[Clive McDonald]

capital expenditure is factored into running costs via something called depreciation.

depreciation is a running cost.

[luther1]

In which case the man who has a 15k van and ionics systems depreciation is far greater than that of the man with  1k van and diy system.Wasn't the point of the question relating to water,poles,resin and filters etc?.If i work in one street all day with my cheap set up then my costs are far less than the man with the more expensive set who drives to each house.Its a rather broad answer to the question really.I'd like to know the answer though!

[luther1]

BTW,to the person who posted the initial question,what were the wfp users running costs?

[Clive McDonald]

costs of goods or services sold includes running costs which in turn includes depreciation.

depreciation is a running cost. This is a fact not an opinion.

[mark dew]

i divided last years expenditure by the amount of jobs i did and came up with around £3.30 per job.
This is with an average job price of 13.37. So 25%.
This included no real big purchases. Just running costs and a spell in the garage for the van.
Quite an eye opener really. I  think that me as a business needs to put at least half and maybe double that percentage to one side to be able to grow and invest in new equipment.
Out of my earnings for last year, the running costs accounted for about 10% of turnover.

[luther1]

At the end of the tax year if you take your expenses and divide by the amount of units cleaned,that would give you a fair idea of costs per clean wouldn't it?

[Oakley Windows]

Yes.

Simplicity itself.

[macmac]

Stick to the topic, whatever you think, otherwise you know exactly how those threads go that you participate in.

OK Matt, I see now its diy accounting.

Fair enough macmac can explain that, otherwise he will continue to throw his dummy out the pram, if I correct him.   

I've deleted my post, it was below the belt & childish  

Tony

[Mike 108]

It was probably what a lot of us were thinking though!

[macmac]

It was probably what a lot of us were thinking though!

Maybe but I have to give him credit, he's consistant & we all have differing oppinions. Allthough we never agree, some of his points are valid. The trouble is for me, what ewan sees as an oppertunity to forcibly display intelect, most would know it as common sense & assume others would too. However, he does bring (for me anyway) entertainment to the forum & for that reason I like to read his posts. I can admit if I do something wrong & that was below the belt even for me. (I'm sure he likes me realy)

Tony

[Klean07]

Think everyones forgot things like insurance for your van, public liability insurance, tax, mot, maintainance of van/car.fuel, water, advertising, etc etc.

[Clive McDonald]

some good points, nice to see macmac backing off.

Just to clarify for you ewan if you buy a brand new van at 18k and after a year it is worth 14 k then that 4k counts as a running cost, but not the total purchase price of 18k.

divide the 4k by number of jobs or £17.50 per day (days worked 5 weeks 46). So if there were 17 jobs then this alone would be £1 per job.

Someone who didn't have a new van wouldn't have this expense so they could argue that it's an artificially created expense but it exists for some and not for others.

Just out of interest what sort of van and system have you got and what's the depreciation like?

[luther1]

are you including the 4k depreciation on top of the 50% first year capitol allowance that the inland revenue give you?That would be a 9k first year expense on a 18k van.Surely its one or the other?

[Clive McDonald]

I don't in the least think that you've got anything to prove. To own a vehicle with a wfp system inside it is hardly that brilliant an achievement, it's just that this is a window cleaning site, and to listen to the pontificating of an expert who doesn't even own a system is a bit rich.

Many of the topics start with someone poseing a problem or putting up a pic of something real in their lives.We then pick it to pieces with varying degrees of helpfullness, the original poster gets to have his say back, or even ambush you on another thread.In nearly all cases thought it's accepted that the people offering up insights are genuine. To be a regular on this site and be an imposter is a tragedy.

[luther1]

Who was that relating to?

[paul saunders]

 ::)43 posts ................ and not one of you has said what your houly running costs are.  :

[luther1]

How much did the wfp user you were talking to say his running costs were?

[ftp]

Spot on Discount.

 Remember Davo? Could post plenty about marketing and how we should all run our businesses but admitted he had never cleaned a window in his life - kinda bugs you in the end. I can see some amazing similarities too can't you?

[Clive McDonald]

I gave you £2 a job, another £3.30 a job.

If you are that bothered work it out for yourself like we had to.I doubt many will bother helping you in future.

[luther1]

Was that to me?