[jewelcleaning]

My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty.  Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.

Its sad really that window cleaning is to some the be all and end all of life.

Some may choose to work enough to support their families, and a little to share, and choose window cleaning to do so because it pays well.

The traditional method is a very cheap way to set up, and has very low overheads.




And no, i'm not just trad.

[steve m]

its simple- work to live, not live to work. When it gets to the latter its time to give up!!

[matt]

My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty.  Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.

Its sad really that window cleaning is to some the be all and end all of life.

Some may choose to work enough to support their families, and a little to share, and choose window cleaning to do so because it pays well.

The traditional method is a very cheap way to set up, and has very low overheads.




And no, i'm not just trad.

who made thq qoute in the first place anyway, just out of interest, well its so i can laugh at them really

[jewelcleaning]

Here here.

 

Lets just be glad were not decorators.

[mark dew]

who made thq qoute in the first place anyway, just out of interest, well its so i can laugh at them really

the illustrious tennet, i think. 

[jewelcleaning]

yup

[TennetClean]

We aim to please

[Wayne Thomas]

Here here.

 

Lets just be glad were not decorators.

Nice paint job, lol

[alanwilson]

there is more to life than window cleaning - and why oh why is there always a debate over wfp/trad?  Some guys seem to forget trad served us well for many years, and will continue to do so for years to come.  We clean shops etc trad, anything we can't reach from the ground gets done with the pole. 

Trying to force wfp on people by insults is pathetic, get on with your own life and stop interfering with everyone else's life.

[mr D]

i dont understand why there is so many arguments over what is better wfp or trad?

why do people let it bother them, if it works for them then thats all that matters, if people want to climb a ladder for 6-10 quid or if they'd rather spend a few quid and stay on the ground,

WHO CARES/

i really dont want to sound like a moaner but the problem i have with wfp is not the equp ment its self but its users. now i'm not saying you all do this but those of you who do know who you are and can hang your head in shame.

wfp users where i work go around pricing work telling people ''its illigle to clime ladders and any one who dose is breaking the law'' this is rubish. there are millions more people wanting a w/c than there are w/c's so y on earth do they feel the need to lie to gain work? i once met a wc in bournemouth with a nice van and one member of staff called andy who told me 'he advised the HSE as to what they should to regarding working at hights and in two years all ladders will be banned!' this made me chuccle because i was working for my dad at the time who owns a business that empoyed 7 w/c and 10 cleaners at the time he had 2x L200's 1x berlingo 1x vivaro with back seats on the road and was sitting at home on his arse watching his 52'' plasma why we all worked. this any chap made out he was the muts nuts just because he had a wfp system. my dad had one but hardly used it because his customas thought it left a rubish finish.

i'm trad my self but hopefully once ive bought my self a van i shall save to buy a trolly system to ade my business, not take over it!! i'm not going to say what i earn but i do well enough. and am more than willing to take the pepsi challange with any w/c as i'm fooking good at it so there is no reason i need to pac shelvs although there is nothing wrong with that either as i did it when i was 13 and you guessed it, i was fooking good at that too! lol. no i cant afford to just go out and buy a wfp system strate away but that because we all live diffrent lives. big morgages exspencive hobbies etc etc.

oh i later found out that this andy chap asked for domestic work back that he had given to one of his ex employees when he decided to go soley comercial but couldnt pick up enough. plum!!

[Mike_G]

I guess the guy was bored and just wanted to get a responce! If he really thinks that way well, what a sad little man.

[Ian Rochester]

Of course there's more to life than window cleaning...........

there's:

Carpet Cleaning
Pressure washing
Office Cleaning
etc
etc

 

However, I was out window cleaning all day yesterday as one of my lads had a days holiday in, it's the first time I've been out hands on for a full day for a few months and I loved every minute of it.

Two of us, started at 7am finished at 3pm, mix of pole work (some up to 60') and ladder/blade work, then at the end of it went for a well deserved pint! 

What more do you want   

[simon knight]

 then at the end of it went for a well deserved pint! 

Did a 9 hour shift yesterday...no stopping for lunch

Driving home from the last job all I could think about was the 4 pack of Fosters in the fridge. Gets indoors and the missus says: "You've remembered we're at your mums for dinner tonight."  The missus knocks off lunchtime on Fridays and always has a quick bottle of wine(or 3) with the girls so she can't do the driving...BUGGER!

Re the wfp v trad....who gives a stuff?!

[elite mike]

then at the end of it went for a well deserved pint! 

Did a 9 hour shift yesterday...no stopping for lunch

Driving home from the last job all I could think about was the 4 pack of Fosters in the fridge. Gets indoors and the missus says: "You've remembered we're at your mums for dinner tonight."  The missus knocks off lunchtime on Fridays and always has a quick bottle of wine(or 3) with the girls so she can't do the driving...BUGGER!

Re the wfp v trad....who gives a stuff?!


quite right, ime off to turkey next week , stuff the work  

[TennetClean]

Mike, I dont ever post things just for a responce.  Why would I care what other people think? I dont!

go around pricing work telling people ''its illigle to clime ladders and any one who dose is breaking the law'' this is rubish

Really.  Because guess what I don't think it is rubbish.  As far as I understand it, if it is possiblr to do a job from the ground then it HAS to be done that way.

Thats not a rule according to tennetclean, that IS the law.  Or do you think window cleaners are above the law?

[AuRavelling79]

Tennet, in principle I agree that if an insurance claim case went to court, working off a ladder when it could practically be done from the ground could be shown to be working against the regulations. The w/c and possibly the customer will be held liable.

Until that crunch point many window cleaners will take the risk and never get to have that point tested. In practical terms H&S, the public, the law etc. have more pressing matters to worry about than this potential infringement of the H&S code.

An articulate person can explain this (preferably in writing) to prospective customers. An inarticulate person blurts out "it's illegal to use ladders" and those continuing to use them usually respond "in kind".

Personally I "know" what H&S say and so I choose not to use a ladder where avoidable. I will also explain to prospective customers my view as to what may happen in an insurance claim case, but I don't hound ladder users either directly or by reporting them. And if a domestic customer chooses to ignore my advice and use a ladder man (happened twice in the last three years) then I don't make an issue of it.

[TennetClean]

I understand what you're saying malc, but I'm not talking about insurance, I'm talking about the law.

Do I have the wrong end of the stick, or IS it the law that if you can do a job from the ground then it is illegal to do it from ladders?  I'm pretty sure it is, but I'm no lawyer.

Because when it comes right down to it, if that IS true , then guess what ladders pretty much ARE illegal for window cleaning.

Ive never had the need to explain this to a customer, because in my experience they understand just that you need to work safe and are happy with that.  But if there are blokes going round saying "window cleaning with ladders is illegal" no offense but however much you might dislike it, that is actually true. (if it can be done with wfp.)

[poleman]

Your wrong TennetClean!

It does say you can use a ladder in the WAHR! read it and your find out

But I agree that most don't give a toss about it, and that it does say if you use a ladder, you have to use some sort of stabilizing device, and most dont     

[windowwashers]

I understand what you're saying malc, but I'm not talking about insurance, I'm talking about the law.

Do I have the wrong end of the stick, or IS it the law that if you can do a job from the ground then it is illegal to do it from ladders?  I'm pretty sure it is, but I'm no lawyer.

Because when it comes right down to it, if that IS true , then guess what ladders pretty much ARE illegal for window cleaning.

Ive never had the need to explain this to a customer, because in my experience they understand just that you need to work safe and are happy with that.  But if there are blokes going round saying "window cleaning with ladders is illegal" no offense but however much you might dislike it, that is actually true. (if it can be done with wfp.)

the wording of the 2005 WAHR does say something like you should use other means before using a ladder if available

[TennetClean]

It does say you can use a ladder in the WAHR! read it and your find out

Does anyone have a link, I am interested to find out now just what it DOES say.