[kris martin]

simon what happens if H&S say that you are not allowed to climb ladders to clean window under any circumstances will you change then?

[steve.ternent]

  I just wanted to say (back to the thread)
If you don't have one of those fancy goose necks... your lucky to lose her,
I hate concrete sills they wear the pole if not careful! 

[kris martin]

I just wanted to say (back to the thread)
If you don't have one of those fancy goose necks... your lucky to lose her,
I hate concrete sills they wear the pole if not careful! 

i cant wait till ive been doing it long enought to know whats annoying and whats not to make the job easier, like trad you know what makes things easier and what makes things harder, but i suppose this will come in time...

there is just one thing that is worrying me WINTER can somebody reasure me that  it is possible to work throught the cold winter months wfp then i will be 100% happy..

[Clive McDonald]

Simon is correct about wfp being more prone to binning. But there are factors other than quality at work, custy doesn't like us being too fast, doesn't like water around front door, doesn't like windows left wet.

What I don't understand is why is Simon still trad? For an otherwise smart guy I think this is daft. Do you do this as a business and to earn money Simon, or because you like carrying on a tradition and take a great deal of pride in your work?

[simon knight]

simon what happens if H&S say that you are not allowed to climb ladders to clean window under any circumstances will you change then?

Firstly they won't...but if by some ridiculous EU law they did then yes of course I'd change....

....I'd carry on as is...BUT cash only... f*** returns and the inland revenue...claim whatever benefits I could and become a cowboy!...and in the process probably earn more

[simon knight]

Simon is correct about wfp being more prone to binning. But there are factors other than quality at work, custy doesn't like us being too fast, doesn't like water around front door, doesn't like windows left wet.

What I don't understand is why is Simon still trad? For an otherwise smart guy I think this is daft. Do you do this as a business and to earn money Simon, or because you like carrying on a tradition and take a great deal of pride in your work?

Nooo! No Parking...no wfp! Trust me I know my area!

[kris martin]

simon what happens if H&S say that you are not allowed to climb ladders to clean window under any circumstances will you change then?

Firstly they won't...but if by some ridiculous EU law they did then yes of course I'd change....

....I'd carry on as is...BUT cash only... f*** returns and the inland revenue...claim whatever benefits I could and become a cowboy!...and in the process probably earn more

the way things are going it will one day

[WCE]

Simon is correct about wfp being more prone to binning. But there are factors other than quality at work, custy doesn't like us being too fast, doesn't like water around front door, doesn't like windows left wet.

i believe that as time goes on resistance will lessen just like it would of all those years ago when the squeegee replaced the chamois leather.

What I don't understand is why is Simon still trad? For an otherwise smart guy I think this is daft. Do you do this as a business and to earn money Simon, or because you like carrying on a tradition and take a great deal of pride in your work?

Baffles me to as if you look at any other business they use the latest methods where poss.

[NWH]

I just wanted to say (back to the thread)
If you don't have one of those fancy goose necks... your lucky to lose her,
I hate concrete sills they wear the pole if not careful! 

i cant wait till ive been doing it long enought to know whats annoying and whats not to make the job easier, like trad you know what makes things easier and what makes things harder, but i suppose this will come in time...

there is just one thing that is worrying me WINTER can somebody reasure me that  it is possible to work throught the cold winter months wfp then i will be 100% happy..

You can work through the winter with it and this is the main benefit of WFP as you can put gloves on and carry on with warm pinkys,you don`t even need to go hot either just add isopropanol to the water and it will stop everything freezing up.When the really cold weather comes we`ll talk then.

[kris martin]

I just wanted to say (back to the thread)
If you don't have one of those fancy goose necks... your lucky to lose her,
I hate concrete sills they wear the pole if not careful! 

i cant wait till ive been doing it long enought to know whats annoying and whats not to make the job easier, like trad you know what makes things easier and what makes things harder, but i suppose this will come in time...

there is just one thing that is worrying me WINTER can somebody reasure me that  it is possible to work throught the cold winter months wfp then i will be 100% happy..

You can work through the winter with it and this is the main benefit of WFP as you can put gloves on and carry on with warm pinkys,you don`t even need to go hot either just add isopropanol to the water and it will stop everything freezing up.When the really cold weather comes we`ll talk then.

why is there a problem then ?

[RPCCS]

Been trad 18 yrs just converted to wfp in Jan,try to avoid ladder work now as getting older , bones not as strong etc,6 weeks ago while cleaning gutters , low level  guy comes out and asks a favour , that "favour" has cost me  approx 8wks work due to a fractured ankle,so when I get back to work if there's any wfp complaints, I won't be going back and doing them trad.

[peter holley]

topic exhausted : a

nd drawnto its conclusion.....wfp is best by far....why?

S A F E R....AND QUICKER CHER CHING£££££$$$$$$

[windowwashers]

I received this today from a customer of mine. A £15 a month customer. Cleaned for 3 years trad, 18 months WFP all windows uPVC. Previously told me that this new system was basically the dogs danglees. I'd like to point out that she doesn't have any uPVC sills, just stone ones. What would you think about this?

Chris,

Please find enclosed payment for the windows from 14th May. I am writing to inform you that I will no longer need your services - I feel that the new method you use is not as effective. (RE: Wiping off sills and it also seems to be marking the gold handles and hinges on the french doors)

Many Thanks for all your hard work in the past.

Mrs Powell.

She may well be using that as an excuse because she cant afford it, or she does not like the water. Or you could be doing these things she has said, the later only you will know.

I think I have heard most of the excuses in the world, there is the odd new one that makes me laugh.

Best thing to do is just move on and dont let it get you down.


Ian

[chrise]

slight change of tack , most brass or "gold" hinges and handles discolour and blister with age , they don't make em like they used to. good luck  getting a better job to replace it , they always come.

[stephen.b1]

if carlsberg made forums it would be just like this one

[Simon_King]

If Ive lost half a dozen jobs due to wfp over 4 years then I'd be amazed.
If Ive GAINED two dozen jobs from trad cleaners then I'd probably way short of the actual number gained.
For the record again I clean both trad and wfp. But wfp is my 1st choice on upstairs work.

One old lass said to me once. " Dont think much to that machine"
I said " Why? Is it leaving spots or runs etc"
She said " No it cleans them fine...I just dont like it"
She was however happy for me to continue.
People are strange sometimes. They dont like change. They feel that they are short changed if you use wfp.
Most wake up and smell the coffee sooner or later.

[cbcs]

topic exhausted : a

nd drawnto its conclusion.....wfp is best by far....why?

S A F E R....AND QUICKER CHER CHING£££££$$$$$$

  You make me laugh so much!

[cbcs]

slight change of tack , most brass or "gold" hinges and handles discolour and blister with age , they don't make em like they used to. good luck  getting a better job to replace it , they always come.

Already replaced her! 

[cbcs]

if carlsberg made forums it would be just like this one

I love Carlsberg. 

[jonah]

Looks a bit grim out there Chris  :