[drive surgeon]

    dare i ask?   kevin and ftp are you there? 

i think omnivac for the pro's and diy for the window cleaners/gutter cleaners 

[trevor povey]

its all diy ...if you want to be considered a profesional in guttercleaning have a look at JVPrices website!!

[ftp]

Is this a wind up? Judging by the smileys it's designed to start another row  :
Drive Surgeon, what's your definition of a pro?

[Nathanael Jones]

What's the difference between the 2?

Same vac, (the usual diy ones have the 38mm inlet, but you can buy ones with the 51mm inlet like the omni)
same hose,
Very similar attachments
The pole is the only real difference, and the SL2 reaches higher & is lighter

[Chris Galloway]

DIY is parts sourced by the users by themselves..

Just like DIY systems or pre made systems - pre made system are all made by parts sourced by the company - you can just as easily source the parts yourself (if you know what your doing), so by saying its more professional i just dont see that.. your just paying more for it. Its entirely what you want to do.

Omnipole is all the parts sourced by them, repackaged (im presuming) and shipped in one box.

The only thing omnivac has, is its power pole which can be used for pressure washing which you fit the gutter spike too.

How many times do we have to have this same subject being brought up over again..

As ive said before, its your Risk Assessments, Method Statements, Insurance cover, Waste Carriers License and PAT tested equipment, thats makes you the professional, not by how much you want to pay for a bit of gear which is pre sourced anyway.

[michael papworth]

DIY is parts sourced by the users by themselves..

Just like DIY systems or pre made systems - pre made system are all made by parts sourced by the company - you can just as easily source the parts yourself (if you know what your doing), so by saying its more professional i just dont see that.. your just paying more for it. Its entirely what you want to do.

Omnipole is all the parts sourced by them, repackaged (im presuming) and shipped in one box.

The only thing omnivac has, is its power pole which can be used for pressure washing which you fit the gutter spike too.

How many times do we have to have this same subject being brought up over again..

As ive said before, its your Risk Assessments, Method Statements, Insurance cover, Waste Carriers License, thats makes you the professional, not by how much you want to pay for a bit of gear which is pre sourced anyway.

Seconded, and with a slight addition.

A DIY system doesn't simply need to be made of self-sourced components. It can also include home-made or modified components.

THAT, to me, quite apart from the cost savings, is much of the fun of doing DIY stuff.

[Chris Galloway]

DIY is parts sourced by the users by themselves..

Just like DIY systems or pre made systems - pre made system are all made by parts sourced by the company - you can just as easily source the parts yourself (if you know what your doing), so by saying its more professional i just dont see that.. your just paying more for it. Its entirely what you want to do.

Omnipole is all the parts sourced by them, repackaged (im presuming) and shipped in one box.

The only thing omnivac has, is its power pole which can be used for pressure washing which you fit the gutter spike too.

How many times do we have to have this same subject being brought up over again..

As ive said before, its your Risk Assessments, Method Statements, Insurance cover, Waste Carriers License, thats makes you the professional, not by how much you want to pay for a bit of gear which is pre sourced anyway.

Seconded, and with a slight addition.

A DIY system doesn't simply need to be made of self-sourced components. It can also include home-made or modified components.

THAT, to me, quite apart from the cost savings, is much of the fun of doing DIY stuff.

Yes, but these gutter vacs are sourced components. No one is actually making anything themselves. Apart from gutter spikes.

[trevor povey]

these sourced parts don,t always work as well  

there high presure upgrade gun fitting to the powerpole could have been a lot easier,and for a leading company a set of instructions on system set up would of been useful

[drive surgeon]

it was just for fun as we all like these gutter vacuum posts its very entertaining.  but im after a vac after christmas myself.

[Glyn H]

Wally
Do you own an Upkeeper?

[Moderator David@stives]

The Simple answer is

the omnivac is a no nonsence out of the box professional product, which you just "plug and PLay"

The DIY is exactly what it says DIY, You have to source the parts and build it youself with trial and error.

Its a bit like saying what is best a Kit car or a ford mondeo, its all down to how much diy you have time for.

[Nathanael Jones]

A Mondeo? Great car (I have one), but you can't source the same parts for half the price of the car and then build it in an hour,.... 

[Chris Galloway]

The Simple answer is

the omnivac is a no nonsence out of the box professional product, which you just "plug and PLay"

The DIY is exactly what it says DIY, You have to source the parts and build it youself with trial and error.

Its a bit like saying what is best a Kit car or a ford mondeo, its all down to how much diy you have time for.

No offense Dave but i dont think you have really looked into this yourself, just given your opinion.

There is no building to it. it comes to you in seperate box's rather all in one. which you then just plug and play as you put it

either way its still trial and error on how to use the system properly.

Obviously if your require a pre made spike you can get that and the power pole to use it with from omnipole.

you dont need to use the carbon sl2's you could use the omnipole for the suction pipe sections, so in that respect you could have exactly the same system, with the same parts, sourced from different suppliers for a cheaper price.

The good thing with omnivac is if you have a problem with specific parts you can go directly to them for customer service and parts etc.

Im not against omnipole in anyway, im just advising that its possible to get the same kit for a reduced priced if you shop around.

It seem there are lots of these subjects being brought up recently.. for a joke or not, but either people simply just dont read whats gone before, or its a clever ploy of omnipole/vac to increase business via this forum as they are no longer allowed to link and promote.

Maybe thats just my opinion and not based on any fact

[Moderator David@stives]

Ok

Put it this way if i bought an omnivac, i would phone them one they would send it i open the boxes put it together then i use.

To do a diy one, i wouldnt even know where to start.

The chances are the shop bought one would be far superior, also  i could phone the manufacturer for advice.

Maybe if i had more time on my hands i could build one.



p.s

Omnipole didnt start this post did they, someone said omni v diy, and yes i do read everything before i comment.

[Glyn H]

It is amusing that the posters write with such authority and I can only guess that they must believe what they write yet none of the posters have even viewed our GutterVac.
Yet they feel somehow they have the right to make negative comments with regard to its manufacture.
The GutterVac has many unique componants which are constructed in our workshops to our own design, if this wasnt so then we wouldnt have been allowed to apply for patent pending. and we wouldnt have spent thousands of pounds with patent lawers and patent agents.
 I am not going to reply to people who dont believe this fact, you are entitled to believe what you like and I will not inform any one what is patent pending as this is the whole purpose of applying for patent pending nor will I supply application numbers, why should I ?.
If the poster is so knowledgeable about the law then perhaps they should consider studying for it, I do have an advantage as a  member of my family has just completed seven years of studying law and as he lives in our home then all i need to is to quickly ask for an opinion on a point.
What I will state is should any  manufacturer attempt to copy our product then legal action will swiftly be taken.
The same goes for the common law trade name  of "GutterVac " or "Omni GutterVac" if it used in any form of advertising in the EC be it web or litrature based without our permision then legal action will taken under common law for "trading off".

I am aware there is a franchise in Australia that uses the same name before this is pointed out to me but we are in the UK and are governed by UK and EC law not Australian law.

The GutterVac uses a 51mm inlet and super lightweight hose together with  a variety of attachments built by my staff in our workshops, these are not off the shelf componant parts, some attachments are indeed sourced from outside manufacturers and the same is true for virtually any product being sold.

To spell this simple fact out :-  carpet cleaning machines use pumps manufactured by in general, Flojet and motors manufactured by Ametek why are these not also being DIYed at your homes? Its not difficult to install a pump in a vacumm cleaner and then you will have a carpet cleaning machine.

I will not comment further with regard to the GutterVac we have many hundreds in use across the  UK, Ireland and Europe and we certainly do not depend on users of this forum to provide us with sales.

It was also previously posted that a simular system is in operation in Australia, I have carried out extensive searches and have not been able to find one system in Australia that uses poles to acess the gutters all the dozens of Australian websites show operatives walking on roofs with vacumm cleaner hose in their hands. If a simular system was in use in Australia then you would expect to find at least a photograph of it on the world wide web.

[sageorgeta]

It was also previously posted that a simular system is in operation in Australia, I have carried out extensive searches and have not been able to find one system in Australia that uses poles to acess the gutters all the dozens of Australian websites show operatives walking on roofs with vacumm cleaner hose in their hands. If a simular system was in use in Australia then you would expect to find at least a photograph of it on the world wide web.

http://guttermanblower.com/index.htm

As you can see from the design here they use a system from the ground...yes in Australia....
Addmitidly they use it as a blower NOW...but it was tested and previously trialed as stated using suction....so perhaps you will believe me now when i say once again that your concept of sucking muck out of gutters was in use years ago in Australia.
This business is based in Victoria and i was in western australia,so maybe it got around,and yes it does say that the developer decided to try to build it 3 years ago although looking at the videos i believe that this is much older,but i lived in WA in the nineties.
Believe what you want but i was there watching it....

[peter holley]

who gives a monkeys get a life

[sageorgeta]

who gives a monkeys get a life

People obviously do give a monkeys,and as you have read the thread it must of been of some initial interest,so perhaps you should get a life too...

[drive surgeon]

at least the thread gives possible purchases of the omnivac or diy more info about what is involved in the whole process of gutter cleaning. 

[peter holley]

who gives a monkeys get a life

People obviously do give a monkeys,and as you have read the thread it must of been of some initial interest,so perhaps you should get a life too...

these topics are being done every week.... and they always end up as a slagging competition