[P®oPole™]

Ive had replys from the big boys on this, and I find it conclusive.

At 18ft its fine to lift your brush but as many of us said, there is still no need, rinsing brush on is quicker, identical results and puts one's mind at ease knowing there is small if any risk when used correctly, of long term injuries, R.S.I and alike.

The correct technique of using poles is to rinse brush on and move around while cleaning the window, dont just stand in one spot using your arms.

You mentioned a couple of times that glyn @ omnipole instructed you himself to rinse brush off, Im very very shocked by this, and will try to contact glyn myself because I have my doubts that a repertable company such as omnipole would give such dangerous advice, I would like for them to elaberate on this.

Regards
ProPole

[Jeff Brimble]

All depends on the weight of your pole, I use say 1lb @ 18ft, 2.2lbs max.@30ft
Also depends on leverage, if you stand close to the building then you can lift off higher.

[groundhog]

You go for it Propole! I was shown a video clip at omnipoles office, and they were definitely rinsing brush off!

Of course if the pole is being used at a great height it may not be wise to try and lift it off the glass, in these circumstances I just do the best that I can by tilting the brush head slightly when rinsing. 

I have tested this out many times and have found that the best results are achieved when you rinse with the brush off!

To be honest though I don't really care how you rinse, I will do it my way and you do it yours

[Peter Fogwill]

You go for it Propole! I was shown a video clip at omnipoles office, and they were definitely rinsing brush off!

Of course if the pole is being used at a great height it may not be wise to try and lift it off the glass, in these circumstances I just do the best that I can by tilting the brush head slightly when rinsing. 

If that is the case then the brush doesn't really have to be lifted off the glass does it?  I mean if you can work your way round it at height then you can work your way round it at second storey as well?  Probably at say 50-60 feet you won't be able to even tilt the brush, you will probably just rinse with the brush on the glass?  And if that is the case are you saying these windows at above 25 feet or so are not being cleaned properly?
Not very professional in my mind if that is the case.

I am not having a go at you in particular Groundhog even although you had one at me.  I am just trying to get my point of view across about rinsing with the brush on or off the glass.

Peter Fogwill

[Peter Fogwill]

Propole, it would be interesting to see how the poll went if you run it again in say a years time.

Peter Fogwill

[jeff1]

This would cure all your problems 

[drew86]

Like the look of that, who sells them.
Drew

[jeff1]

Drew,
I forgot were i got the picture from but if you give me a few minutes I'll have a look for you

[jeff1]

Drew

Wintec do an adaption for there pole.

http://wintecs.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=16&products_id=156

[drew86]

Cheers Jeff £42.00 not a bad price, but sure I could use my engineering skills and make an adaption for my own poles, thats certainly got me thinking.
Drew

[jeff1]

Cheers Jeff £42.00 not a bad price, but sure I could use my engineering skills and make an adaption for my own poles, thats certainly got me thinking.
Drew

Then don't be mean and make one for everyone

[P®oPole™]

Propole, it would be interesting to see how the poll went if you run it again in say a years time.

Peter Fogwill

Hi Peter,

I would imagine it would be slightly more in my favor, I know all the old school wfpers with say 2 or 3 years experince or more, will rinse brush on becuase they too are very compitient and skilled with poles. Wfp has only been around for a blink of an eye, alot of people with bad habbits will suffer in years to come and maybe have unwanted fingers pointing at them, Im glad I wont be one of them.

Im delighted to see there are a few suppliers out there that at least give the correct and sound advice.

Many Thanks Peter

Kind Regards
Alex


Groundhog you have alot to learn with regards to wfp work, may I surrgest the B.W.C.A a place to start,  because its pretty obvious you dont have a clue what you talking about  im not starting and argument its just how i see it.

Guys belive who you want, just remember the faces on this thread that says its ok, all are highly respected on this forum. Im sure they know there stuff wouldnt you say.

Some members here are talking absoulte rubbish fair enough if its there own way of doing it on small domestic stuff or they are using super light poles of some stature then fine, but without any evidence or scientific facts I know who I would rather belive, and its not groundhog, matt-diy, tom_currie and the likes of them.

Have another read and see who you think would be telling it how it is.

WORK SMARTER, NOT HARDER!!

Regards
ProPole

[Peter Fogwill]

This would cure all your problems 

No, it would give you more problems with contaminants being flushed out from above the glass and the brickwork.  When the brush is running along the top of the glass where will the water be spraying?  Even if you have the spray hitting exactly the top of the brush the water will still ark up the way.   It doesn’t work I tried it.

Peter Fogwill

[Jeff Brimble]

Absolutely agree Peter too much overspray. Just like Tucker.
Unlike the pic though I use micro ott jets.

[P®oPole™]

No, it would give you more problems with contaminants being flushed out from above the glass and the brickwork.  When the brush is running along the top of the glass where will the water be spraying?  Even if you have the spray hitting exactly the top of the brush the water will still ark up the way.   It doesn’t work I tried it.

Thats why I dont like fan spray, its good for curtain glass, but not for the average domestic window.

tom_currie mentioned somewere that tucker do jets (not spray) mounted over the brush, I have never seen that although I have on your pole Jeff that brush in the golf trolley, How does it work, any good?

ProPole

[Jeff Brimble]

4 ,micro jets (one in each corner and two in the middle, better that three jets as the middle uses most of the water.) to hit the glass 1/4" above the bristles so that you can rinse as you go or by a slight pressure rinse thro the brush. Ideal if you want to get right up to the top of sash windows and with no overspill ideal for doing Georgians without getting the paint oxide all over the place.

[jeff1]

This would cure all your problems 

No, it would give you more problems with contaminants being flushed out from above the glass and the brickwork.  When the brush is running along the top of the glass where will the water be spraying?  Even if you have the spray hitting exactly the top of the brush the water will still ark up the way.   It doesn’t work I tried it.

Peter Fogwill

Peter
I'm still traditional so I havn't got a clue, but thinking about what you said and reading previous posts you are right.

[P®oPole™]

4 ,micro jets (one in each corner and two in the middle, better that three jets as the middle uses most of the water.) to hit the glass 1/4" above the bristles so that you can rinse as you go or by a slight pressure rinse thro the brush. Ideal if you want to get right up to the top of sash windows and with no overspill ideal for doing Georgians without getting the paint oxide all over the place.

Like it Jeff, wouldnt mind one myself 

[Jeff Brimble]

http://img212.i.us/my.php?image=p1010030wd5.jpg
Taken from WFP Training Academy-
You dont need pressure, just enough flow for the job you are doing, I use between 1/3rd and 1/2 litre per min but can push out 2 litres. I found with ott sprays like that shown that the overspray caught the heads of the windows including bad paint and that I got lots of trouble after I had gone with runs all over the place.
I then went over to thro the brush sprays which I used for many years and with less flow, "pushed" the water wave right up to the top edge of the pane but not over the top onto the head.
I now use 4 jets aimed over the top of the brush to just go thro the bristle tips if I press a bit, but if I dont press I get really accurate rinsing.
Heres a pic  http://img481.i.us/my.php?image=p1010027wf1.jpg showing two yellow sprays on the left, notice the overspray and 2 green 1mm jets on the right. You could also mount either to go thro the brush if you wanted. I only do frames as an extra so the ott jets suit my style but maybe not yours. Also only just seen on left, yellow (leave caps on for sprays and green or blue with caps off for jets about£4 pack of 6. They simply lightly screw fit into 4mm irrigation hose
2. Buy some u shaped plastic channel drill 6mm holes thro both sides at the angle you require, push the 6mm pipe though and fit the jets. Fix to the brush head at the angle you require with 2 screws thro the base of the plastic angle. If you use bigger pipe use bigger channel. It makes it simpler when you want to change brush heads to just move the whole manifold.

Because they are on stalks of pipe they withstand the knocks, if they need adjusting, I just press/push the stalk in the direction I need. The volume is controlled by the little tap. I have another one on the pump and can balance between the two to achieve what flow I need simply by adjusting one or the other. Comes in handy to just drop the featherlight and adjust or switch on/off at the brush head.
3.They are simple hoselock micro irrigation "jets" from any good garden supplier or do a google search. I get mine from my local garden centre.
Just had athought about fan sprays but will have to go shoppingm, may or may not work but will post results at the week end.
If you want to use the spray pattern thro the brush, just carefully cut out one tuft of bristle, drill a smaller hole to get the whole nozzle cap into from the back, to bite into the brush head then drill a slightly bigger hole to accept the base of the yellow jets. You have to cut off the little wings with a strong pair of scissors and then just force the jet into the slightly enlarged hole. Doing it from the back is harder but means that the nozzle doesnt stick proud of the brush head and rub on the glass. When you cut out a bristle shank you need to fit a cylinder shield over the drill bit to stop the drill grabbing the bristles next to it. I think that removing just what you need is better than trimming out a whole row because there is more brushing power.

[P®oPole™]

Jeff Im not getting the first pic, the second one im very impressed with, do any suppliers sell this type of design?

Im going to try converting a brush to a similar spec, is it a important to have your flow set exactly right for the jets to hit above the brush?

Were did you get them little taps from? do you have to buy a set of irrigation kit, or can you buy all the bits seperate from any decent garden center?

How do you split one tube into four? I see you have nifty little elbows etc in place, can I go for a Y piece followed by two more?

I can see this being really benifcial with regards to seeing the jet clean right into the top bit of glass and as you say on sash windows to get right under that center bit. And the jets on the outside getting right into the edges.

Look foward to your results on the fan sprays, I to might post my pics of the brush Im going to convert, following Jeffs advise.

Kind Regards
Alex