[windowwashers]

All photos are automatically copyrighted to the photographer unless commissioned.

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correct

[macmac]

EWAN-

miss-representation & law.  Please seperate the two.

[windowwashers]

Anyone can edit a picture. Its a different image then.

if it is a building maybe but a person, I think you will find you in breach of copyright also some buildings if you edit say the person out and do not have permission to have the image again you can be in the brown stuff

[Oakley Windows]

If you edit the person out of a skyline image (as an example) the person who took the original picture has no right to make any demands, its not the picture THEY took in the first place.

If you stick up the orginal unedited, fine, but edited, different story altogether.

[davids3511]

Thanks for your thoughts Nathanael but there is no "case" against Simon to be brought.

Why are you talking about 'SIMON' in the 3rd person when you are supposed to be the 'SIMON' in question?

[peter holley]

you ALL NEED TO GET A LIFE !

[DASERVICES]

Nice to put a face to a name www.pro-pure.co.uk/

Unless a photo is copyrighted then anyone can use it, we all have photos on our sites that are not ours. Let's face it if we put our own faces on we would never get any work

So in answer it is not copyright so all of us can use it. But sorry not taking up the offer

whose website is that

It's Simon's, think we should end this. We're all past 40

[d s windowcleaning]

I met andrew a couple of weeks ago when he came over from grimsby to barnsley ok only a hour & halfs drive but he came just to fit 1 part on my mates system that had just been instaled by him , i think andrew is a top bloke for that and after speaking with him at the time belive he will look after all his customers that he as instaled for .........................................

[peter holley]

you all need to GET A LIFE....INSTEAD OF WINGING ON THIS FORUM... YOU COUYLD EARN SOME MONEY :

[Pittmonkey]

Are you missing your intellectual conversations with Merson  Mr Holley 

[matt]

what a interesting thread

i know a very well known ( well it is now ) VW campervan that has been blazed on bill boards and the national press, the pics were taken at a VW show and the advertisment company didnt even ask the bus's owner if they could use the pics


now i see nothing wrong with this thread, andrew has used this forum to sell his gear for a long time ( and i guess made a lot of money from it ) its the the same with alex G, if you use the forum to sell, you have to accept that people just may have a problem and air them on the forum, you cannot have it both ways i am afraid

now the OP has a issue, i guess he would have been happy if andrew had asked, he is now asking andrew to remove the pics, fair enough i guess

[matt]

Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.

Thanks Tony
 

is this the template matter that some1 mentioned,

what was the outcome of that, i missed the end

[Clive McDonald]

What if Matt had all top pro equipment? Proper poles, a legit system, and all proffesionaly installed? I bet his van is like an ionics showhome....

I've noticed 62 vans everywhere too.Back of a bus for cov university open day covered in them. They seemed to have become an emblem for freedom and youth.

What a load of nonsence, the pensioners who drive round in the converted ducatos now used to use these and mostly they lived on peoples drives.You can't buy freedom and youth just by sticking a surf board on your roof rack.

[matt]

What if Matt had all top pro equipment? Proper poles, a legit system, and all proffesionaly installed? I bet his van is like an ionics showhome....

I've noticed 62 vans everywhere too.Back of a bus for cov university open day covered in them. They seemed to have become an emblem for freedom and youth.

What a load of nonsence, the pensioners who drive round in the converted ducatos now used to use these and mostly they lived on peoples drives.You can't buy freedom and youth just by sticking a surf board on your roof rack.

have you been on the beer or is this a post to be contender of " random post of the year "

[Clive McDonald]

The point is that someone  could accuse you of using proper kit instead of DIY stuff, a grave accusation i'm sure you'll agree and on a par with the alleged innapropiate use pics.You think he's fair game because of what you've said, i don't, and i don't think you'd care for it if it was you.

The camper van is interesting because it seems to have entered the main stream. It's sort of our eqivalent of the harley davidson.

The third thing of course is that because i don't agree that the thread is fair i have been trying to take it off topic.As regards your question i think dave deleted it.It was similar to this, true or not, just an attempt to cause ill feeling.

[magic1]

folks put pics, leaflets & van designs on this site all the time. they are going to be used by others if they like them. human nature really. i was told by my printer as long as 3 things are changed from the design its taken from nothing can be said or done. dont have a go if its not true! i'm just saying what i was told. 

[gerard mcmanus]

Another window cleaner gave me this site address -

You're right Luke - this isn't the place to deal with this but as Andrew has chosen to ignore my e- mail what else can you do?

Question, how did you know he was a member of this forum, if you did know that is?

I am going to persume here you mean that they told you he was a member of this forum. So taking it that you joined with the genuine intent to resolve your issue.

I would one say that I agree with you a little, he could have asked permission, however I cant see how it would cause to any problems per say so I think you may have over reacted alittle to it. Secondly I also agree that you shouldn't advertise an pictorial ilistration, suggesting it is something that it isn't however as people have said there is no way to tell, other than your personal account, and if his customer who order that product based on your picture, would not really be getting done out of anything if it looks just like it.

You could have gave this guy a better chance of responding, he is probably quite busy, and based on that e-mail, I wouldn't respond to you. If you had politly asked for them to be removed in your origional e-mail send to him then fine, but you have actually requested him to do nothing. What you have done is asked him to justify his actions in a way, which if you doesn't feel the same as you, bearing in mind you are in no way or his customers been disadvantaged by his actions then I wouldn't expect him to reply to you....

And finally, you could have called him, send him a letter, or even sent him a private message through this forum, before suggesting that window cleaners should stay clear of him, its just a little harse mate.

Gerard 

[Slash]

Please see below a copy of my e-mail to Andrew McCann of Exel systems formerly of Adepta Engineering (  aka Purefreedom - A proper company to deal with and who always provide an excellent service ).
As yet I have had no reply so thought you good people should be warned.......




Dear Andrew McCann
 
 I was a little surprised to find out from Adepta that you had left the company and was even more surprised to come across your website whilst browsing the internet for supplies of parts and resin etc.
 
Glad to see you're still involved in the industry though after all the advice you gave me on start up and even gladder that you have taken my idea on board about offering a days training whilst the system is being installed - that would have been very helpful for a complete novice like I was whilst having mine fitted at Adepta !
 
However, I was EXTREMELY surprised to find a beautiful, new Peugeot Expert van plastered over several of your web pages with its rear doors open wide and ready to receive a system - especially as it is MY van and the picture was taken outside the Adepta site ( you can even see the buildings opposite Adepta on the other side of the road ! ).
 
 
My van is also featured on your van waterproofing page - again EXTREMELY surprising considering that you are advertising a cheap D.I.Y. product called Protecta kote at £79.99 and my van floor has Kevlar re-inforced SPEEDLINER flooring at a cost in excess of £450 !!
 
Kind of makes a mockery of your home page blurb " you can rest assured of our integrity, honesty and down to earth attitude " doesn't it ?
 
Now - I look forward to receiving your comments and proposed next move because whilst I have no real urge to get Trading Standards or Speedliner  themselves involved I think they would be very interested in the blatant mis-representation - don't you ?
 
 
Kind regards,
 
Simon Brannon
 
Propure

Thats not your van you muppet,thats mine,I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram,I am really pleased he used my van for his website.

[jaykie]

If it was my van being used id be chuffed that out of all the pics Andrew McCann must have on his camera that he chose mine, also have to agree that i dont think any new customers of his arent going to not use him just because of he didnt ask permission of using a pic, and i also havent seen any proof it is your van so why dont you take a photot of it now with date on and upload it so we can see.

[Oakley Windows]

Well, lets look at it this way. Simon (Hmm!! Simon. Interesting name. Coincidence?) Came on here ranting and raving like he did and all of a sudden we haven't seen him again.

Has this huge point to prove and all of a sudden he gets up the next day and its not so important to prove.

Oddlier and Oddlier.

Then we have someone else, also a newbie, claiming its his van  Dont tell me he's called Simon too, cos its one hell of a coincidence that he should quite innocently register on here a week before a picture of his own pesonal van surfaces on the worldwide web with someone else claiming its his van.

Someones having a windup cos somethings going on here and it aint window cleaning