[PaulKing]

(My 2 pennies worth)

This happened to me yesterday, we are carring out a load of works for the Local authority housing lifting, storing and cleanig carpets, went into the house and room not cleared big lcd telly on,and both tennatnt sat there smoking, bit my tounge and started work only for the plumber to come in and say, right your smoking your stricken offf the job today list and you'll have to wait till after christmas to get your central heating fitted as the lists full.

Customer said it my house i'll do what i like and quick as a flash the plumber said "it not you house it the councils i work for them and you have been told about smoking" two minutes later the suit arrives tell me to leave as well.

I smelt of smoke all day and thinking about refusing also in future.

( the reason I post)

My mums  dying of cancer at the moment and is suffering complications of the chemo that have shut down her kidneys, and it looks very likely she won't see our next child in febuary, something she dearly wants and she never smoked in her life ( however my dad did, she was also working at windscale when the fire broke out in the reactor, so I'm not blaming smoking outright)

My point is this after battling cancer for 6 years and seeing how it has effect all my family and those around, if you have never been directly involved seeing it hapen to a close famly member or a loved one count yourself very lucky.

Yes uncle tom cobbly live tilll he was 90 but he was lucky,the wards at the northern cancer centre are full of 40-50 year old dying or at the very least leading severly comprimised lives.

Mum gets out (hopefully for a day visit) to thier flat overlooking the river and she wants to sit in the window and look out so asked the one and only smoker from the offices round the corner if she could not smoke under the window tommorow, as it was upsetting for my mum who has trouble breathing now( even nicely explained why) she told me not to be so stupid and no one could smell it in a window 10 ft above, I was there to clean the carpets so went out the back door got the TM's CO2 extinguser off the van went in opened the window quietly and let it off. She now has a grasp of gases and there movements, and now I won't walk out to a load of fAg butts on the path as well.

Why would you want to comprimise your health smoking? let alone run the hig risk of cancer  ( when I realised for what it ment this I stoped) 

So why would you want to comprimise your health breathing other ignorant peoples smoke?

It a free society and that extends to the non smoker too, they chose not to smoke you have to respect that not the other way around, I don't go into the smoking garden at my local and don't expect the smokers to light up in the pub.

[carpet guy]

It's nothing to do with us / v's them, it's about a healthier lifestyle for the current and future generations, making progress.

The past three decades have spawned an " F U " society, with predictable results, which are just coming to light, or in reality being admitted.

There is something seriously wrong when we have an average of 13 young girls being admitted to hospital each week with kidney and lung diseases which, until recently had affected men in their late 50's and 60's.

The reasons are obvious....................so are the answers !

[PaulKing]

p.s i stoped smoking in november, 2002 was booked soild for christmas working 7 til 6 and suddenly found I was getting home at 3 every day ?

It confused me for two days and got out the diray of the previouse year, yep same sorts of jobs in same areas?  it because i was taking f*g breaks.

Now work 7-7 as have a lot more energy and it has increased what i earn, so cold hard cash is also a factor and that has a habit of leveling evrything and bringing it into very clear focus.

4 more hours at work each day at this time of year = at least 1 extra tps and carpet £200+ a day extra = £1000 a week, or smoke some ciggys and look at the glowing end, no contest in my eyes anymore. In nov - dec thats £8k. ( not working weekends, unless it good money then i'll do a saturday) And still get home to kiss the lad goodnight, and have the funds to take january easier with family.

Also I don't get winter colds anymore.

If only I could kick the bacon sandwich addiction!

[turneylogan]

I am a smoker, but anyone who lights up even in their own home in front of a someone providing a service, in this day and age, is downright rude and disrespectful and so too is anyone condoning this action.

Imagine quoting for a job and lighting up in someone's house.

Trouble is, it used to be acceptable, like drinking and driving many years ago. Unfortunately, some people haven't moved with the times and the advances of medical knowledge. My grandfather was a GP in the early 1900's and used to tell my mother a cigarette a day was good for clearing out the lungs!

I know my addiction can kill me, but it doesn't make it alright to impose a health risk to others.

[PaulKing]

fair play to you Betterclean you sound like a resonable person, good luck if you ever decide to quit.

[stains-away]

What a load of crap, I walked through Tesco's carpark yesterday and nearly died of carbon monoxide poisoning, therefore I've decided that I'm not going to do any work for people who drive cars.

I trod in dog sh*t as well so dog owners will be on the banned list.

I noticed a while ago that stopping for a cup of tea cost me 15 minutes so anyone with a kettle in there house wont get any work done, getting paid at the end of the job costs time so I would rather work for nothing and be onto the next one.

The smoking ban in England is for public places, if I choose to light a ciggie, spliff or bong up when someones working in my house that's up to me, if they don't like it they can f*ck off and find a smoke free job somewhere else (no doubt leaving the driveway in their electric van so they don't kill the local wildlife with their diesel fumes).

As for the smoking ban, what about the people who work in trades with smoke and fumes, welders etc, can they now refuse to weld unless their bosses find a smoke free system?

I know a woman who never smoked but choked to death on a chicken bone, perhaps they should ban chicken in public places, another who grazed her leg whilst strimming and died of blood poisoning, perhaps they should concrete over all green areas to stop the risk.

What it all boils down to is that this country is now a complete nanny state where common sense has been replaced with pen pushing prats employed to make stupid rules for the apathetic Brits to follow like sheep, and next year they are doubling the numbers so they can put the leaflets out in Polish, Portuguese and poxy Punjabi 

A cigarette takes about 3 minutes to smoke, but to be fair we will say 4, if your smoking is costing you 4 hours production a day thats 60 cigarettes during the working day, I too would of given up at that point, saving nearly a grand in 2 months on buying them 




Some English people yesterday, running from someone alledgedly smoking a cigarette......

[The Great One]

Hi

Look, andy, stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean!

Loved the photo by the way.

i don't smoke but worked in casino's for 20 years. A smokers paradise (was)

Doing some research recently i noticed it also has a lot to do with diet.

It seems that Sugar feeds cancer.

I have never wanted to smoke and can't stand the smell. a customer yesterday automatically went into his garden to smoke, i never asked him, very nice of him to do that.

Paul

I really feel for your mum.

Regards

Martin

[turneylogan]

The rules are in www.smokefreeengland.co.uk, but basically you can't smoke in work places or work vehicles.

You can't subject people to secondhand smoke so you can't smoke in your van before your staff get in. You can however smoke in a work vehicle with a removable roof and the roof is down, so the simple way round smoking in your van with staff is to buy a convertible van or saw the roof off.

Anyone has the right to smoke in their own home unless it is used for work. There is nothing to stop anyone smoking in their home whilst you are cleaning it but an employee can ask his employer to provide a smoke-free environment.

Interestingly you can smoke in your hotel room, care home or prison.

[stains-away]

Look, andy, stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean!

Yeah, sorry about that, I never was very assertive, must try harder 

You can't subject people to secondhand smoke so you can't smoke in your van before your staff get in.

A works van can be smoked in if it is only used by one driver, any passenger would have to agree to the driver smoking for him being allowed to do so, if you were stopped whilst smoking in your vehicle with a passenger who said that they didn't agree with you smoking then you could be prosecuted.

A scenario for your perusal,

I'm in my van going to collect a casual worker, i ask if he/she minds if I smoke, they say they do mind, I pull over and they walk home.

Or,

I collect an employee then get stopped by the police for smoking with a passenger, they ask passenger if he/she minds me smoking, passenger says they don't agree, I get fined, they take a trip to the job centre minus the fine money, stopped from their wage packet.

On a personal level, employee gets in the van and say "Andy, would you mind not smoking because I dont like it/it makes me smell like a bonfire/whatever reason" then I wont smoke.

The thing is theres a difference, being requested by someone in your company and being told to do so by some idiot in Downing Street.

so the simple way round smoking in your van with staff is to buy a convertible van or saw the roof off.

Thats no answer now is it?

Everyone knows that you cant chop the roof off a van thats going to have employee's travelling in it incase a pigeon craps on them and they get avian flu 

[turneylogan]

Only a problem in Norfolk at the moment

[Dennis]

Only a problem in Norfolk at the moment

No, there's a cure now, don't you read the papers?