[carpetworx]

OK - I will ask the question

what does ICAN stand for?

Idividual Cleaners Association of Aust & NZ

[derek west]

are you a member?
are they any good?
if so why?

etc.......raaaa
etc....raaaaa
etc....raaaaaaaa. (yule brinner the king and i, cracking film, ahem... for the ladies)
derek

[carpetworx]

Not a member yet, but it seems to be gaining ground.
There's talk of making cc a trade qualifcation here.

[derek west]

relatively new organisation then?

what are there good points? what makes you want to join?

whats stopping you joining at the mo?

and there week points?

derek

[Ricky M]

Westy your like a dog with girl thingy flavored bone
Carpetworx you cant hide from fat wad so just start from the beginning and go into great detail about what you know on the Aussie trade thingy 

[derek west]

i have a thirst for knowledge, nothing wrong with that ricky laaaa.

carpet cleaning is my hobby. lav it.

derek

[derek west]

membership fee will initially be £100. first 50 only, with a money back gaurantee** including an opt out clause*

business plan has been formulated and looking extremely good. i'm looking for some serious investors to pitch @.

website and seo fees have been costed

tv advertising costs have been ball parked, including dale wintons fee

i will be investing £5000 of my own money. need to raise 20k to get things started.

derek

[Ricky M]

i have a thirst for knowledge, nothing wrong with that ricky laaaa.

carpet cleaning is my hobby. lav it.

derek

Not in any way knocking you old guy but i would like to read what he says with great interest.
Cleaning & restoration is my passion  and I love the way the NCCA really supports our industry and pushes 4wd the word to the end user with great vigor , found a client that had herd of the NCCA today !
didn know what it ment but he had seen it in the yellow pages on some 1s CC add . they seem to act like politicians , well looked after and smile at the crowds. it seems that a serious amount of folk on and off the forums are starting to sing of the same hymn sheet regards change. its a shame that ppl in that kind of a position do as little as possible to make an IMPACT on the public dom and com .
   
 

[gwrightson]

Derick,

I have been following this thread with interest, I have not up to this point replied in any way, having read all of the replies a number ot times I can see that their is  a quite obvious spit in opinions, thoughts , do,s and dont,s blah blah.

Now for my two penny,s worth.
I admire your determination, and would no way critisize your ambitions and goals and I sincerly hope that you achieve what your are aiming to do, and clearly their are a number of c/c interested in joining you. Good luck.
Now the bit i cant work out, the figures dont to me add up or I am missing some thing completly
Initial costs are going to be expensive, for the basic marketing alone , and an initial fee of around £100 per c/c  would imho not get you any were near the funds required, I would hazard a guess that a fair percentage showing an interest would infact retract when push comes to shove, perhaps you have private investors but some of the tactics you are talking about , tv/ radio/ magazine advertising etc would be an absolute fortune, even for just a one off slot during a programme that nobody watches would be in the 1,000s .
I just cant see it coming together, you may on the other hand prove me and all the other doubters completly wrong. Lets hope so , i dont want to see any member losing hard earned money.

As they say on dragons den!!!   I,m out.
geoff.

ps. for now  

[Ricky M]

Derek I could make a call to a an old freind of mine that runs a well known double glazing company running adds at prime time to get you some factual costings .
actually he rung 5 days ago pitching me
Cause i make good Coffee 

[derek west]

cheers ricky but its all sorted, got me figures from a london company , i know one of the guys there, all inclusive for a 6 to 8 week run.
derek

[derek west]

geoff
problem 1) £1000 joining fee is far too much, youve all pointed that out to me and i except my initial naivity.

problem  2) £100 joining fee is far to low to offer the members national advertising, i accept that and have always known that

problems are there to be solved

i believe i have solved these problems. correction, i have solved these problem and need brainy people to help me dot the T's and cross the I's

this can work.

derek

[derek west]

i will be seeing peter jones on tuesday at 1 pm, i'll let you know how it goes.
derek

[Ricky M]

Whos peter Jone then ?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Dragon's Den guy you know the one that looks like a long streak of urine.

Shaun

[daysdeepclean]

The same streak of urine that's a multi millionaire? Bargain!

[Andrew Briscoe]

Seems the NCCA will be purchasing premises for more hands on training.

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/a0eeda79#/a0eeda79/59

Andrew

[Griffus]

Hi Andrew, that's a good quality publication.

I've signed up to their mailing list.

Thanks for the link.

Ian

[murky]

That format looks familiar, didnt that used to be called Cleaning Matters or similar, I used to get that but then it stopped coming.

It was sponsored I think by one of the big hand wipe paper people, Diversey or similar. Thing was they were allways going on that paper towels were better than electric hand dryers. All that mess allover toilet floors oh yeh.

Murky

[Andrew Briscoe]

You could be right Murky, as i dont get cleaning matters sent online anymore, and looks similar.

Andrew