[sageorgeta]

I have used canvassing teams in the past...sometimes works,sometimes dont.
What allways worries me is that a customer can be gained from a hard sell.

Why not canvass and rent the customers out to the window cleaner and share the turnover and then at an agreed point in time...say 4 months the window cleaner can then pay for the customers which he has already serviced for 4 months.

That way the canvaser and the window cleaner get a good deal and the canvaser earns more from the start.

[David Slater]

A simple question to the Mods -

WCBC was deemed to be offering a 'service for sale' and his membership was suspended until he pays?

How so, this topic can run and run?

I take it Scott Stevens is paying advertising rates?

Why don't I see a "paid advertiser" logo on his avatar?

Why isn't this topic shifted to an appropriate (advertisers) Forum?

If you're going to wield your big stick...don't you think you should do it fairly?




....or will I get banned for stating the bleedin' obvious? 



I have nothing against you Scott, just the way CIU uses its mighty POWER!!!!!!  :

It seems totally unfair.






 

[chrisyg]

its the way CUI is,

Advertisers are all equal but some are more equal than others

Still, WCBC would not come back here, he said it himself. This place is not winning any popularity contests, however is a big draw on newbies to the profession, which Express Cleaning Supplies can make money from, which is the very reason for this forum

We all know there are more helpul, un biased forums out there, which u and i and many others use David, which are far better - the only thing this forum has is numbers.

I know where to contact Kev, should i need help.. advice etc..  CUI's loss, others gain

[David Slater]

its the way CUI is,

Advertisers are all equal but some are more equal than others

Still, WCBC would not come back here, he said it himself. This place is not winning any popularity contests, however is a big draw on newbies to the profession, which Express Cleaning Supplies can make money from, which is the very reason for this forum

We all know there are more helpul, un biased forums out there, which u and i and many others use David, which are far better - the only thing this forum has is numbers.

I know where to contact Kev, should i need help.. advice etc..  CUI's loss, others gain

Totally agree chrisy,

But what about fairness?

It stinks that CIU (or its moderators) can pick and choose who to allow to advertise and who cant advertise and what rules apply and what rules dont!!

Let me make it clear - I have NOT signed up to any service. I have no vested interest....but the double standards leave me feeling like a fool.

WCBC responded to a regular poster and that topic got over 1,000 hits and over 20 pages of replies. WCBC defended his corner and other poster defended their corner. It was an interesting and enlightening topic.

This topic is nothing more than blatant ADVERTISING. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.

There is no discussion. No challenging of ideas. No thoughts from other posters - its just a simple BUY MY SERVICES advert.

I'm sorry Scott - I my humble opinion, you should PAY CIU to advertise your servicers and it should be removed from the regular topics and put in the adverts forum.

MODS - either let a discussion run to its conclusion or REMOVE all adverts.







 

[Clive McDonald]

David.
I think it's a case they just haven't spotted it yet. I'm surprised at how many have bit. All the ones i'd least expect to.

This is harmless pipe dreaming though.


Coach will come back, and he will pay.To be honest i had a few schemes that might have interested him.

[NWH]

its the way CUI is,

Advertisers are all equal but some are more equal than others

Still, WCBC would not come back here, he said it himself. This place is not winning any popularity contests, however is a big draw on newbies to the profession, which Express Cleaning Supplies can make money from, which is the very reason for this forum

We all know there are more helpul, un biased forums out there, which u and i and many others use David, which are far better - the only thing this forum has is numbers.

I know where to contact Kev, should i need help.. advice etc..  CUI's loss, others gain

Totally agree chrisy,

But what about fairness?

It stinks that CIU (or its moderators) can pick and choose who to allow to advertise and who cant advertise and what rules apply and what rules dont!!

Let me make it clear - I have NOT signed up to any service. I have no vested interest....but the double standards leave me feeling like a fool.

WCBC responded to a regular poster and that topic got over 1,000 hits and over 20 pages of replies. WCBC defended his corner and other poster defended their corner. It was an interesting and enlightening topic.

This topic is nothing more than blatant ADVERTISING. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.

There is no discussion. No challenging of ideas. No thoughts from other posters - its just a simple BUY MY SERVICES advert.

I'm sorry Scott - I my humble opinion, you should PAY CIU to advertise your servicers and it should be removed from the regular topics and put in the adverts forum.

MODS - either let a discussion run to its conclusion or REMOVE all adverts.







 

I agree this is no different to any other advertising he is still selling a product.

[Clive McDonald]

he is rather good at it though, look at the ones he's sucked in. He lives hundreds of miles from them and he's not even a window cleaner, or a canvasser even. He's a philosopher.

[David Slater]

David.
I think it's a case they just haven't spotted it yet. I'm surprised at how many have bit. All the ones i'd least expect to.

This is harmless pipe dreaming though.


Coach will come back, and he will pay.To be honest i had a few schemes that might have interested him.

DWC,

I sat back and i read everything. I dont think I replied once...there was so much much to absorb!! Both the Pro's and Con's of his ideas.

I learnt LOTS from everybody....is it worth it? Hmmmm reading today replies, I reckon not. - log in the next next day......hmmmm, he's psoted up another idea!!!....and on and on it went!!!

It was a excellent "discussion"..... I even got some personal messages from other posters to show me how they achieved the same results for free!! They even sent me their artwork and flyers to show me what to do??

Isnt this what we are all about? - helping each other?

And lets give WCBC his due, he sparked it off -  because other posters wanted to show me how to do it for free!!!


I say again, Scott - I have no axe to grind against you, and have nothing to sell. It just seems totally unfair that a very popular discussion was stopped in its tracks (for advertising reasons) and another is allowed to continue......ADVERTISING!!

I cant make head or tail of it!!!

Will a MOD please let me know where I'm going wrong?


A level playing field is all I ask.

[geefree]

Its not important though really, is it?

Not when people are dying in the middle east, or starving in the third world.

 

[martindrz400]

sounds good scoty give me a email tomorrow martinamies@fsmail.net

[David Slater]

Its not important though really, is it?

Not when people are dying in the middle east, or starving in the third world.

 

I didint realise any of us (including WCBC or Scott!!) were dying in the middle east?

If Scott is dying in the middle east, let him come forward and let me know....then I'll question how he's able to offer his "proffessional services" as a window cleaning round builder to people in the UK.

Reading the posts - he's based in London (so not exacly third world!)  come on Gazza, he's ADVERTISING pure and simple.

Theres no harm in that....but is he paying CIU?

That was after all, the reason WCBC was suspened.

How is Scott different?

[geefree]

Sorry,
i was just having a bit of fun and trying to lighten the situation, and by saying " dying and starving" i wasn't referring to Scott having to make ends meet.... i purely meant its not worth getting stressed out over, when there are more important things going on in the world.....

sorry it wasnt meant to offend.

I do agree, if this is not advertising a paid service, then i dont know what is!!!

It should be the same treatment for everyone,.. or leave all posts alone.

[David Slater]

Sorry,
i was just having a bit of fun and trying to lighten the situation, and by saying " dying and starving" i wasn't referring to Scott having to make ends meet.... i purely meant its not worth getting stressed out over, when there are more important things going on in the world.....

sorry it wasnt meant to offend.

I do agree, if this is not advertising a paid service, then i dont know what is!!!

It should be the same treatment for everyone,.. or leave all posts alone.

I was having lots of fun reading the topic which WCBC replied to -

It was brilliant. Everyone had something to say and something to contribute....then it just stopped!

Because of advertising rules.

Thats OK....WCBC must have overstepped the mark on CIU. I understand that and accept it.

THEN.....Scott starts posting a direct advert with not even a hint at "discussion" and its left for all to see and respond with not so much as a 'by your leave' from the MODS??



It stinks 

 



 

[David Slater]

Nah, I'm sick of this.

How do I report a poster to the MODS?

This topic should go the way of the WCBC thread.

Its advertising pure and simple, and should be put in its correct place (with revenue to CIU).....the adverts forum.

[chrisyg]

Nah, I'm sick of this.

How do I report a poster to the MODS?

This topic should go the way of the WCBC thread.

Its advertising pure and simple, and should be put in its correct place (with revenue to CIU).....the adverts forum.

This thread was reported about 5 days ago, after you mentioned it on another forum... just to see if anything happened..

Guess what nothing happened.

CUI MODs and Admin just have something against the coach - pure and simple.

Scott, nothing against you in anyway, but we want clarity for all!

TBH, the admin/mods have no balls... they delete threads/posts without any reason given, they should edit the posts, and include their reasons as to why they modified it for future reference to all.. even if you have to delete the post, just edit it, delete the content and say

"MOD edit - post edited due to (insert reason)..."

as said before

some are more equal than others..

viva, independent forums..

[williamx]

David.
I think it's a case they just haven't spotted it yet. I'm surprised at how many have bit. All the ones i'd least expect to.

This is harmless pipe dreaming though.


Coach will come back, and he will pay.To be honest i had a few schemes that might have interested him.

DWC,

I sat back and i read everything. I dont think I replied once...there was so much much to absorb!! Both the Pro's and Con's of his ideas.

I learnt LOTS from everybody....is it worth it? Hmmmm reading today replies, I reckon not. - log in the next next day......hmmmm, he's psoted up another idea!!!....and on and on it went!!!

It was a excellent "discussion"..... I even got some personal messages from other posters to show me how they achieved the same results for free!! They even sent me their artwork and flyers to show me what to do??

Isnt this what we are all about? - helping each other?

And lets give WCBC his due, he sparked it off -  because other posters wanted to show me how to do it for free!!!


I say again, Scott - I have no axe to grind against you, and have nothing to sell. It just seems totally unfair that a very popular discussion was stopped in its tracks (for advertising reasons) and another is allowed to continue......ADVERTISING!!

I cant make head or tail of it!!!

Will a MOD please let me know where I'm going wrong?


A level playing field is all I ask.

The debate still goes on (cleaningpro) : and I agree with what you have said, if there is going to be rules, and in some cases there has to be some sort of order, then the rules should apply to everyone, unless there are midigating factors, when he first started his canvassing offer, it was limited to one or two cleaners in london, which I feel should be exempt from advertising fees.

But when you branch out into a full blown business, then fees need to be looked at.

If he does not want to pay, then there are other forums where he can trade.
 

[David Slater]

Nah, I'm sick of this.

How do I report a poster to the MODS?

This topic should go the way of the WCBC thread.

Its advertising pure and simple, and should be put in its correct place (with revenue to CIU).....the adverts forum.

This thread was reported about 5 days ago, after you mentioned it on another forum... just to see if anything happened..

Guess what nothing happened.

CUI MODs and Admin just have something against the coach - pure and simple.

Scott, nothing against you in anyway, but we want clarity for all!

TBH, the admin/mods have no balls... they delete threads/posts without any reason given, they should edit the posts, and include their reasons as to why they modified it for future reference to all.. even if you have to delete the post, just edit it, delete the content and say

"MOD edit - post edited due to (insert reason)..."

as said before

some are more equal than others..

viva, independent forums..

Thank you chrisy,.....so I'm not alone.


Come on MODS -

Thats two members that have posted complaints to Forum Admin and still nothing happens?

Do I need to post a rude picture to get a response?

MODS - is this topic purely and simply and advert, or can you defend it as having any "discussion" merit?

You killed a topic stone dead that had over 20 pages of replies......what possible reason do you have to leave this tropic running?


Shame on you CIU  





 

[Scotty Stevens]

if you have any of your team in the north east i would be in for some of that m8

No worries mate. Just let me know how to get hold of you, and we'll see what we can do.

Nah, I'm sick of this.

How do I report a poster to the MODS?

This topic should go the way of the WCBC thread.

Its advertising pure and simple, and should be put in its correct place (with revenue to CIU).....the adverts forum.

Guys, I have just got back in to see where this thread has gone, and I'm flabbergasted. I had no idea I was doing wrong by posting here.

My apologies to all. I'm just a bloke trying to keep the wolf from the door whilst working on my career. I sincerely love life and love to see people get ahead, and don't get satisfaction from a free lunch.

I shall happily stop posting in this thread if it upsets anyone.

Total respect to you all, and I wish you the best ;-)

Scotty

[David Slater]

David.
I think it's a case they just haven't spotted it yet. I'm surprised at how many have bit. All the ones i'd least expect to.

This is harmless pipe dreaming though.


Coach will come back, and he will pay.To be honest i had a few schemes that might have interested him.

DWC,

I sat back and i read everything. I dont think I replied once...there was so much much to absorb!! Both the Pro's and Con's of his ideas.

I learnt LOTS from everybody....is it worth it? Hmmmm reading today replies, I reckon not. - log in the next next day......hmmmm, he's psoted up another idea!!!....and on and on it went!!!

It was a excellent "discussion"..... I even got some personal messages from other posters to show me how they achieved the same results for free!! They even sent me their artwork and flyers to show me what to do??

Isnt this what we are all about? - helping each other?

And lets give WCBC his due, he sparked it off -  because other posters wanted to show me how to do it for free!!!


I say again, Scott - I have no axe to grind against you, and have nothing to sell. It just seems totally unfair that a very popular discussion was stopped in its tracks (for advertising reasons) and another is allowed to continue......ADVERTISING!!

I cant make head or tail of it!!!

Will a MOD please let me know where I'm going wrong?


A level playing field is all I ask.

The debate still goes on (cleaningpro) : and I agree with what you have said, if there is going to be rules, and in some cases there has to be some sort of order, then the rules should apply to everyone, unless there are midigating factors, when he first started his canvassing offer, it was limited to one or two cleaners in london, which I feel should be exempt from advertising fees.

But when you branch out into a full blown business, then fees need to be looked at.

If he does not want to pay, then there are other forums where he can trade.
 

Hydro,

We've crossed swords once or twice before.....  

I sometimes havent agreed with your posts or your ideas.

....but it seems even we have reached an agreement that Scott is now falling into full blown ADVERTISING and this must surely need a ban/suspension pending advertising rates (subject to CIU rules)

Or maybe WCBC should be allowed back to defend his ideas.??

At least WCBC has the good grace to add to the overall discusssion of CIU....could Scott say the same?

Ban WCBC....no problem.

...but lets also ban Scott for flouting the same rules (to a bigger degree than WCBC if we're honest!)

Scott adds nothing to the debate - he's flogging a product.

[chrisyg]

carry on scotty.. do what you have been doing.

as said b4, its nothing against you in any way.

However, if admin/mods wer to follow their own rules, you would need to pay to advertise your services - in fact you would have just been banned straight off.

as you can see its a touchy subject, which is forcing members to go elsewhere for real advise among professionals.