General Election

« **Reply #60 on:** April 12, 2005, 12:01:16 pm »

AT LAST

Someone else voted other :

At least 2 of us have the cajones to say it rather than think it quietly

« **Reply #61 on:** April 12, 2005, 03:28:09 pm »

Ian

You are quite obviously a Labour die hard but have you stopped to ask yourself 'why' the Tories were in Government for so long?

Derek

« **Reply #62 on:** April 12, 2005, 04:08:14 pm »

Were is the Welsh party !

« **Reply #63 on:** April 12, 2005, 04:17:13 pm »

One of the biggest scroungers in this country are un-married Mothers, many of them who continue to have children with invisable fathers.

I still cant understand how I and many others have to pay for someone elses children.

Also this might may rattle a few cages, but I always thought the Poll Tax was a brilliant idea, everyone made a contribution unlike now where many people earning are getting local services for free.

Phil

« **Reply #64 on:** April 12, 2005, 04:29:18 pm »

Was the poll tax just for working people ? did the students etc get allowances to help pay ? i can't remember ...if so then linking council tax to earnings (as some are suggesting now cos of the sky high rate) won't be much different would it ?

« **Reply #65 on:** April 12, 2005, 06:42:30 pm »

Poll tax a good idea?

I shared a house with 2 mates our house rates went from below £1,000 to £3,000. We did not think that was a good idea, and judging by the riots lots of others agreed.

« **Reply #66 on:** April 12, 2005, 06:54:45 pm »

Poll tax/Community charge...its all a Governments way of getting 'two' big bites of the same cherry...Then there is indirect taxation of course.

No wonder the black economy is flourishing

Derek

« **Reply #67 on:** April 12, 2005, 06:58:35 pm »

No wonder the black economy is flourishing

Now Now you know you are not allowed to say that out loud

« **Reply #68 on:** April 12, 2005, 07:18:42 pm »

Karl,

OK karl I dont think that Council Tax is fair, shall I go out and riot then. Your comments give the impression the riots were justified.

They were just thugs who suddenly were having to pay for something they were getting for free prevoiusly.

Not sure what you mean by house rates, your poll tax would have been the same as everyone else. Whats your problem with that.

Phil

« **Reply #69 on:** April 12, 2005, 09:36:49 pm »

Human greed and blind folly are slowly sucking the life out of this planet. Think hard about our legacy to future generations and find the candidate who has the best environmental credentials.

If the Green Party have a candidate in your area, I suggest voting for that person. It is no use saying that your vote will be wasted. What is the alternative? For a list of candidates, go to
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/files/election/ge05-provisional%20candidates%20list.html

« **Reply #70 on:** April 12, 2005, 10:39:14 pm »

Paul,

so maybe everyone should have signed a petition, and say we don't think the poll tax is fair. When people get totally peed about something, they put they point across anyway they like, as long as someone listens, hence 'lets riot'. Actually you will find it was a peaceful demo, that ended in a riot, the orginal idea was not to riot but to demo, but when you get that many anger people that are fed up with no one listening, you get a problem.

I thought that the poll tax replace the house rate system, or was I living on another planet.

« **Reply #71 on:** April 12, 2005, 11:07:10 pm »

Thought the poll tax was a fair way of taxing, more you have in home more you pay the same as road tax do away with and put it on fuel, that way no road tax evaders.

Neil

Green party??? Have a problem pushing my TM around would have to revert back to

Wonder what the cost would be in fines for fouling the roadway, don’t think every one would run out to pick it up for there roses!

Len

« **Reply #72 on:** April 13, 2005, 02:53:48 pm »

I do beleive in east anglia we are about about to get our homes revalued so we'll all be paying yet more council tax very soon. I think as a single occupier and being self employed a link to earnings could suit me...even with my single persons allowance.

« **Reply #73 on:** April 13, 2005, 03:02:37 pm »

Thing is, when rates changed to poll tax, big houses under the old rates system became cheaper and small houses became more expensive. So the rich saved money and the poor had to pay more.

« **Reply #74 on:** April 13, 2005, 03:10:14 pm »

True....i was 17/18 i think when i paid the poll tax and i wasn't happy about it at that age having had mummy and daddy paying the rates ...but now i'm more mature i see everyone benefits from the services and teenagers make the most mess so tax the buggers on their income and and we all might benefit from better services. Also a link to income would greatly help pensioners on low incomes and the self employed who have a lot of their living costs go through their books. I'm not actually sure if any of the main parties are advocating this but i must have read it somewhere !

« **Reply #75 on:** April 13, 2005, 03:30:00 pm »

Lib dem are going down that line, and letting the old people keep their houses instead of selling them to pay for their care (another tory rule).
Problem is no one will give the libs a chance, and judging by this would rather put the evil tories back in power, god help us all

« **Reply #76 on:** April 13, 2005, 03:48:22 pm »

I think all the main parties have some good ideas...most of the lib dems are far fetched tho,labour are stale now...they promise and don't deliver...tories are being held back by past mistakes but labour made a lot more leading to 18 years of tory rule and they had to become more tory than the tories to get in.

It will boil down to the major topics, immigration taxes etc etc at the mo i can't see the tories winning because it would take a massive swing to achieve that maybe another 4 years for labour with a very small majority or a hung parliment. Altho there are a few weeks to go and i've been suprised so far how much Blair isn't liked these days and howard isn't getting as much stick as i thought he would.

« **Reply #77 on:** April 13, 2005, 05:15:17 pm »

Call me an old cynic!
Most of our votes won't count for anything anyway.
This election will be decided by 838,000 voters in Labour marginal constituencies.

« **Reply #78 on:** April 13, 2005, 08:13:57 pm »

Karl,

What makes you think people in big houses are rich and people who live in smaller houses are poor.

Poll tax had nothing to do with how big or small your house was anyway.

Why should the size of your house have anything to do with how much you pay on public services.

« **Reply #79 on:** April 13, 2005, 09:01:14 pm »

Recently New Labour have upset so many people that I believe they are currently embarked on a frantic damage limitation excercise.

The five billion theft each year from pensions haven't helped them, neither has the recent bodged attempt at banning the fox hunt.
Then there's Messrs. Mandelson, Campbell and Vaz to name but three who have caused a bit of a bother for them too.. I won't even mention the war in Iraq

Derek

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