[des]

Goron when is the launch of the phoenix and any price yet

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I can't wait to see it and have a go, sounds well designed and easy care.

Shaun

[mark_roberts]

This thread sounds like a plug.

Anyways, Dave is this your machine as its dosent sound like you still are involved with it from your post?

Im down in Hydra solutions master for the rug course so would be interestd to see it in action.

MArk

[Shaun_Ashmore]

It does seem like a plug that's gone wrong, a 'marketing don't do' is let it leak out when you want a big bang! Joe Polish would be having a baby by now.

Shaun

[nevil]

Clearly you are impressed with the suck Goron.
But you can make all blowers pull harder by adjusting the releif valve. Not a great idea to let the blower work too hard in the long term. I guess it was adjusted that way to really give the system a very good test under very tough conditions. In normal conditions I guess the makers will be recomending a similar level of vac releif to comparable machines.

Will this be the first UK built TM. Look forward to seeing it.

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Nevil no i don't think it is a case of over stretching the blower but more like better design and plumbing like the kunkle valve for a start and other things but not my place to mention.

Just to get things straight, this is not intended to be a plug but i have been privileged enough to use a brand new machine, the first of its kind that has never been used in a real world scenario before and i loved it, so i am just sharing my experiences of the new machine with you all. surely anybody would do the same.

If i had the spare cash flow i would buy one but am in the process of taking on a second van (as of monday) and that is my priority at the moment.

Cheers Goron

[Len Gribble]

Goron

First of its kind is it nick spouting or you

Think I will wait a year or so, only got seduced once!

Knuckle valve been band about for years, have yet to see one on any TM’ers I have met. :

Len

[Ken Wainwright]

Sometimes, Goron, forums in general really pi$$ me off.

One of their raison d'etre is to share information, inform and educate. When we do this, we are often criticised for being biased or even have interests in the product we are informing about. We're damned if we do these things, but also damned if we dont. I know, I too have been there.

For the record, the concept for this machine is a little different to the norm. It's an entry level machine that can be installed in most vans in minutes as long as you have a fork lift. Slide it in, secure it, fill it with fuel and away you go. It's footprint and weight are perhaps the lowest in the industry this side of a demountable, tankless T/M.  So what's wrong with sharing this sort of information with fellow  "professionals" As we all know, a CIU member has had some input with this new machine, but for some reason, thank heavens, he hasn't been locked in the stocks like Goron. Thanks to Goron, we now know that this new machine is showing enough performance potential to be a serious consideration as an entry level T/M. It's footprint is smaller than my electric van mounted set up, so it looks like being one of the few ideal machines for the small van user.

Perhaps the pessimists would prefer to be educated about products from everwhere on the planet except for Cornwall?

Safe and happy cleaning
The Ken

[Mike Halliday]

the thing is Gorons first post does read like a sales pitch, just like a lot of members have mentioned.

whether this is intentional is debatable. but if we wanted we could look at your post and say the same,

 look at your middle paragraph starting ...for the record...

you start your post with a condemnation of people who criticise others for sharing information then launch into what would make a great sales pitch for the Phoenix. was your post an intentional sales pitch or just like you say, you are just  passing on information about something that would be of interest to other carpet cleaners.

perhaps we should just take everything on face value and for get any conspiracy that might exist.

s

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Well i didn't think it was a written like a sales pitch, thought it was more like a diary entry personally.

Anyway i am in a very lucky position in the country where i am close to 2 large suppliers/manufacturers and i have a good relationship with them both. So when i am in trouble one or the other will help me out if they can. This time i got to use the Phoenix and was impressed so just did what the forums are for and passed my experience on especially as it was the first time the machine was actually used for real.

Perhaps it comes down to the celts and saxons thing.

Goron

[nevil]

I have heard that the valve you mentioned improves vac performance. I beleive there is another brand of valve that does a similar job. By only opening once the pre set vac level has been reached as oposed to the standard type that starts opening and bleeding some air into the waste tank well before the set point is reached.

I seem to recall a thread about these valves on Truckmounters. Many folks were singing there praises because of the improved vac performance. However I seem to recall someone saying that fitting one to some machines will invalidate the manufacturers warranty in some cases. I may well be wrong on this and stand to be corrected.

Either way I would say it's pretty undenyable that if you are producing vastly greater vacuum from broadly similar componants then something in the system is working harder.

Not that it should make any differance to the pheonix as I am guessing the designers/developers will have looked long and hard at the implications of having one of these fitted.
 
On another note, I personally feel no need to slag off any suppliers. I try to look through all the sales talk and just judge the products on there merit. Nick and Solution come in for more than their fair of stick on here but I can tell you that I just bought an upholstery tool from him ( Nick himself put himself out to make sure I got it ).

The tool itself is fantastic. I cleaned a suite on Friday and the first sofa was dry before I left. I thought that type of performance was only available at CFR or Drimaster prices. It wasn't one of those jobs that only needed light extraction. it was caked in grease throughout the usual areas meaning  I had to go over it several times.

What I am saying is you don't need to make buying your supplies too personal. If the products are good, does anything else matter.

edited to yet more long winded & dull waffle

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

I would personally prefer to hear first hand from a fellow cleaner about the pros and cons of any product, rather than believe a sales pitch from a supplier - and for me, that is the major benefit of these forums.

I know there are a number of people that are disgruntled with a certain Cornwall supplier and that is their prerogative, however I think it is a relatively small number as a percentage of the cleaners on these forums.

I think the rest of us need to make up our own minds without being swayed by people with an axe to grind - and before you ask, the only thing I have ever bought from the said company was 5 litres of MPower.

Steve

[Len Gribble]

Come on Ken we all know where allegiances lies. Look at any politician; proof is in the pudding, get down the machine to me by Tuesday  (I have a F/T Licence) am not joking.

Len

[Ken Wainwright]

So Len (and others)

You are implying that anyone who has received good service and has a good working relationship with a supplier or two is giving a prejudiced report on a product. Yes, we all have allegiencies but are still capable of telling it as we find it.

If the administrator of Clean It Up feels that Goron's post was a prejudiced sales pitch and broke forum rules, I trust the offending post will be removed. It has happened before.

Next thing you know, Doug will be in the pocket of Prochem for praising their Pure Clean, Robert Stubbs and Clinton with Alltec for praisng their Advance X3, me with Prochem, Solution/Cross American, Hydramaster, Dry Fusion, Alltec, Chemspec, Sebo, Envirodri, Amtech, CFR, Victor..........

If some of us have a disliking for any supplier, for whatever reasons, it is not professional nor forum ettiquette to lambaste someone for having favourable reports about products or services from that supplier that some dislike.

There is a saying that you will all have heard before and which I and many others try to abide by. If you can't say nothing good about someone, then say nothing at all. Having said that, I did have a dig at the NCCA earlier today.

Safe and happy cleaning
The Ken

[Shaun_Ashmore]

We all type what we are thinking lets not forget what a forum is for!!!!! but also we should have the decency to know when to keep your trigger finger back in the holster just out of common courtesy.

Shaun

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Never a truer word spoken Shaun

And what with the awful news we have received today, perhaps in future we should all think twice before we press the post button.

Steve

[colin thomas]

what a ridiculous set of replies to this subject, if a new product comes onto the market, i want to know from a fellow professional what their opinion of it is, it is only THEIR opinion and over the period of a few months others would give their opinion and others can make a judgement whether to buy it or not - i can't for the life of me see that goron was pushing this unit, just describing his view of it,

colin

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Well said Colin

[clinton]

Steve and shaun

Too right and seems to be easy for some to spout there mouths off on here without thinking and even more sat hiding behind a screen as they would think twice before saying it face to face!!!

It all comes down to if you dont wana read the posts then dont!!

Litle big ...... men!!!

[Mike Halliday]

It all comes down to if you dont wana read the posts then dont!!

how does that work then?

you don't know until you've read the post that its some thing you didn't actually want to read

I was just going to let this post lie as it was getting boring, but As Clinton has brought it back up I just put another side of the coin.

some member have insinuated that this post reads like a sales plug which to be truthful so what if it does, who does it really harm.

You might think no one get hurt, but what about people like Matt who owns Cleansmart, he is building his business using good old fashioned business practices (like offering an excellent service & value for money) he never post on these forums and has no mates willing to push his products, is it fair on him that his machine get criticised for being too heavy by friends of his competitors.

the same could be said for  Restormate they are building a great company by like Cleansmart offering good service, they don't use mates to push products on these forums.

I actually like Nick but if I see a plug for his products, which over the years I have seen many times, from the early days of M/S through Allergystop and then into the scorpion & Mpower I will always say something.

 I don't want to get all moral about it but I think its not fair on the companies who don't have people singing their praises.

so thats why I always comment