[neil100]

If i am useing my mini pole with a vikan brush head I will allways rinse off the glass. Though it has to be said their is no problem with RSI on a short pole.

If I am useing my 38' facelift pole with facelift brush I pivot the brush on its side to rinse. Why anyone would want to try and lift off the glass at that hight is beyond me. Needlessly to say I dont use this arm breaker of a pole very often.

If its my 18' pole with a Gaza brush on, 95% of the time I leave the brush on the glass, Any new cleans I rinse on the glass and then give it another quick rinse off the glass. Occasionaly I pull off to rinse to see how it feels, Then go back to brush on the glass.

If you are having problems with RSI get a salmon brush and leave the brush on the glass. Your arms and hands will be very glad you did.

Nel.

[EasyClean]

I couldnt give a monkeys Im talking facts.

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU RINSE BRUSH ON OR OFF.

its easier to clean with brush on, its all in the head just like when it beads down the glass, like i said im totally confident with my working practise I very very rarley get complaints also im confient that I will not be getting R.S.I also I will not be wasting energy and will probably be able to clean many more houses over a day than than the shiner down the road who takes his brush off. SWEET 

Hi I am 'Easy Clean' NOT 'easyclean'. I totally agree with 'Poleboy'. I don't want 'RSI' and I wouldn't trade under the name of 'Easy Clean' if I had to lift my WFP brush head off the panes of glass Just to 'rinse it'. To the other 'easy clean' have some confidence in your tools and save yourself 'RSI' and a lot of wasted energy and try rinsing with the brush on the glass.

[pjulk]

I rinse with the brush on the glass but with the brush tilted slightly.

I think you get a better rinse that way.
And i never get a problem with spots or runs.

I can see after years of lifting off the glass to rinse people are going to be complaining of back injuries.

After already having a back injurie im not taking any chances.


Paul

[jouk45]

i dont know what kind of nozzles you have used or seen before, mines almost  pushes the brush of the glass, 

[craig jwc]

I have 3mm jets in my brushes and if i feel i am having a problem rinsing glass that is beading i just tilt the brush slightly.
It seems to work for me.

Craig

[gaza]

JOUK:YOUR CHEATING your using aa power washer
Ivery seldom rince?have the flow turned up so when  you push up to the top of the frame.a cascade of water flows down  the pane as you move the brush to the right
to take your next pull down .then up to the top and move right.the  a quick left to right along the top.maybe another left to right,

yes it does leave spots donnt want to dissapoint my customers, cus they would be dissapointed if I did a perfect clean,after been told by w/c using ladders its useless
[THATS W/C AROUND HERE]

BYthe way you can only do this when theve been cleaned a few times,unntil then I leave the brush on when rinceing.

  gaza [you will all be trying it tommorrow ]

[david68]

New to WFP but i like to think Propole is right because lifting of glass is killing me.

Dave

[Ian_Giles]

You can also rinse with the brush on the glass but only the tips of the bristles actually RESTING on the glass.

Some of the weight is still being taken up by the brush and will help reduce strain on your lower back as well as your shoulders and arms.

your flow rate will also have an impact, the higher the flow rate the less the likelihood of spotting while rinsing on the glass.
I think that perhaps if you operate with a minimal flow rate rinsing off the glass may be more benificial for you, though as I have always used a high flow rate I cannot make an accurate comparison...

Ian

[groundhog]

At first floor level it is no effort at all to lift the brush off the glass to ensure that you get a better finish, alternatively just do them trad if it is domestic

[pylofm]

Sorry my post should have said "does anyone here rinse on with a Vikan brush"?

Cheers
Dave.

[sham33]

Get rid of the vikan brush's have the flow as fast as u can and never lift off. I use to try and conserve water and i use to have a vikan brush. Now i have a decent brush with my facelift pole and use near to 2 litres a minute and i dont need to lift brush off the glass and its so much faster to clean. Oh and they come up even better than before.

[drew86]

What brush are you useing sham.
Drew.

[Clear Vision]

Maybe I'm missing something here but can you please tell me why we purify the water? Is It not because the water Is contaminated???

So what Is the point of using pure water on windows If the last thing to touch the glass Is the brush? (the brush Is contaminated after you clean the first pane!) It picks up dirt and cob webs!

The last thing that should touch the glass should be 100% pure water! and not a dirty brush!!

[Ian_Giles]

your brush is being continually rinsed clean with the constant flow of pure water, single filament brushes will of course be flushed cleaner than flocked bristle brushes, that is only logical.
Therefore, providing you have done your job correctly, both glass and bristles will be flushed clear of all contaminants, regardless of whether the bristles are touching the glass or not.

But you should also clean the bristles of your brush, regardless of whether or not they are single filament or flocked bristles.

The reason being that you will pick up contaminants that are not water soluable, they will gradually work their way off the bristles of the brush through normal usage, but your brushing action will allow them to adhere to the glass, resulting in very TINY spots (not the normal spotting left behind as a result of you not washing the glass thoroughly enough)
Won't matter whether you rinse on or off the glass, if this happens thenn you WILL leave spots behind.

Use a hand sprayer with a detergent solution in it, or dip your brush in your Trad bucket and give your bristles a good scrub, the detergent will of course disolve any grease and so on, turn on your water, rub your hands briskly over the bristles for a couple of minutes and you are ready to go again!

It does make a difference!!

When you see a greasy handprint on the glass, or some young women has 'snogged' the window pane, or a drunk has smeared his takaway over the window, use your applicator to give it a brief scrub, these are the greasy marks that should you scrub them with your brush will leave non soluable contaminants on the bristles, which if you ignore you will then re-deposit in very tiny spots on other panes of glass.

And human fat or grease takes specialist chemicals to get rid of!

I know this because a mate of mine is an industrial chemist, runs his own company and has specialized in developing chemicals for disolving human fat deposits left in showers and swiming pools!!

So....keep your brush head cleaned regularly!!

Whether you rinse on or off the glass, keeping your brush cleaned can only help!


Ian

[P®oPole™]

Maybe I'm missing something here but can you please tell me why we purify the water? Is It not because the water Is contaminated???

So what Is the point of using pure water on windows If the last thing to touch the glass Is the brush? (the brush Is contaminated after you clean the first pane!) It picks up dirt and cob webs!

The last thing that should touch the glass should be 100% pure water! and not a dirty brush!!

Hi matthew,

As Ian said and I mentioned last night, the brush is not contaminatied with inpurities only foreign bodies that are not water soluable, they hold in the brush or are washed away.

I also use a high flow rate 2ltr + pm, its alot faster, better results and allows one to easily clean brush on the glass without breaking your back allday.

There is a tecnique to rinsing with brush on the glass so all the water dont just fall out the bottom of the brush, with brush on its so much easier its helps the flow tremendously, I think double trim brushes also help never used vikans so cant comment on them.

Also this is a very touchy matter, I'm supprised no suppliers havent replyed on this thread, there could be alot of pointing fingers in years to come.

Im glad no one who has ever worked for me will be able to come back with a claim because I didnt show him the correct method of using telescopic poles. My employees are engaged in potentially hazardous activities and I have comprehensive training plans and records to ensure relevant competencies are established and sustained.

Regards
Alex

[macc]

Hi Ian.

Great advise on the cleaning of brush. Can i ask what deturgent you use, how much & how often you clean your brush. Thanks.

Macc

[groundhog]

I did an experiment today, I cleaned two identical windows on the front of my house. I cleaned one as I normally do and rinsed with the brush lifted off of the glass, the other window I also cleaned as normal, but I left the brush on the glass as I rinsed.

The results - both windows looked clean, but on close inspection the window that was rinsed with the brush on the glass had lots of small spots, the window which was rinsed with the brush lifted off the glass had no spots.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, I am just sharing the results of my test with you. 

[jouk45]

yeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Londoner]

This has really given me something to think about. I rinse with the brush off because that was what I was told to do and I have never questioned it.

I am going to start experimenting to see how it goes. Rinsing is the slowest part of the job and if we can cut the time it would be significant.

The forum strikes again !

[windows_chepstow]

Has anyone ever washed down a large PVC sheet of plastic that you might find on a 'blind' side of a conservatory?

When rinsing the grit and dirt, it's easier to rinse with the brush on; and it's easy to see the effect your rinsing technique has.

Okay, one reason for better effective brush-ON rinsing on PVC sheet plastic could be that it's not as smooth as glass; so the bristles help to agitate the dirt downwards.

But another reason could be that it's a better - more effective - way to rinse?