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Dave_Lee

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2009, 08:28:15 pm »
You are absolutely right of course Mike. I actually enjoy on site quoting when I do go out, and I do quite a bit. However when you are getting 5 or more calls a day (Not at present) the temptation to resort to phone quoting becomes overwhelming and before I know it its done ??? and I still didnt get the job (4 out of 5 anyway). Thats it youve convinced me I'm back on site quoting from now on, and if it doesnt work, its all your fault! ::)
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2009, 08:38:42 pm »
I get enquiries from all over the place I don't want to be going all over quoting, Mike Hallidays role model is the best but not always possible as he has little competition where he is and also good newspaper coverage mine is poor or I could take the expensive option by Royal Mail.

Anything in a 5 mile radius from now on gets quoted in home after that I will have to rely on my silvery tongue  :P

Shaun

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2009, 08:44:14 pm »
I have to say it's impressive that after all these years you guys still do some quoting at all. I'd be thinking I could only do so much more work anyway so give them a price on the and like it or lump it.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2009, 08:58:56 pm »
You never have enough work, alot of cleaners will work on the way you said but I prefer work all year round and lots of it, even old customers can become price shoppers as there circumstances change or another cleaner gets recommended that may be cheaper.

If you are putting your prices up every year (which everyone should) then you may need to go out and re sell yourself as alot of customers think you should charge the same as you did last year and teh year before that and that also it's a chance to pick up new customers.

Shaun

mark shannon

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2009, 09:02:48 pm »
The problem is if you charge top dollar to start with a 5/10% hike each year quickly makes your price silly.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2009, 09:10:00 pm »
I agree Mark I do try and put prices up on larger jobs that I will have discounted for volume, simple single carpets you have to be careful on and also upholstery has a bit of a taboo limit on it IMO, I wish I could get and feel comfortable with £280!!

Shaun

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2009, 09:19:05 pm »
There's not as many Yorkshire folk in Oxfordshire

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2009, 09:26:04 pm »
True it's like the County of the Damned, money may come in but will never leave!

Shaun

clinton

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2009, 10:15:04 pm »
Mike

Might start going out to quote on site too :)

Did go to one inthe city center of manchester on monday to see the building manager and that was the first on site quote for a few months.


Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2009, 10:21:28 pm »
It's not that. If I didn't I'd have to get the tea on.  ;D

Did 3 quotes this eve 2 sofas, one woman wanted me to just do the carcass, the other was two bloody huge things covered with dust sheets and loads of stuff on top of them. The room they were in had  hardly any lighting cos they had stripped the place out to refurb.

Should have stayed at home and watched the 6 O'clock news. On second thoughts perhaps not.

clinton

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2009, 10:24:21 pm »
Mike ;D


Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2009, 09:58:55 am »
Just doing a bit of maths here. Lets say you charge £140 for a 3+1+1 suite and it takes you 2 hours. Earnings per hour £70.

Now the suggestion is that you can get 30% more by going to quote. That's £42 more. So providing that going to the quote, doing it and getting back on track to what you were doing takes no more than just over 35 minutes then it'll be worth it/break even time-wise. If not or ,in this example, you clean the suite more quickly, then you're working more time for less per hour albeit more income overall. (The busy fool syndrome?)

The problem comes when you run out of time to do this and/or you still don't get the job.

This is not meant as a definitive example as everybodies rates/travel time/circumstances/time available and work/life balance will be different.

Personally I'm quite happy quoting over the phone (lack of time, caring for a disabled wife, running a house etc) for the "bog standard"unless I know the job is going to be a little out of the ordinary and then a visit to quote will be the order of the day. Occasionally I get a "minger" which means my hourly average rate will be down but this is an exception and reminds me of how well it normally works.
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

JandS

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2009, 01:13:27 pm »
You'd have to put your price up if you went out to quote.
By the time you've finished you can call it an hour.
Would any body honestly go out and quote for a single, bog standard room.
Or a 3 piece for that matter.


John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2009, 04:44:45 pm »
I think it depends on your closure rate on the phone, if you get 5/10 then at £140 providing that it doesn't take weeks to get 10 calls I would phone quote if you get 2/10 I would definately go out to quote.

Shaun

PS I think the Manchester and area cleaners on average get better prices than at the t'other side o'pennines, most here charge £70 for a suite based on YP.

clinton

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2009, 05:29:33 pm »
Dont think you would get the 140 mark without going to quote here either ???

I get the 95 and 100 a suite on the phone but have to sell the higher price.

Roger

Did you see that carpet cleaning shop has closed the one on opp the rising sun in hazel grove ???



Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2009, 11:16:47 pm »
Clinton

Is that "North of England Carpet Cleaners"? If so I can remember when a lot of their trade was uplifting carpets to take away and clean then return and re-install.

I know my Mum and Dad used that service when I was a kid.

Guess what Mum and Dad do now? ;D ;D

Shaun

I think we are now taking the discussion to deeper levels of interest and detail that are often missed on the forum.
Perhaps you are right about a price difference across the Pennines, but the principles we are exploring are still valid.

BTW I wasn't claiming to price suites at £140 but was taking a stab at a consensus view from some earlier posts. My price is c£100-£110, but I convert probably 70-90% on the phone.

The bottom line is whatever price you aim at if you have time on your hands then quoting on site will improve your sales skills as well as your conversion rate.
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

clinton

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2009, 11:25:45 pm »
Roger ;D

Was not sure of the name think you could be right and it changed owners as he owes a sum of money to a prochem dealer from droylesden and derek caint get hold of him to get the money :(

robert meldrum

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Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2009, 11:41:29 pm »
Careful how you word your comment Clinton, you should add allegedly, as you never know who's reading these posts and you might be guilty of slanderous comment, or similar.

r m

Jim_77

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2009, 12:08:23 am »
I'd just like to chuck a couple more thoughts into the equation :)

You're not quoting for just this job, you're quoting for a long-standing relationship with that customer that will hopefully bring in many times more money than the initial job you do for them.

First thing to consider is Customer Lifetime Value.  We all know that if we "do a good job" we get to go back again and get recommendations into the bargain.  You only have to sell yourself ONCE whilst sat on the customer's sofa convincing them to use your services.  After that, you sell yourself through your actions whilst working for them.

In my experiences, it's rare that a repeat customer will want me to come out and quote (in terms of "selling myself") again to them.  Most will just book in, or accept an estimate over the phone along with the reassurance from me that whatever the price they'll get the same value for money as the first time they used me.  Definitely after the 2nd job for a customer there's no issue; phone call, book job, do job, send bill, receive cheque.  I could hug some customers, they're so easy to work for :)

Then there's recommendations.  Again, in my experiences and generally speaking they're very easy to convert!  The job is as good as in the bag before they've even phoned.  The existing satisfied customer has already done the selling before I've even spoken to the new customer!  I find that this is truer the higher up the customer scale you go.  Bargain hunters will always be that - less loyal by nature.  So, if you're working at lower prices you end up working for less loyal customers, again generally speaking.

Here's the crunch - The higher paying customers feel they are making a more significant and worthwhile spend when they fork out a decent amount of money, so they will tend to be of the opinion that they are sharing something a lot more special than Mr Cheapo, and therefore will be more inclined to want to recommend (AKA boast about) you to their friends.  I get a lot more recommends from my high-paying customers than the ones who only have their lounge done once every 2 years or something like that.

Me, I jump at the chance to go out and quote; I'll do my utmost to get my backside sat down on a customer's sofa and tell them exactly what I can do for them and how much they'll benefit from using my services.  You simply can't sell over the phone, you can only price-match.  Even if I've literally just rolled up at home and get a phone call, I'll willingly drive straight back out to a customer 5 miles away if it sounds like a decent opportunity.

I take it even further than this.  When I can be bothered I actually arrange a home quote with a price shopper.  No offence intended to anyone here, but yesterday was a classic example.  I take a call and it's a number I recognise as not being a particularly nice area... the customer sounds common as hell, she even lets a couple of expletives out whilst talking to her.  My suite cleaning is up to 3 times the price of some of the numpties who work for sheckles round here.  To cut a short story long, I arrive at her house, tell her exactly what she's going to get from me and what she's not going to get for 40 quid and a bag of chips and guess what.... she cancels the other guy and I nearly choke in disbelief! :)

I think the bottom line is that a lot of people are afraid of SELLING.  We don't all know how, only a very few are natural born salesmen, the rest of us have to "Uhm" and "Err" our way through face-to-face contact with potential customers.  I think if we all tackle our biggest fear head-on and find out it isn't so painful, we all might suddenly find our lives improving a little bit.  What fear?  Rejection of course.  Get over it you big girlies, so what if they say no!

End of sermon :D

Re: How much do you charge for suites
« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2009, 12:17:54 am »
a good post as ever Jim.