[Mark Roberts]

No offence to CFR sales or users intended but I simply dont believe recycling is possible when cleaning heavily soiled and greasy commercial carpets, black top, etc.
Unless of course results are sacrificed.

Cfr cleans with recycled water. It is important to understand that soil removal is the only measurement of cleaning effectiveness. If you cleaned an area and only removed 65% of the soil present you wouldnt class that as quality cleaning?
Recycling is a consideration only after soil removal efficiency. Then the consideration is only, how effectively are the soils filtered from the fluids prior to recycling. Cfr filters 99% out of the solids so you are left with-
Colourants or pigments.
Turbidity
Fugitive dyes
When I have done pubs in the past I normally refill after 150-200m2 depending on soiling, with out any problems.  Like Derek says an open mind is needed.

"It is evident that skepticism, while it makes no actual change in man, always makes him feel better."
Ambrose Bierce

[SMP]

Hi Nick.  Who was your comments aimed at - Steve Carpenter?

The recovery of rate of the CFR must be good - when used with the CFR wand - else the water tank would empty pretty quick on 1000 psi unit which must circulate the water at a fair pace.

Or have I missed something?

Steve

[paul@ctcs]

"Cfr filters 99% out of the solids so you are left with-
Colourants or pigments."


Colourants and pigments are not things I want to be cleaning with

But your right I'm sceptical

Paul

[Mark Roberts]

Paul, I understand where you are coming from but think of it this way, when you spray clean water on a dirty carpet what do you have? Dirty water. We all clean with dirty water, like it or not. As soon as a jet of water hits a carpet it becomes dirty, what you do with the water after that is what makes Cfr difficult to understand. Would I eat food from a carpet cleaned with a CFR or any machine...No . Although it appears clean its not, we all leave bacteria which is even worse when wet, only a post treatment with an anti-bacterial treatment will cure this. So cleaning with colourants and pigments is the least of worry.

Controversial Flow Recycling 

Mark

[paul@ctcs]

Good point, I'll have to take a look at the show

Paul

[mark_roberts]

I can see the benefit when doing large areas as theres not the need to fill and dump every so often but for a single lounge does it not take longer due to the fact you have to fill the machine to the top and then empty?  I usually have about 25 litres in my portable all the time so if the next job a small one I dont even need to use the customers water or wait for it to heat.

How much water does the machine need so it can be used?

Can the wand be used with a 'normal' HWE machine and how does the water useage and recovery compare?

thanks
Mark

[paul@ctcs]

So recycling aside, the cfr seems to achieve results and decent drying times using a uniquely designed tool? which requires at least 400psi to function, and all with only 1 vac motor??
Is the flow rate higher than with a normal extraction wand hence the requirement for the recycling system?

Paul

[Len Gribble]

Sreve

Dr. Eric Brown and Paul Bakker wrote the report.

A copy will be available to inspect at our stand at the NEC Cleaning Show

Any chance of a copy at the show or before? Do a lot of bedtime reading, as it the only time I’m not a prima Donna, as I like to sleep on things and very often wake up with a different perspective!

Len

[Mark Roberts]

Hi Mark,

Instead of filling the machine with buckets, you can just leave the hose under the tap and allow the Cfr to fill its self. When full it will shut down, allowing you to hoover the carpet while its doing this.
Paul, at 400psi the wand uses 1.25 gallons (4.7 litres) per minute with the Cfr 3 jet wand. I don't know how this compares to your wand? There are so many different wands some with 2/4 jet and all with different nozzle sizes.

Mark

[mark_roberts]

What sort of hose connection do you use for square taps as Ive got several but none are effective at staying on.

Mark

[Mark Roberts]

Hi Mark,
If you use the Cfr with normal 1 1/5 hose this will fit uder most taps. I somtimes use elastic bands to hold the hose while it is filling. Dont forget the Cfr has the trigger built into the end of the hose so you can use this to hold the hose to the tap.

Mark