[ronnie paton]

thanks cozy

[ronnie paton]

John i believe when comments are made against me it is personal, the comments havent been of a general basis.

Cozy well done im sure achieveing that in germany is hard work, but do you believe the NVq and other health and saftey courses WONT help a business grow if do make some valid points why you think this and one else that thinks it wont help give valid reasons why they believe this>??

[cozy]

Take the time to read my previous posts on the earlier pages.

That is a very good point.
I could only imagine that all this NVQ stuff is any good if people want to get into govt or contract work. I know "elfandsafty" is a huge issue in UK (even the mice wear high vis vests at night) but for the domestic custy type of set up, it's a little "top heavy".
Am I right in thinking that about 90% of the people on here are built on domestic customer base? I have no choice here in Germany if I am VAT registerd, it's automatic and part of the company registration.
I don't want to give the impression that UK is better than here for running a small business in. However, I would like to point out that ANYONE can start a window cleaning business from scratch without a clue and build it up to a successful standard in UK if they really wanted to badly enough.
Maybe that is why some people would like to make it out to be more complicated than it needs to be. I just got the impression that NVQ's are, in the majority of cases, trying to make "a silk purse out of a pigs ear"
On some other forums, as a newbie the first thing I noticed was all the badges and medals and tin foil I saw when I logged on. Felt really humble. Didn't get any pearls of wisdome though.

[ronnie paton]

Cozy i didnt read that and but this come about cause i wrote all that mock have no real future in the window cleaning industry so do you or dont you mock the NVQ???

[cozy]

scroll up and read my quote....

before I post, I always read the whole thread

[ronnie paton]

Right i made a comment (not directed at you) about people who are taking the mick out of the NVQ

and you commented a smart ass comment saying "i guess thats me told"

so make up your mind are you or arent you mocking???

cause this is why we are here

[cozy]

I've had enough of answering you, when you can't be bothered to read my posts, or find it difficult to understand the posts I've made.

[Tosh]

Cozy i didnt read that and but this come about cause i wrote all that mock [the NVQ] have no real future in the window cleaning industry so do you or dont you mock the NVQ

I mock the NVQ and I mock the person who posted this mock of a post.  I vote the above the mockiest post of the month.

You may mock me, and you may mock my future in window cleaning, but Wor Lass is mocking me, saying I've got to mock myself in the mocking bath.

Ronnie, I think it's time for your bed, before you get mocked some more.

Ronnie, I also think I love you; will you mock me?

[Rob_Mac]

No 'O' levels, no qualifications - didnt need any, I was the first person in my year to get a job - at 16 I went into the army.

I now have a CSCS card - why - I need it to do site work!!
I have an IPAF - PAL licence - Why - I need it to do elevated works!!

My impression is this. Do I need any other qualifications NO!!. Experience will outshine any qualification and the way that you carry yourself in your every day activities will determine the level of success or failure you achieve in life.

My work ethos is to offer the very best service, to my own exacting standard and I ask myself all the time whether I would pay for my service. I never disappoint myself!!

Here's a little case in point -

Cleaned a one off conservatory roof clean, it had really dirty grey finials, the customer was unable to get them clean, over a period of years. Now I could have washed the conservatory and given the finials a cursory attempt at cleaning but I didnt -  I cleaned all of the grime off and brought them back to a very good standard - not perfect but much improved.

Had a phone call yesterday, from a housing association, can I come and clean their head office - they are having an open day tomorrow (Friday). Just got back from 3 days in Bath, chewing gum removal - on a wooden area on Green Park Station.

I asked - How have you got my details, Turns out it was a recommendation from the daughter of the conservatory roof clean. Been this morning and priced it well and they were happy with the work. This company is responsible for 900 properties!!

You can have every qualification in the world but they will never compare with experience, ability and capability.

My commercial works are high level, exacting, national and always different. They couldn't give a shiney s*ite whether I have any qualifications. They only need to know that they will get the work that they are paying for - to their standard and that I am complying with all H & S.

Rob

[ronnie paton]

Cozy i didnt read that and but this come about cause i wrote all that mock [the NVQ] have no real future in the window cleaning industry so do you or dont you mock the NVQ

I mock the NVQ and I mock the person who posted this mock of a post. I vote the above the mockiest post of the month.

You may mock me, and you may mock my future in window cleaning, but Wor Lass is mocking me, saying I've got to mock myself in the mocking bath.

Ronnie, I think it's time for your bed, before you get mocked some more.

Ronnie, I also think I love you; will you mock me?

yawn, :

[Clive McDonald]

You are being a bit negative and precious ron.

Firstly an nvq is not seen as much as a qaulification, matt has some, and he's the one who took the mick.

Secondly although dave has an nvq he doesn't have a basic grasp of apwc which was once one of the businesses he owned.While he has no idea for the numbers for this now expired orginisation he does know about the fed. He knows for instance that committee work is unpaid.

And thirdly the thread started with someone's name, bryan dolby, it seemed to say this is who i am, who are you? Part of who he is involves the fed, and the fact that he teaches and assess' on these courses which i believe are now mandatory for membership.The implication is that is that if you do not have a qualification that he recognises then you are without value.

[cozy]

No 'O' levels, no qualifications - didnt need any, I was the first person in my year to get a job - at 16 I went into the army.

I now have a CSCS card - why - I need it to do site work!!
I have an IPAF - PAL licence - Why - I need it to do elevated works!!

My impression is this. Do I need any other qualifications NO!!. Experience will outshine any qualification and the way that you carry yourself in your every day activities will determine the level of success or failure you achieve in life.

My work ethos is to offer the very best service, to my own exacting standard and I ask myself all the time whether I would pay for my service. I never disappoint myself!!

Here's a little case in point -

Cleaned a one off conservatory roof clean, it had really dirty grey finials, the customer was unable to get them clean, over a period of years. Now I could have washed the conservatory and given the finials a cursory attempt at cleaning but I didnt -  I cleaned all of the grime off and brought them back to a very good standard - not perfect but much improved.

Had a phone call yesterday, from a housing association, can I come and clean their head office - they are having an open day tomorrow (Friday). Just got back from 3 days in Bath, chewing gum removal - on a wooden area on Green Park Station.

I asked - How have you got my details, Turns out it was a recommendation from the daughter of the conservatory roof clean. Been this morning and priced it well and they were happy with the work. This company is responsible for 900 properties!!

You can have every qualification in the world but they will never compare with experience, ability and capability.

My commercial works are high level, exacting, national and always different. They couldn't give a shiney s*ite whether I have any qualifications. They only need to know that they will get the work that they are paying for - to their standard and that I am complying with all H & S.

Rob

Point made I think

[ronnie paton]

Rob doing a good job the right way does wonders for your business, but these courses and accreditations also show alot about your company too.....do you not think??

I for one believe these have helped me a long way along with my work ethic and quality service and the way i potray my business.

One of them is not good enough but all of them together give your business very good foundations.

I believe if i put a quote in not just one factor like price would be good enough i beleive it would be the ALL ROUND PACKAGE that would win(most of the time)

[ronnie paton]

cozy do you even know what point your trying to make

[Tosh]

I believe if i put a quote in not just one factor like price would be good enough i beleive it would be the ALL ROUND PACKAGE that would win(most of the time)

Ronnie, do you put your all round package quotes in writing?

[Steve Lowe]

Secondly although dave has an nvq he doesn't have a basic grasp of apwc which was once one of the businesses he owned.While he has no idea for the numbers for this now expired orginisation he does know about the fed. He knows for instance that committee work is unpaid.

Just to correct about commitee members being unpaid. This is not true ! I resigned from the commitee two years ago and at that time we were paid £150 a day honorarium + expenses like hotel and petrol etc.

Steve

[Rob_Mac]

Ronnie

I would say we are friends and have communicated with each other for about 4 years now, I admire your progression and the things that you are doing to get to where you are going.

You remind me of me when I first started out and I will always have time for you and look forward to working with you, in the future!!

Don't be drawn by the arguments, it aint worth it!

I can see that  badges, Safe Contractor, Fed, ROSPA etc etc have their place and that facilities managers like them but they don't determine quality of service provided. Who has asked whether you have a NVQ in window cleaning, in your trading experience.

Dave St Ives has done well in his development and it is paying dividends having these but each business is slightly different. It also has a lot to do with marketing and the individual offering the service and their experience, and abilities

I am big, terribly good looking, suave and can be very sophisticated!!!!!!! but if someone is against all of that then I wont get a look in on a contract.

Stack the cards in your favour, however you think is best and if it works for you stuff everyone else!!!

I have never needed qualifications but I am an exceptional individual

Rob

[ronnie paton]

well Rob you good looking sod

on that note im off to bed.

And thank you for your compliments, camparing me to your self is a complimet has you have achieved great things.

[Clive McDonald]

Thanks Steve, that was my point. How can someone know for a fact that the chairman was an unpaid position, when they also claim almost no knowledge of an orginisation that they were running virtually single handed? This is the kind of committee lets all stick together double speak that the guild is trying to distance itself from.

[matt]

You are being a bit negative and precious ron.

Firstly an nvq is not seen as much as a qaulification, matt has some, and he's the one who took the mick.

indeed i do 

oh and as you asked, look at me 

i have a degree in building studies, that somewhat beats a NVQ ( but i didnt feel the need to post it on here, untill you asked ), the guy who posted on here ( who was setting up the NVQ L2 window cleaning course ) said that my C&G advanced craft is the same as a NVQ L3

oh and tosh, i passed my RSA 3 typing exam  i am not sure if that was 50 or 60 words per min, i hope it was the later

i did take the mick, my NVQ 2 in carpentry took me allmost 2 years to get ( which involved 13 weeks upon a time in college ) it was all part f my apprenticeship, now the NVQ2 in WC'ing is a day in class and a site visit/s , i do find it amusing how people can get so proud of the NVQ in window cleaning

my wife is a manageress of a hair salon, she has a jnr who has a NVQ L2 in hairdressing, it has taken 18 months to acheive and still isnt worth anything in the real world

as i said earlier in this thread

making posts about the qualifications you have are just bordering on the " i am a window cleaning technician " or a " optical enhancement specialist "

we are window cleaners, we scrub bird mess off glass, do we really need a certificate to show how important we are ? ? ?