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ftp

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2009, 08:12:17 am »
I have a painter and decorater who will work all day for £140 and I think he's expensive.  ;D

Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2009, 08:19:53 am »

hardly cover the travel time

it's actually 2-3 min away from me

Crikey, what do you charge your travelling time out at then, cos 50 squid for 2-3 minutes travel is a tad over-priced even for the optimistic bull-$hitters on here  ;D



Looks like you’re the minority, when it comes to charging to little.

Even if it is only 3 minutes travelling, the time will still add up - 6 minutes travelling back and forth for the quote another 5 minutes to get the sale, going back to do the work 6 minutes 5 minutes meeting the customer and getting payment that’s 22 minutes. Any possible preparation for the work could mean more time at best you have 38 minutes to clean the conservatory roof.

Even if you could clean the roof in 38 minutes (you said it would take 1 hour) no way are you going to get £50 an hour after expensive and tax and a lot less when you consider all factors.

Is that pessimistic enough for you? Either way pessimist or optimistic £50 is still wrong.

 ;D

I didnt say Id get £50 after expenses etc, but to me £50 for that roof which would take no longer than an hour to do and is perfectly acceptable, in fact nearer the ceiling than floor.

As for your 2 minutes etc travelling time and chatting to the customer drivel, you do utter complete tripe at times and those comments illustrate your obvious lack of business experience. Do you say those kinds of things as your in the conversation now and can't back down so keep digging deeper?

But then again your figures lead me to believe you're obviously earning something along the lines of £2,000 a week. Is that the case?  ;D  ;D

cozy

Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2009, 08:25:52 am »
Let's face it guys, we've done this sort of job lot's of times. Sometimes I've got a good price , sometimes bad. From what I can see from the pic, it looks like a good price to me.

Mind you, I don't use a stopwatch when working so I would feel a bit cheeky adding 5 minutes for talking to the custy and getting paid ::)

I think there are window cleaners on here that think ALL of their custies are out at work or shopping when they clean the windows. This is not true, some just hide behind the sofa or in the toilet, hoping that the window cleaner doesn't start talking to them and boring them to death, eh Ewan?

Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2009, 08:27:14 am »
You have to remember that they have a window cleaner already and this has been out sourced as  a specialist job, therefore it should command specialist rates.

They are not monthly customers but one off's. Or once a year at best. For this type of job a one off price should be charged. Personally I would quote for the whole conservatory including glass and gutters as just doing the roof and not the gutters will, from eye level, leave it looking half done.

Price for whole conservatory clean, basic package £150.

C.C.S.

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2009, 03:04:22 pm »
to be onest i 'm happy with what i've charged .as i saw on previous posts window cleaners tend to earn somewhere between £20-£30 /h.so if i takes me let say 1,1/2h i would still get £45/h for this job which is nearly double of what i earn when doing just windows.so i'm happy with that.if i would say to the customer that i earn that much an hour i think he''ll sack me

Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2009, 03:35:05 pm »
Time for me to bow out of Ewans 'black and white' attitude to living thread.

It doesnt matter what Id do Ewan, so stop trying to make out that my methodology is wrong. It works for, I earn ample thankyou very much in a small amount of time. You know nothing about me, so stop making out please.

You never answer questions put to you, you simply try to run people down, you openly tell them they are wrong, you have no respect for your fellow forum members and as someone else implied on here you are boring.

Ciao my friend.





C.C.S.

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2009, 03:40:14 pm »
Well, all I can assume is this thread in that case is another illustration of those guys bumping their earnings up on here to totally unrealistic levels so they can be the 'BIG I AM!'

People regularly charging over £100 for an hours work, people saying they do 3 of these jobs a day week in week out.

What crap. If thats the case theyre earning £75,000 a year as sole traders and if you dont know thats b******s Ewan you really are the 14 year old people on here believe you to be. But of course you're entitled to believe them if you want to be suckered.


People have just said they would charge more or you could charge more.

You have just typed a load of rubbish yourself; maybe you’re not boasting about the prices, but you’re not entertaining the idea you could possibly charge more. You have just dismissed it for your own reasons only.

If J&A cleaning Services did the same as you he would still be charging his previous price of £20, but now he gets £50 maybe his next conservatory roof he will get more.

at the moment i'm happy i raised my price from 20 to 50 .i might as well go higher in the future.it's just that i haven't done to many con roofs so i'm still learning .i need to check people attitude first and see what they willing to pay for this kind of job.

C.C.S.

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2009, 05:54:44 pm »
Looks like Ewan the homo-sexual f*g sucker has had a relapse, time to go back to rehab Ewey baby  ;D


Loser  ;D
i think the moderators should kick this guy out of the forum
everyone has his own opinion ,good or bad .it's a free country ,they say ,so i think there is no place for insults

ftp

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2009, 05:59:29 pm »
Which one?

cozy

Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2009, 06:07:46 pm »
These sort of threads usually end up in a punch up J&A.
 In future mate when pricing a job up, remember to take valuable advice given to you on here, so when you're  on the way to the job and get caught at a red light, or have to stop to let a granny with a zimmer frame cross the road, just charge 2 quid more. Then you too can earn 2000 quid a week ;D

Isn't that right Ewan?

C.C.S.

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2009, 06:08:06 pm »

cozy

Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2009, 08:45:37 pm »
No it's not rocket science Ewan, even you can do it!

The guy only asked for an opinion and you, yet again, confuse the issue.
You always play the big business man / philosopher and in every post you make, you always earn much more than everybody else. You are so clever at working out prices, that you even include talking to the customer or a 3 minute drive to the job.  ???

Some of the guys on here, have been doing this job for 20 years and more, they know their own prices. You won't get 50 quid for that job in some parts of Scotland, in south east England you might get double. All those facts are taken into consideration when pricing. There is no need to pretend, to be the big high flying business man.
Everytime a thread about pricing comes up, you stick your oar in with meaningless business spin.
The best advice I ever saw on pricing on here, wasn't from you Ewan, it was from Ian Giles and he seems to know alot more about it, than you do.

Don't charge by the hour!!

Break down windows into a unit cost.

Then it is just a case of walking around a job, counting up the windows, breaking them down into what you consider to be a unit and multiply by whatever you have allowed as your unit cost.

It makes pricing far more accurate and takes out a large element of 'guess-timation' from the equation.

If you are fairly new to the game then you need to know what the average time it takes for an experienced window cleaner to clean your average window.

In basic terms, an average casement window, about 45" tall and about the same in width, with 3 panes of glass, one narrow opening light above a single fixed pane, and a longer opening pane to the one side will take approx 90 seconds to clean, including any detailing thats needed.
And that is to a good standard including the sills wiped down properly.

Oh, the above is for trad window cleaning, but generally, even if WFP, it is best to price up as for trad.

AS Simon said, to begin with you will be miles slower than someone experienced, but these are the people you are pricing against, so you need to be competitive...
AS your skills and speed increase then so do your earnings.

What you charge per window (or unit) is up to you, and is also to a degree governed by your location in the country.
My own unit charge is £1.00, and my rate - per - minute - worked is also £1.00

This does not mean earnings of £60 an hour...not by any stretch of the imagination...there is a world of difference between the rate - per - minute - worked and what you eventually earn per hour.

The rate per minute is the time taken when you are actually at the windows cleaning them, no  allowance for talking to customers, setting up or putting away or driving between jobs, or time off because of the weather/holidays/sickness/breakdowns and so on.

I'm WFP so my time per window is more like 30 seconds rather than 90 seconds and an average semi will take me around 10 minutes to actually 'clean'...but there is no way I will average 6 semi's an hour!!!!

Mr average on a good day will ...er...average about 3 0r 4 an hour over a full days work, oh, and for most an average days work will rarely be more than 6 hours before he (or she) is heading off home. That isn't to say many don't work considerably longer hours, we often work much longer ourselves (6am starts and 5pm finishes).

Something else to ALWAYS remember is that your hourly turnover rate (perceived not actual!!) is not your wage! it is your business income/turnover from which you take your wage....

Have a minimum charge and over and above that, price per unit and NOT per hour.

Ian


You are very good at uniting people Ewan.......................against you.

I really believe, that your customers do hide, when you turn up.




ftp

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2009, 09:15:50 pm »
What a suprise - Ewan in the thick of an argument again!  ::)

andyatkinson

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2009, 09:22:52 pm »
not so sure about that ewan, i personally have learnt a lot and had good advice from cozy's comments,
do you argue with your own reflection??get a grip its window cleaning and people come on here for help and advice and others like to return the favour, wind your kneck in

Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2009, 06:42:56 pm »
Maybe it's just me, but that looks like a PIG of a job. There's no way to get sideways on to the ridge capping, so cleaning it to a really high standard is going to be HARD.

I would have priced it at £75 on the strength of that point alone.

paul beckett

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Re: conservatory roof quote
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2009, 04:29:08 pm »
i would charge at least £80 quid for the roof because it quite large £50 is way to less then the guttering should be about £40-£50 to be cleared and cleaned up your prices mate


paul beckett