[Peter Fogwill]

You could have the wheels away from your back. But my main point was if the trolley was right, then there is no time you would ever need it on your back anyway. 

Peter

[birdymiller]

Nice to see you posting again david. Backpacks all the way for me, tried ny trolley in truck as a van mount and reeling in and out is more hastle than refilling backpack. I carry it on my back and it gives me 2 hands to adjust pole whilst walking to the next window. I fill using containers at present and believe that even using this method it is the fastest way to wfp a house. Got 2 shurflos and in 6 months not had any problems, touch wood

[AuRavelling79]

That "rocketspray" looks perfect - 19.5 litres, removable wheels, 12 volts ...

[elite mike]

That "rocketspray" looks perfect - 19.5 litres, removable wheels, 12 volts ...

wonder who sells them in the uk,looks good to me

[dai]

I had mine on a very lightweight shopping trolley frame, it lasted about a year and was brilliant, I saw an old dear with the perfect trolley the other day, but someone had bought it as a present, and she didn't know where from.
I need a trolley weighing less than a kilo, wheels that are not too hard, and the backpack electrics placed where spilled water can't get to them.
Most backpacks are killed when water is spilled into the works when filling.

[dai]

I was looking at this one on ebay.      Item number: 370161958154   
It certainly looks good, just the job for going up steps.

[D.Salkeld_Ltd]

Peter and others,

Interesting to read about the idea of a trolley/backpack.
The first problem that springs  to my mind is:
Lifting the machien on to your back

OK you set off with 20ltrs and you do a few fronts then you come to a walk through house/garage.  Then you've got to LIFT the thing from GROUND LEVEL onto your back.  Now I don't care if it is (God forbid!)  full!! or only 2 ltrs in it, LIFTING it from GROUND LEVEL is a defenate NO NO!!

That's my point.  The 2 major problems of using a Backpack I have virtually elliminated:

1.  Lifting it on my back
     My Backpack is mounted on a rack on the back of my trailer so I just back up to it, strap it on, lift
     very slightly and away I go.

2.  Filling Up
     I have a tank in my trailer and a 1000gpd bilge pump with 1 1/4 inch delivery pipe to fill the
     backpack effortlessly whilst on its rack in 20 seconds.
     I am intending to fit a "In flight refuelling" pipe to the backpack so as in between jobs I don't have to
     take the backpack off to refill.

Please remember:

The main point I was originally trying to put across was the problems with the Sureflow Backpack

David

[Jeff Brimble]

Gr8 to see you posting again 

[Jeff Brimble]

I had mine on a very lightweight shopping trolley frame, it lasted about a year and was brilliant, I saw an old dear with the perfect trolley the other day, but someone had bought it as a present, and she didn't know where from.
I need a trolley weighing less than a kilo, wheels that are not too hard, and the backpack electrics placed where spilled water can't get to them.
Most backpacks are killed when water is spilled into the works when filling.

This ones from Wilkinsons approx £18 weighs 1.3kg fixes with a bungee top to bottom on the axle/front rail and lift the lot with one hand.

[D.Salkeld_Ltd]

My personal Opinion:

Backpack OR Trolley

You can't mix the 2!

By the way I do have a trolly in the back of the garage:

Draper Sack truck
30ltr Barrel
and I use a Chinese made 80psi pump with 5 speed controler pump box a coleage of mine got of E-Bay for £115 delivered.  It's not a bad piece of kit.

AND I have a Hose reel I can attatch on the trailer and along with "our" pump box I can use "Trailer mount"

I used them both for about 2 weeks while the backpack problems mentioned in myoriginal post were sorted.

But I still won't swap!!

David

[Jeff Brimble]

Just a thought for Dai.
 The Hudson above has 80psi.
Once you turtle into the  pac it takes over and boy can you earn good money on domestics.
But I mostly use an elecy golf trolley now 
Dave, You tried a frame for the pac or uprated the straps, I worry about the new guys using unpadded straps. The shoulder joints the most compicatedl joint on the body. I think maybe a milk maids "yolk" carrier to bridge and take the pressure off the shoulder would help.

[D.Salkeld_Ltd]

Jeff,

The trick with the straps is a good waist belt, (which, I note the Omnipole doesn't have) get it fairly tight and it takes the main weight of the backpack and takes weight of the shoulder straps.  Infact I often have a minor problem of one shoulder strap falling off.  I think I will add a chest strap to bind the 2 together.

David

[KINGAKNAA]

I've never put the pack on my back, never saw the point when it can be carried, I carry it with the handle and place it strategically and use 10 metres of Algarde, lift it in and out of the car and carry 10 barrels of water. Takes no time at all to refill the WCW pack. 

[Tosh]

, lift it in and out of the car and carry 10 barrels of water.

Don't you think that's a lot of water, about 250 kg, for a car?

[Small but perfectley formed]

mine set on fire when charging, this was a omnipole not fit for purpose ?

[cozy]

I have no idea about WFP but will be switching to it mid year. Would this be an option, it's on Ebay nr  200306458429.

[Tosh]

I have no idea about WFP but will be switching to it mid year. Would this be an option, it's on Ebay nr  200306458429.

It would be easier if you cut and pasted the link in your post.

[cozy]

sorry
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200306458429&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38.l1313%26_nkw%3D200306458429%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1

[Ian_Giles]

My venture into WFP was with a trolley system from Peter Fogwill some....what...5 years or so ago.
Operated it out of the back of my Toyota Corolla, got on perfectly well with it, but operating WFP out of the back of a car is hard work, especially lugging around 25L containers of water and the like.
So it gradually mutated into a mini van mount setup and the trolley itself slowly became redundant.

Then along came the van and I went fully van mounted...great!

My new partner now works with me, when she started doing so I equipped her with the window cleaning warehouse backpack.

Started out as a straight forward  backpack (never worn on the back though!!) which soon mutated into being carried around on a stripped down shopping trolley (much like the one pictured above).

But with heavy use the batteries on these things don't last long, the supplied chargers are pants too, so I soon ended out adding a small car battery, but these shopping trolley's are pretty flimsy things and ultimately the weight was too much...wheels fell off, the bloody thing would tip over! and so on.

So I bought a collapsible sack truck and bungee strapped the lot on there!!

Best thing I've done, it is a fantastically versatile piece of kit now, would be no good used out of the back of a car, the weight is too much really, but out of the back of a van it is safe and straight forward, all lifting can be done correctly.
The trolley is narrow and so far have had not a single problem getting around the back of anything, even through houses! (not had to wheel it over carpet as of yet).

To fill it I have a transfer pump in the tank in the van, takes 20 seconds or so to fill.
One speed pump I know, but I just have a very simple inline tap to regulate the flow, just the same as I do with the van mount.
I adjust it to about a litre per min and that suits me fine, on domestic houses I can do 2 standard size 3 bed semi's per fill.

Used alongside the full man mount the two of us can work very efficiently indeed.

The WCW backpack is a really good one, little to go wrong and ours has been going flat out for the last 8 months.
Hated the charger on on it so I bypassed it and use an intelligent charger on it instead, though as said, I now use a small car battery, but I had done this anyway prior to cutting out the original battery.

Ian

[Tosh]

sorry
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200306458429&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38.l1313%26_nkw%3D200306458429%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1

Rubbish, don't touch it; honest.  Why did you think this was suitable?

If you're after a trolley system, can't you purify your water at home and then use it with a simpler trolley that just has a pump and flow controller?

Or get a backpack?  I bought and tried a trolley system, but I didn't get on with it; I prefer the backpack.