I did mention the wind up pole on Aquatec forum about 5 months back, but I never stated the companies name because I was thinking of getting involved in designing with olympia. If they had gone through with it I was going to ask you Jeff to help test prototypes as I didnt have any wfp experience but I wasnt going to let them know that. I explained in detail to olympia about wfp, and that this was an opportunity for them to enter the market and I would help them with the design. They said maybe but then said no, I dont know why but perhaps they didnt realise the money that could be made! Luke