[windowwashers]

WFP has better results than trad without a single doubt, Luke

Hmm !!! Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?

because new people start doing it think it is easy, it is not if you want it done right, same as trad, they get annoyed because it costs them money to start with then give up and go back to what they know trad.

thats my outlook on it

[Adam Boss]

The speed and the money madness kicks in with WFP, results come in second. Also the saftey aspect is the old excuse.
I use both trad and wfp and give my customers quality cleans first and been wfp 2 years now, it's not all it's cracked up to be.
If you want to charge silly money for the time taken to clean and you can get away with it then go for it, but I have been in the business 20 years and results come first and a fair wage for the days work.
Example: last week someone asked a price for a shop window and someone came back with £8.00 for 2 minutes work, this is ripping someone off and you can argue the toss till the end of time but it's still a rip off.

Adam

[NWH]

WFP has better results than trad without a single doubt, Luke

Hmm !!! Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?

Because your cleaning there windows in half the time at least and most people feel that there getting robbed for the time that your at there property simple as that,i bet most people when they don`t want you to clean anymore can`t find a genuine reason ie the windows just arn`t as good as they were when they used to be when cleaning the old way,they normally say i don`t like my brickwork wet or my path the list goes on,not that i`ve had any of these complaints i`m going on what i`ve heard from others on here.You turn up in a new van in a good mood,you don`t have to be a brain surgeon to work out your earning more money,jealousy is a terrible thing but that`s what it boils down to.

[Captain Scarlet]

Its called Capitolism!! Luke

[simon knight]

Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?

Well those "wfp users" have nothing to do with me, in mine and lots of other peoples hands a wfp is better than trad. There are lots though who dont do it right, Luke

Luke i can only speak as I find. Most( if not all)  the negative stuff from customers I read on this forum relates to wfp not trad.

[groundhog]

Example: last week someone asked a price for a shop window and someone came back with £8.00 for 2 minutes work, this is ripping someone off and you can argue the toss till the end of time but it's still a rip off.

Adam

Why is that a rip off?, the shop owner has obviously agreed the price and is happy with the work, we are all in business to make money after all! It makes good business sense to get the best possible price for the service you offer. Personally I would not do any job no matter how small for less than £10.

[NWH]

Example: last week someone asked a price for a shop window and someone came back with £8.00 for 2 minutes work, this is ripping someone off and you can argue the toss till the end of time but it's still a rip off.

Adam

Why is that a rip off?, the shop owner has obviously agreed the price and is happy with the work, we are all in business to make money after all! It makes good business sense to get the best possible price for the service you offer. Personally I would not do any job no matter how small for less than £10.

I agree,if you don`t have a minimum charge you`ll end up with a round full of rubbish.And that`s no fun running around doing jobs like that when your behind.

[Captain Scarlet]

Simon for a start most of the users on here are wfp so it is a little bias in that way, so there will naturally be more complaining from wfp users. Secondly it is obvious when usi g trad methods that you have left streaks but with wfp you have to be more confident ( and have good technique ) that you are leaving the window clean. Luke

[simon knight]

I DON'T LEAVE STREAKS....BLOODY CHEEK

[Captain Scarlet]

 

[Adam Boss]

The more guys going soley WFP suits me because then it will come back and bite you when areas are flooded with guys who have read threads and posts of very high earnings and think they can make a fast buck and undercut other  guys, they will then come and winge that someone has been poaching  work from them. ( you only have yourself to blame). Jealousy has been mensioned, wake up and look at the big picture !
If you can't trad then you have no fall back If drought orders kick in or frozen days or customers want the windows cleaning without getting areas soaked.
I use my wfp to clean high and awkward windows and if a customer has bad frames or dodgey putty then they don't miss out cos I will trad them.
If you can't trad well then you shouldn't call yourself a professional window cleaner because you can't do every aspect of the job.

Adam

[Captain Scarlet]

Solutions to the following problems:

f you can't trad then you have no fall back If drought orders kick in or frozen days or customers want the windows cleaning without getting areas soaked.

drought order - collect rainwater instead ( I know this idea sound wrong but we all know that the droughts are down to leaks and over consumption not lack of rain )

frozen days - heater in van/ hot water

getting areas soaked - be more careful and use a flow control on your hip to start/stop water

[NWH]

The more guys going soley WFP suits me because then it will come back and bite you when areas are flooded with guys who have read threads and posts of very high earnings and think they can make a fast buck and undercut other  guys, they will then come and winge that someone has been poaching  work from them. ( you only have yourself to blame). Jealousy has been mensioned, wake up and look at the big picture !
If you can't trad then you have no fall back If drought orders kick in or frozen days or customers want the windows cleaning without getting areas soaked.
I use my wfp to clean high and awkward windows and if a customer has bad frames or dodgey putty then they don't miss out cos I will trad them.
If you can't trad well then you shouldn't call yourself a professional window cleaner because you can't do every aspect of the job.

Adam

I was 15yrs + a mug i mean trad so i know how to blade and scrim,but i`m now in the business to make money,99% of people want clean windows and couldn`t care less how they get em,save your life and make enough money to be able to enjoy your life go WFP.

[Adam Boss]

"Secondly it is obvious when usi g trad methods that you have left streaks"

Luke with comments like that you have never been trad or if you have been trad the you wern't a good one .
You never leave spots and runs do you cos every widow is perfect ! my a**e.
NWH, 10 shop fronts @£4.00 lasting 2minutes is far better than one @ an extortionate price of £10.00.
If you tried to charge £10 for an average shop front in my area you would get laughed out of town.

Adam

[Captain Scarlet]

ASBOSS - YOU HAVE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD ME

I was reffering to the fact that you are physically closer to the window so its obvious you have left streaks so you can then correct them

[Adam Boss]

NWH,
 I am no mug and make a very good living !
Maybe I will see you soon on Rouge traders, oh sorry I mean Windex.

[NWH]

"Secondly it is obvious when usi g trad methods that you have left streaks"

Luke with comments like that you have never been trad or if you have been trad the you wern't a good one .
You never leave spots and runs do you cos every widow is perfect ! my a**e.
NWH, 10 shop fronts @£4.00 lasting 2minutes is far better than one @ an extortionate price of £10.00.
If you tried to charge £10 for an average shop front in my area you would get laughed out of town.

Adam

And if i was buying a round with your prices i`d laugh you out of town.

[Adam Boss]

Luke,
no apology coming mate ,cos you said trad guys leave steaks when I for one don't leave streaks !
It's a forum and if you don't want replys like mine then don't make sweeping statements.
NWH,
I don't have to buy rounds as mine has been built by me, again you take the easy way out. Mine is mainly commercial and all good prices also on many jobs I have been recomended because of the quality of my work. ( so I must be doing something wrong )

Adam

[Captain Scarlet]

If you tried to charge £10 for an average shop front in my area you would get laughed out of town.

I have a n £8 minimum for my shop fronts, some of which are £16, they only take a few minutes but I am the only insured wc on the street so they are willing to pay the extra, they only take me 2-4 mins each, Luke

[NWH]

Luke,
no apology coming mate ,cos you said trad guys leave steaks when I for one don't leave streaks !
It's a forum and if you don't want replys like mine then don't make sweeping statements.
NWH,
I don't have to buy rounds as mine has been built by me, again you take the easy way out. Mine is mainly commercial and all good prices also on many jobs I have been recomended because of the quality of my work. ( so I must be doing something wrong )

Adam

I don`t buy rounds mine has been established for over 30-40 years,it`s the creme de la creme of work.