

If you're talking about negotiating national contracts etc to try and challenge the likes of ISS and Ecoclean then there is one huge stumbling block. Contracts like that go to the lowest bidder. Believe it or not lots of facilities and Contracts Managers merely want to tick a box, saying have the carpets been cleaned? Yes. That is why firms like those get away with sending in someone armed with nothing more than a 100psi Karcher Puzzi, because quality isn't the issue, ticking a box is.
This gives you a problem straight away because how can you be the lowest bidder and offer the kind of quality that we all aspire to? You can't and therefore you cannot compete.
I used to have national contracts and know the downfalls first hand, which is why we no longer take that kind of work on. These things often look attractive from afar, but not quite when viewed close up.
But supposing you do get national contract, how can you farm out the work when your members operate vastly different systems ranging from the Karcher Puzzi right up to our Titan 875 with triple RX20 capability, you can't.
You then have to offer a uniform standard with a cleaning specification and that applies to both the commercial and domestic sectors. Offering potential customers a uniform product throughout the country is a real problem because the companies that are willing to pay more than just the lowest bidder often want high standards and that would be deeply problematic given the vastly different machines and skills that will be on offer from potential members.
The people best placed to take on schemes like this are the national franchises, Hydrodynamix etc, but don't for all the reasons outlined above. There may well be huge contracts to be had, but they have to be lucrative too, otherwise people will have little appetite to participate.

For these reasons I don't think a scheme to generate work is the answer, not least because of the complications in setting it up and operating it. Generating interest in members services is a far more attractive proposition and I would urge you to take that route before you waste too much of your time.

Having said that, I would be more than willing to help in any way you think I can.

Simon