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cherubs cleaning

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ionics cash back
« on: December 11, 2008, 07:23:05 pm »
got email yesterday

got post card today



times must be hard



jerry





East coast window cleaning Services

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 07:59:08 pm »
yeap £1000 cash back card dropped through the door still not enough to make me part with that sort of wedge.

Hope you busy Jerry
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David Slater

Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 08:03:51 pm »
"Cash Back" on a system you are buying?  ;D

Now thats a very interesting way of describing a LOAN.

Cash Back - infers you agree to take out a loan (or hire purchase arrangment) and that Ionics 'give you' £1,000 back from that loan.

BUT - you'ver still got to make payments and INTEREST on that loan (and that £1,000 they 'gave' you)

Why not just drop the price by a grand?


....maybe somebody is making money off the finance charges well?




NOT really as 'cash back' as it first appears is it?

cherubs cleaning

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 08:05:37 pm »
hi ricky


busy but not ionic busy

 :o :o



jerry

matt

Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 08:16:24 pm »
"Cash Back" on a system you are buying?  ;D

Now thats a very interesting way of describing a LOAN.

Cash Back - infers you agree to take out a loan (or hire purchase arrangment) and that Ionics 'give you' £1,000 back from that loan.

BUT - you'ver still got to make payments and INTEREST on that loan (and that £1,000 they 'gave' you)

Why not just drop the price by a grand?


....maybe somebody is making money off the finance charges well?




NOT really as 'cash back' as it first appears is it?

watch it, the ironics lot will be onto you if you even mention anything bad about ironics

David Slater

Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 08:28:10 pm »
"Cash Back" on a system you are buying?  ;D

Now thats a very interesting way of describing a LOAN.

Cash Back - infers you agree to take out a loan (or hire purchase arrangment) and that Ionics 'give you' £1,000 back from that loan.

BUT - you'ver still got to make payments and INTEREST on that loan (and that £1,000 they 'gave' you)

Why not just drop the price by a grand?


....maybe somebody is making money off the finance charges well?




NOT really as 'cash back' as it first appears is it?

watch it, the ironics lot will be onto you if you even mention anything bad about ironics

Indeed.

I would argue:
This would technically breach the terms of the Hire Purchase Agreement - in as much as you are receiving a benefit from the finance which was not written into the original agreement.

I think you may have heard of such practices on 'new build' flats and houses where the developer was offering 'cash back'....by OVER INFLATING the price of the property.

Such practices have been deemed unlawful and possibly fraudulent by the courts.

All in my humble opinion and posted for discussion purposes only  ;)

cherubs cleaning

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 08:33:04 pm »
David Slater

i agree


but dont worry about the ionic boys they dont come on here any more  8)



jerry

Elginn

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 08:41:44 pm »
Binned my leaflet
I've seen the way they reply to threads and members, so my money will go somewhere else in the new year.

East coast window cleaning Services

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 08:51:00 pm »
hi ricky


busy but not ionic busy

 :o :o



jerry

Lol as much as there systems are the dogs a 650 thermo system at 10k is mad. it companys like them who will struggle in coming years as i feoel wfp market is going to get very competitive over the next 12 months
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cherubs cleaning

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 08:55:12 pm »
hi ricky


busy but not ionic busy

 



jerry

the money your on ricky i wood of thought you wood have bought 3




jerry

East coast window cleaning Services

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 09:03:11 pm »
hi ricky


busy but not ionic busy

 



jerry



the money your on ricky i wood of thought you wood have bought 3




jerry


Jerry where you hear that you been talking to site managers at Taylor wimpey or something ;D ;D
Listen i never talk pound notes but lets say things are ok, could be worse but could always be better.
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cherubs cleaning

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 09:05:41 pm »
news travel fast on wfp



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



jerry

East coast window cleaning Services

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 09:07:22 pm »
must be something in the water  :D
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cherubs cleaning

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 09:08:50 pm »
we monsier





jerry

Alex Gardiner

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 08:39:20 am »
"Cash Back" on a system you are buying?  ;D

Now thats a very interesting way of describing a LOAN.

Cash Back - infers you agree to take out a loan (or hire purchase arrangment) and that Ionics 'give you' £1,000 back from that loan.

BUT - you'ver still got to make payments and INTEREST on that loan (and that £1,000 they 'gave' you)

Why not just drop the price by a grand?


....maybe somebody is making money off the finance charges well?




NOT really as 'cash back' as it first appears is it?

watch it, the ironics lot will be onto you if you even mention anything bad about ironics

Indeed.

I would argue:
This would technically breach the terms of the Hire Purchase Agreement - in as much as you are receiving a benefit from the finance which was not written into the original agreement.

I think you may have heard of such practices on 'new build' flats and houses where the developer was offering 'cash back'....by OVER INFLATING the price of the property.

Such practices have been deemed unlawful and possibly fraudulent by the courts.

All in my humble opinion and posted for discussion purposes only  ;)

Having read the Cash Back offer postcard, the offer says nothing about finance. In fact in the small print it says that a deposit needs to be put down by 24th December and the full balance by 31st January 2009. So this is a genuine £1000 off the purchase price and does not apply to lease deals.

As far as inflating the prices, they have not done this because the money is off of their standard system price which I believe has been the same for quite a while now.

hi ricky


busy but not ionic busy

 :o :o



jerry

Lol as much as there systems are the dogs a 650 thermo system at 10k is mad. it companys like them who will struggle in coming years as i feoel wfp market is going to get very competitive over the next 12 months

I think that they have more room for manoeuvre that a lot of suppliers as their profits were £400,000 last year. Gives quite a cushion to ride through on.


East coast window cleaning Services

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 08:46:46 am »
"Cash Back" on a system you are buying?  ;D

Now thats a very interesting way of describing a LOAN.

Cash Back - infers you agree to take out a loan (or hire purchase arrangment) and that Ionics 'give you' £1,000 back from that loan.

BUT - you'ver still got to make payments and INTEREST on that loan (and that £1,000 they 'gave' you)

Why not just drop the price by a grand?


....maybe somebody is making money off the finance charges well?




NOT really as 'cash back' as it first appears is it?

watch it, the ironics lot will be onto you if you even mention anything bad about ironics

Indeed.

I would argue:
This would technically breach the terms of the Hire Purchase Agreement - in as much as you are receiving a benefit from the finance which was not written into the original agreement.

I think you may have heard of such practices on 'new build' flats and houses where the developer was offering 'cash back'....by OVER INFLATING the price of the property.

Such practices have been deemed unlawful and possibly fraudulent by the courts.

All in my humble opinion and posted for discussion purposes only  ;)

Having read the Cash Back offer postcard, the offer says nothing about finance. In fact in the small print it says that a deposit needs to be put down by 24th December and the full balance by 31st January 2009. So this is a genuine £1000 off the purchase price and does not apply to lease deals.

As far as inflating the prices, they have not done this because the money is off of their standard system price which I believe has been the same for quite a while now.

hi ricky


busy but not ionic busy

 :o :o



jerry

Lol as much as there systems are the dogs a 650 thermo system at 10k is mad. it companys like them who will struggle in coming years as i feoel wfp market is going to get very competitive over the next 12 months

I think that they have more room for manoeuvre that a lot of suppliers as their profits were £400,000 last year. Gives quite a cushion to ride through on.



£400k profit bet they only sold 50 setups  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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niceandclean

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 10:49:18 am »
£400k. Thought they would be making more than that. Does this include BWCA and Pure 2o?  Mind you, i suppose it depends on how much the bosses are paying themselves.

David Slater

Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2008, 02:01:48 pm »
"Cash Back" on a system you are buying?  ;D

Now thats a very interesting way of describing a LOAN.

Cash Back - infers you agree to take out a loan (or hire purchase arrangment) and that Ionics 'give you' £1,000 back from that loan.

BUT - you'ver still got to make payments and INTEREST on that loan (and that £1,000 they 'gave' you)

Why not just drop the price by a grand?


....maybe somebody is making money off the finance charges well?




NOT really as 'cash back' as it first appears is it?

watch it, the ironics lot will be onto you if you even mention anything bad about ironics

Indeed.

I would argue:
This would technically breach the terms of the Hire Purchase Agreement - in as much as you are receiving a benefit from the finance which was not written into the original agreement.

I think you may have heard of such practices on 'new build' flats and houses where the developer was offering 'cash back'....by OVER INFLATING the price of the property.

Such practices have been deemed unlawful and possibly fraudulent by the courts.

All in my humble opinion and posted for discussion purposes only  ;)

Having read the Cash Back offer postcard, the offer says nothing about finance. In fact in the small print it says that a deposit needs to be put down by 24th December and the full balance by 31st January 2009. So this is a genuine £1000 off the purchase price and does not apply to lease deals.

As far as inflating the prices, they have not done this because the money is off of their standard system price which I believe has been the same for quite a while now.

hi ricky


busy but not ionic busy

 :o :o



jerry

Lol as much as there systems are the dogs a 650 thermo system at 10k is mad. it companys like them who will struggle in coming years as i feoel wfp market is going to get very competitive over the next 12 months

I think that they have more room for manoeuvre that a lot of suppliers as their profits were £400,000 last year. Gives quite a cushion to ride through on.



Alex,

Are you SURE thats correct?
 

1. £1,000 cash back (implies finance)

2. £1,000 cash back of your own money?...doesnt really make much sense (grammatically or financially!).

So you send them a cheque cheque for £10,000 and they send you a cheque back for £1,000??? What advantages are there for the customer or dealer?
Presuming this is indeed your own money - is the company not eliminating potential sales from customers who only have £9,000 to spend?

I've heard of cash back deals which involve customers spending money throughout the year and if you hit certain levels, the company will send you a 'reward' or 'cash back' on a percentage of your total annual spend (I believe some credit cards offer this type of promotion).

But this deal is for a one-off purchase so it wouldnt fall into that category.

Unless of course you go out and find your own finance and present the lender with a bill for £10,000 of which you get £1,000 'cash back'......both parties would still be on shaky ground with that 'deal' I would have thought! - collusion?

Has anybody got a link to this promotion card?

 




Moderator David@stives

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Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2008, 02:31:54 pm »
Sounds like you pay the full amount, then you get £1000 back ten days after full and final payment if paid by 31st January.

David Slater

Re: ionics cash back
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2008, 03:28:19 pm »
Sounds like you pay the full amount, then you get £1000 back ten days after full and final payment if paid by 31st January.

Presuming this is YOUR OWN MONEY -

I still cant see the advantage of paying your own money to a company only to wait 10 to get it back?

You'd lose interest on that money (I presume you'd have it in an interest bearing account).
It could possibly exclude you from the deal if you didnt have £10,000 (if you only had £9,000 perhaps)
Theres no tax breaks involved
Would HMRC consider that £1,000 'income'?

If it doesnt involve finance, why not just discount the sytem by £1,000 for full payment by 31st Jan?...why 'cash back' ?