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mikethechamois

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #280 on: January 06, 2009, 10:01:20 pm »
i cant read the script hydro but the first thing i see is the pictures of window cleaning and the carpet cleaning

if i wanted this done i would put the flyer to one side and bin the junk mail

you need to drop these flyers regular as people will throw them and then decide they want their carpets cleaned

Waterfed Windows

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #281 on: January 06, 2009, 10:09:47 pm »
 ;D
Anagram Window Cleaners say...Sewer as inane halo

ronnie paton

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #282 on: January 06, 2009, 10:11:22 pm »
hydro are these the flyers that have worked well for you??

iv tried very simalar ones prob around 20k each with out little joy? maybe its the area but this is why i feel flyers are all about luck some will swear by them some havent got the time

WCBusinessCoach

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #283 on: January 06, 2009, 10:14:17 pm »
Is this the new "2009 recession edition" that's being sent out now,.. or do I have to wait for that?

:)

Actually, I would rather give you a "2009 - Recession Edition" instead, if you don't mind waiting a couple weeks...

It's even better, in MANY ways, and will be available for a few days at a deep discount, once it's released Feb 1/09.

Yeah, hold off, actually.



I can wait a couple of weeks,... a sneak preview or 2 to tide us over might be good,...

:)

Okay...I'll see what i can do...

Its got a bunch of new important chapters, new and more marketing templates, action plans instead of just chapter reviews, and a valuable index to more quickly locate the page and reference you want.

It's also edited professionally, so the occasionally awkward grammar and little spelling mistakes here and there (which I am embarrassed to admit  ::) do indeed exist ) are all removed, too, creating an even more fluid and easy to digest flow of thought.

Overall, it's a superior publication in nearly every way.

Oh, and it's only available in a slick, jet black cover

I admit: I thought black looked cool for the covers :)

williamx

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #284 on: January 06, 2009, 10:17:00 pm »
Sorry about the writing but if you wanted a copy I am willing to post one to you. they do work, if fact the one you mentioned, I even had phone calls while I'm still dropping them though their neighbours doors.

While they are ok, not brillant I admit, they done the job they were made for, but I find that with the new leaflet I get a higher percentage of calls when I want them which is within a week or two of the leaflet drop, with the old leaflets I found that people would kept them fot months before telephoning.


craig b

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #285 on: January 06, 2009, 10:18:02 pm »
coach i just signed up.. but i want that one..

williamx

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #286 on: January 06, 2009, 10:21:09 pm »
hydro are these the flyers that have worked well for you??

iv tried very simalar ones prob around 20k each with out little joy? maybe its the area but this is why i feel flyers are all about luck some will swear by them some havent got the time

Yes both have generated me business, but the one with the pictures, does do better, in fact I confirmed a contract yesterday from one which was sent out last march, 4 cleans a year for £2000 so well worth the wait.

WCBusinessCoach

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #287 on: January 06, 2009, 10:47:04 pm »
coach i just signed up.. but i want that one..


K, check email

craig b

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #288 on: January 06, 2009, 10:53:37 pm »
many thanks...yoru secret sefa

craig b

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #289 on: January 06, 2009, 10:57:39 pm »
coach could i run idea by yourself and could you let me know what you think..tried discount but hes not playing...

WCBusinessCoach

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #290 on: January 06, 2009, 11:36:05 pm »
coach could i run idea by yourself and could you let me know what you think..tried discount but hes not playing...

Hit me


craig b

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #291 on: January 07, 2009, 12:05:00 am »
coach email sent hope you get the idea..we could may be partners and you could get in the uk market with out even living here.(i would use a smiley face but they wont work)






dont forget the marmite...

mikethechamois

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #292 on: January 07, 2009, 08:08:52 am »
hi hydro

 results like that show that your flyers are hitting their mark and getting you leads

the results are down to  your salesmanship

im a believer of "if t aint broke dont fix it"

alarm bells rang with the coach when he asked one poster to find out how many kids, what interests etc his targets had. could you imagine the logistical nightmare of sorting that out and leafleting each individual

thats when i started to think this guys a fruit loop/ does he really  understand the uk market

every time i ask about the price or question somethings hes said he goes on the attack

it will be interesting to hear from those who bought the book wether its worth the money or would they rather have paid the old price of £25

ronnie paton

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #293 on: January 07, 2009, 08:22:19 am »
hydro are these the flyers that have worked well for you??

iv tried very simalar ones prob around 20k each with out little joy? maybe its the area but this is why i feel flyers are all about luck some will swear by them some havent got the time

Yes both have generated me business, but the one with the pictures, does do better, in fact I confirmed a contract yesterday from one which was sent out last march, 4 cleans a year for £2000 so well worth the wait.
is that residential??
 
if commercial which i presume i prob means you got lucky with house you put it through and we all need luck, i have a meeting thurs for a management company who could be making me there only window cleaner all done to luck ill tell you the story.....

i went to get some quotes for portfolios made they showed me a couple they had price were to much but i noticed one was a management compny so i asked if i could keep....unfortunately they said i couldnt and i walked out of the shop thinking it was a oppertyunity missed...

then has i drove off i seen about 300m down the road while at traffic lights the same company, so i rang did some work and know there that impressed with my service i could become there only window cleaner meaningdouble figuers to start.

now if i didnt go for some portfolio quotes or didnt notice the brochure i was shown or didnt look left at the lights i prob wouldnt be in this situation.

Luck is a big part of everything and we all needit.....

Your flyers work for you which is good but iv tried about 90k delivered and for what its cost it just isnt worth it to me........

mikethechamois

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #294 on: January 07, 2009, 09:42:37 am »
your spot on ronnie

its being in the right place at the right time and looking for the breaks

ive done the same as you and lost money. flyers get you the leads

then your face to face and sell yourself, not your product..........you

once you have sold yourself to them they will take your service

keep your van spotless

look like a wc---------get your name embroidered on sweat shirts etc

get someone to photograph you cleaning windows in your uniform

if your vans written take a \pic

get the pics onto a  flyer, be bold and shout about it, grab their attention

window cleaner..............contact details

tell them you will be knocking to discuss their needs


thats when you can sell to them...........yourt not just a wc you are the best wc in the area and your work will speak for itself ........or they dont pay

tell them your not the cheapest but your reliable and do it right, frames/cills etc

this is also the time to tell them about add ons you do, gutters etc

give them the price then say nothing more untill they speak

if they say no its too pricey ...........offer an introductory discount for 3 cleans

by that time they are used to you and you just put your rate up


if they just say no and thats it ...........move on you cant win them all

but remain polite and professional.

but your flyer has to scream window cleaner or it will be binned with the junk mail

a flyer wont make someone with dirty windows have them cleaned but if your flyer hits their doormat at the right time you will get the job

keep looking for those oppurtunities and price high , you can always come down if you need to and still make money

first impressions count




williamx

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #295 on: January 07, 2009, 09:52:11 am »
hydro are these the flyers that have worked well for you??

iv tried very simalar ones prob around 20k each with out little joy? maybe its the area but this is why i feel flyers are all about luck some will swear by them some havent got the time

Yes both have generated me business, but the one with the pictures, does do better, in fact I confirmed a contract yesterday from one which was sent out last march, 4 cleans a year for £2000 so well worth the wait.
is that residential??
 
if commercial which i presume i prob means you got lucky with house you put it through and we all need luck, i have a meeting thurs for a management company who could be making me there only window cleaner all done to luck ill tell you the story.....

i went to get some quotes for portfolios made they showed me a couple they had price were to much but i noticed one was a management compny so i asked if i could keep....unfortunately they said i couldnt and i walked out of the shop thinking it was a oppertyunity missed...

then has i drove off i seen about 300m down the road while at traffic lights the same company, so i rang did some work and know there that impressed with my service i could become there only window cleaner meaningdouble figuers to start.

now if i didnt go for some portfolio quotes or didnt notice the brochure i was shown or didnt look left at the lights i prob wouldnt be in this situation.

Luck is a big part of everything and we all needit.....

Your flyers work for you which is good but iv tried about 90k delivered and for what its cost it just isnt worth it to me........

Yes that one is for a property mainternance company.

I sent them that flyer with a letter detailing the history of and what my company does.

They first asked me for a quote for a small complex in West Brom, they also asked quite a few other companies to quote as well, at the end of the day even though I was not the cheapest, (2nd cheapest) I got the nod, because of my presentation and quality of care and service. ( I work my business around whatever the customer wants).

Anyway they started to give me more and more mainly because I did what I said I would do ( they have had problems in the past) I have now been told that I am the offcial window/carpet cleaner for them and their clients.

So it should be a nice little earner.

I have also picked up quite a few commercial with that leaflet as well (nursing and care homes-pubs-offices and hotels).

I suppose some experts will say it can be improved but if it works why mess with it.

williamx

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #296 on: January 07, 2009, 10:54:03 am »
hi hydro

 results like that show that your flyers are hitting their mark and getting you leads

the results are down to  your salesmanship

im a believer of "if t aint broke dont fix it"

alarm bells rang with the coach when he asked one poster to find out how many kids, what interests etc his targets had. could you imagine the logistical nightmare of sorting that out and leafleting each individual

thats when i started to think this guys a fruit loop/ does he really  understand the uk market

every time i ask about the price or question somethings hes said he goes on the attack

it will be interesting to hear from those who bought the book wether its worth the money or would they rather have paid the old price of £25

30 years ago I started a job as a door to door salesman for a double glazeing company, you can imagine how hard this job can be, well I loved it and soon became very sucessful.

I learnt quite a lot about people and what is the best way to sell something to someone.

On some people you can do the "american sell" but with the majority of people all they want is an honest no "bullpoop" sale.

With window cleaning, its easy, all you have to ask them is do you want  a good-reliable-honest window cleaner? Yes/No

They will either say yes or no.  At times they might be unsure of wfp cleaning, but that where selling yourself comes first, if they have respect and confidence in you, then they will at least give wfp cleaning a chance, its then up to your skill at wfp cleaning.

At lot of forum members have told me to leave the "coach" alone, because it rare to have someone with marketing skills on the furum, well what about Craig from Ionics, a lot of people run him and his company down every chance they get, yet if you look at his marketing skills as the "coach" would say they are "AWESOME".

If you want to look at a window cleaner with awesome marketing skills who understands the UK market then you only have to look at a few members past and present on this forum. (craig Ionics-Alex Gardiners,Mike Express-Gyln Omnipole-David st Ives) to name only a few, there are many many more also out there, and all of them will help you out free of charge.

The other things that I do no like about the coach are, when anyone disagrees with what he says or questions his methods, they are ridiciuled and shot down, anyone who agrees with him are pawned over.

The main point, is his methods that he wants cleaners to adopt.

His main plan of action is for cleaners to target other cleaners work more aggressively, well this is a mistake, at the moment we have a trade where we are all willing to help each other out, yet you want to learn the "coaches" methods.

At the moment you all moan when another cleaners moves onto your customers with a lower price, well if you do go down the "coaches" route you better get used to it.

Some might say that I am afraid of the compertition, but remember I was brought up on this type of selling and instead of me losing work, if I adopted these tactics (and if others do, then I will) I would in fact be able to increase my round by at least 100%.

I already know the areas and propertys to target, I also know who are the cleaners.


Personally I do not think we will go that way, but 10 years ago, ladder uses never thought that wfp would catch on either.

mikethechamois

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Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #297 on: January 07, 2009, 12:56:39 pm »
amen

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #298 on: January 07, 2009, 09:46:11 pm »
Craig, yes drew a lot of flack, doesn't even bother with us.

Alex, best advice on here, well liked, great products, but a lucky dunce in marketing terms.(no trade shows or promos yet his products are so far in advance technicaly that they are a £400 must have)(imo)

Andrew, whom you didn't mention, nice guy but the forum has rounded on him at times.

glyn, paddles his own canoe, very good businessman.

hydro/william very solid, good info on a range of things from tax to business building.

But, and this is a big but, every time his name (coach) is on a topic the views and replies go through the roof. What's this one, nearly 1,800. Even if Elvis suddenly popped up on here he'd struggle to match coach. What's that all about?




peter holley

Re: Window Cleaning Business Coach PART TWO
« Reply #299 on: January 07, 2009, 10:54:27 pm »
its all fresh air....selling fresh air.... its empty... ;D