[Ian_Giles]

Macc,
I use whatever I happen to be using in my Trad bucket!

At the moment I have gone back to fairy, I only use a weak solutiion for window cleaning though.
I prefer to use the specialist detergents in a sprayer though, such as Unger liquid and so on.

Groundhog,

You have to bear in mind that you need a slightly different technique of cleaning the window, it'll also depend on your flow rate too.

As an example:

Yesterday I was doing a few shops in a local village, these come up flawless normally with WFP, however, when I went back to collect the sun was at that perfect angle that will highlight any flaws in your work.
Sure enough, on the doors of the one shop were some spots, ditto on another shop a little further along.
These were spots that I know have happened because of the brush being contaminated with unsoluable stuff....but on this occasion, and even though I had washed and cleaned the glass thoroughly, there were spots.......

Windows were rinsed with the brush off the glass and not on it!!

Jobs were rectified (by trad methods) and the brush was cleaned, work afterwards was checked (just to be sure I was doing things right) and everything was back as it should be.

Just because you rinse off the glass does not mean you will never get spots, both methods work well, but to rinse on the glass your technique does need to change a little, practice makes perfect as they say.

Ian

[groundhog]

I know that holding the brush off the glass does not guarantee that you will not get spots, what I am saying is that if you hold the brush on the glass to rinse you are far more likely to get spots!

[Ian_Giles]

mmm, we;ll have to agree to disagree on that point!

Personally I've never had a problem, but each to his own and whichever method he gets used to

Ian

[Jeff Brimble]

Max height brush off  65ft-just
When developing the fishing pole idea I realised that you dont get enough weight to flatten all the bristles and most scrub with the "sides" of the bristles , this also applies with some other brushes like the dual trim, they stand off the glass like a wire brush and wasnt the effect I wanted.
The answer was to alter the working angle of the brush head so that the bristles all pointed upwards and use fine jets ott. The scrubbing action is then done on the upstokes and you no longer pressure.

Right back to the topic and the spotting problem. There is glass that will always spot even with pure RO water. But the majority of spotting comes from contaminated brus heads. If you look at a brush as its working the dirty water goes within the bristles and lies there almost horizontal, waiting for an opportunity to come back out and attack your nice clean windows 
The last thing on the glass ideally should be clean water not a so called "clean" brush.
Now if you angle the brush so that the dirty water runs backwards  to the brush stock and then drips off, you are lessening the chances of contamination. Its best if you actually see this effect in action. You obviously need a brush that swivels in one plane to do this.
Just something to think about.

[vistech]

no need for all the arguing its still a lot easier than ladders

[Pat Purcell]

I think the evidence might be hidden in Jeffs bank acct

[Jeff Brimble]

" I've heard you say before that windows that bead cant be cleaned above a certain height thats a false statment."
I totally agree !  to my knowledge I have never stated anything like that because its not common sense. The height of the window doesnt come into it. Windows that bead can be cleaned at any height just that some will still spot even after clean water. Some do some dont.

[macc]

Thanks Ian

[Jeff Brimble]

Pro Pole, Do you mean this bit ?
"but at the heights you work ther should only be glass that sheets, so you should be ok.
That was in the context of the reply to Pat who is a chairman, I once saw a pic he posted, looked about 14 floors up in the States,where no one could get to put any sort of polish or coating, therefore the glass should sheet perfectly.

Quote "Also Jeff you didnt answer my question on how long you have rinsed off the glass, as wfp has been going in the U.K for 9 years now I doubt there are any old school wfp users still doing it brush off.
Didnt reply to that because I dont generally rinse off the glass now , I use a brush thats got the 4 jet supply ott and rinses as you go with the brush on the glass.
The subject of the 3 different types of glass is long and complicated and probably worthy of its own topic. Along with the dreaded "spots"
Hope this helps.
ps I started in autumn 1998

[P®oPole™]

Thanks for the reply Jeff, I was not doubting your knowledge as I know from reading many of your previos posts dating back years that you are a very experienced shiner.

You say that you dont generally rinse brush off, does this 4 jet brush you have allow you to easily rinse brush on the glass?

There should be poles with jets mounted above the brush, I have fan jets above some of my brushes but never use them as the spray just goes every were.

Regards
Alex

[Jeff Brimble]

Pole pro
Q Sorry Jeff but I have to disagree with this, I think its all in the flow rate if you have the water in your tank you can have the flow which ensures a sufficient rinse
Ans So you need just enough water.
Quote "  The brush is allways kept clean of impurities because of the pure water and the process of it."
If you have oxidised and flaky paint that leaves particles behind in the brush head, this doesnt work.
The hot windows brigade.
Quote "If its the sort of glass that sheets then if you use enough water its no problem"
 but if its glass that doesnt sheet,  on the hot glass the impurities bake on. "Thats why some time ago I started building my round not on price, but on customers with glass that sheets.-It takes time.

[tom_currie]

please reread my post and the quote i used from yourself and the answer i gave it is straight forward enough i knew the products you do not one would expect a pro to know this as tucker were first out there with wfp. as i said i am reasonably experienced

[drew86]

Pro Pole you have indeed created an interesting debate, and I for one as a newbie to wfp would not question your ability or experience as you have indeed achieved quite alot in this industry for one so young.
I myself have indeed found this paticular debate very thought provoking, and have found myself testing all the therorys put forward but have not as yet come to any firm conclusions other than rinsing of the glass not being that difficult as I find I can ballance the pole up to 20ft with one hand without causing undue strain to myself.
I would just like to offer you some advice regarding your postings when replying to other forum members that post something you dissagree with, I have noticed that you display an arrogance in your writings that is not called for, maybe this is not intentional on your part but it is offensive all the same, which is a shame as most of the time your contribution to this site is of value, especialy to the newbies like myself and it would be a shame if you feel you cannot continue to post in future.
Just remember as the old saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Drew.

[P®oPole™]

Hi Drew,

Thank you for your kind coments, I have since gone back and deleted a few posts as I will not lower myself to a level some would, if you look at my first posts on this topic you will see them to be positive and constructive untill it was hijacked an turned into an argument.

This thread was surrposed to help people out, im dissapointed no suppliers have answered my questions I thought they could at least comment, someone mentioned omnipole instructed them to rinse brush off if this is the case then im very shocked, I might ring around a few suppliers next week putting foward my questions about use of poles and see what they say, also I dont see anyone who has replied with how long they have rinsed brush off glass I doubt you can do it day in day out for many years over say 30ft you got to have some seriously light poles or R.S.I will be knocking at the door.

Kind Regards
Alex

[macc]

Hi Alex (Pro Pole).

I found your posts interesting.

I run a Tucker & i was told when rincing to lift the brush off, thought i would let you know as you plan on making a few calls. It would be interesting to know if you phone Tucker if you could post up reasons from the suppliers you talk to.

Many thanks for your help so far, its only been about 10 months for me so far & i would have been lost if it were not for you guys & girls on this forem that know what there talking about. 

Macc

[P®oPole™]

Hi macc

Thanks for your reply, Im not putting tucker or there equipment down I just dont like there salesmen, some advise I was once given wasnt entierly justified.

I also enjoy reading post on this forum and taking advise from members, some guys on here I have alot of respect for and one day would hope to come close to emulating them and the sucsess of there business.

I will calm down on my posts from now but when I put my opinion in I dont like getting comments back like "poleboy"  "change my name im not a pro" I like to think that some of my advise is correct and some of you have taken tips from me, I no I have earnt the right to call myself a profesinal so Im not bothered, but I think from now I will just be a silient member as a certain few just take it a little to far.


Kind Regards
Alex

[D woods]

Hi ProPole
I enjoy reading your posts and I like the aggressive style of your writing.
But you should not get wound up, when people criticise you .

One other thing the window cleaning industry is full of people who resent anyone who becomes successful .

[P®oPole™]

Hi David,

Many thanks for your kind comment, I to enjoy reading your posts and would never question anything that came from your mouth, as said before I have alot of respect for some members on hear you being one I look upon very highly and one day would like to think I could even come remotley close to being in the same league as your company.

Kind Regards
Alex

[Mike_Boxall]

Polepro / Groundhog - I've got better things to do on a Sunday Night than sort out your squabbling! I've deleted all the posts that I consider to be argumentative. Perhaps you'll both respect each others opinions and continue discussing this topic professionally.

Thanks

Mike

[P®oPole™]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your invaluable input into this forum, since your here maybe you would be so kind as to answer my question seen as you do supply poles.

I look foward to your reply.


Alex