[neil100]

Bumper.

What are you talking about. Lazy wfp.
The dictionary defenition for Lazy :- Resistant to work or exertion, given to idleness. slothful. Slow moving, sluggish.

When this lad is at work He would blow you away because he works at such a high tempo, The hose is reeled in and out at breakneck speed and everything is done at warp speed. When he earned £500 in 10 hours wfp, he was shaking when he got home through the effort that he had put in. Sorry a Lazy person would not do that and if your doing that trad for the day you will earn around the £200 mark. Deffinetly not slow moving or sluggish then.

The lad as decided that money is not the be all and end all in life. Time is what really matters to him and he wants to use his time on the things he classes as important. Society dictates you should work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day for what your boss will pay, minimum wage £6.00 an hour upwards. 8hrs x £6.00 = £48.00 x 5days = £240.00. I wonder how many lazy persons choose this option.

There are some of us who do not buy into what society says is the norm. He as set a target of what he wants to earn a month to live off. he reaches that with ease, he is not someone whos on the dole wanting the state to provide for him. Hes his own boss setting the hours he wants to work and living life as he choses. That by defention does not make him lazy.

A lazy person would not put the effort in to build a quality round like he has got.

Their are very few people in life who are content with what they earn, they allways want more. this lad is happy and content with what he earns and at the momment spending 3 weeks exploring Canada.

Nel.

[JohnL]

From Trev'

Ok Squeaky, lets do this then.

1) Ripping off customers to justify equipment costs?  Think if you read many postings about this you will see if anything people feel the prices will come down, not up!


Interestingly of the 5 new customers I have picked up recently from word of mouth, 3 have moved from  WCer's who have recently changed to a WFP system because they put the prices up dramaticaly giving the reason they had to pay for the high investment price of the new equipment/technology!  Oh, and one previous to this shot himself in the foot by filling his van system up from the customers outside tap without asking and they were on a water meter so they were doubly unhappy.

Perhaps some are increasing their costs to cash in but some will clearly have to revise their price because some customers will soon realise that costs versus time will show savings which they will want to see a share of.


JohnL

[neil100]

Naughty boy filling tank without asking.

Prices? I put my prices up 20% when I went wfp this year to help get some of the set up costs back. Customers are delighted with their nice shiny frames and shiny windows.

I did not think it was excessive a rise. First it was 2 years since I last put up my prices, and I have told my customers the present price will be held for three years which equates to a average 6.5 % a year approx.

I have lost 30 customers this year approx, for lots of diffrent reasons, the most common reason being price. But There are lots of w/c who will undercut you in my area. Fair Dicum I provide a very proffesonal service that most customers appreciate whilst cleaning windows to a very high standard. I will never price match and my w/c round is the biggest its ever been.

Customers pay for a quality service, Cheap w/c come and go.

Nel.

[Paul Coleman]

Bumper.

What are you talking about. Lazy wfp.
The dictionary defenition for Lazy :- Resistant to work or exertion, given to idleness. slothful. Slow moving, sluggish.

When this lad is at work He would blow you away because he works at such a high tempo, The hose is reeled in and out at breakneck speed and everything is done at warp speed. When he earned £500 in 10 hours wfp, he was shaking when he got home through the effort that he had put in. Sorry a Lazy person would not do that and if your doing that trad for the day you will earn around the £200 mark. Deffinetly not slow moving or sluggish then.

The lad as decided that money is not the be all and end all in life. Time is what really matters to him and he wants to use his time on the things he classes as important. Society dictates you should work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day for what your boss will pay, minimum wage £6.00 an hour upwards. 8hrs x £6.00 = £48.00 x 5days = £240.00. I wonder how many lazy persons choose this option.

There are some of us who do not buy into what society says is the norm. He as set a target of what he wants to earn a month to live off. he reaches that with ease, he is not someone whos on the dole wanting the state to provide for him. Hes his own boss setting the hours he wants to work and living life as he choses. That by defention does not make him lazy.

A lazy person would not put the effort in to build a quality round like he has got.

Their are very few people in life who are content with what they earn, they allways want more. this lad is happy and content with what he earns and at the momment spending 3 weeks exploring Canada.

Nel.

Which is exactly the way my life would be if I didn't owe money etc.
When I first started window cleaning I had little and owed nothing.  I eventually learned how to earn decent money from a ladder back in the early 90s.  There were times I would wake up in the morning and just decide to take off to say Cornwall for a few days to visit friends.  I earnt less than I do now.  I certainly owed a lot less than I do now.  I was a lot happier with my life in many respects.  I won't ever get that type of life back but by working hard for a few years I can get into a healthy position once more and have my freedom again.
Best wishes to the guy for putting work in its rightful place.

[neil100]

Well put Shiner.

Some people work to live, others live to work, a few are slaves to work, but a fortunate few find the balance between life and work.

One of my sons is an actor, he needs money to live, but he lives to act, he has a great lifestyle and cannot beleive he gets paid for something he loves doing. He his a rare case in life.

The beauty of w/c is that gives you the choice of how hard you want to work and what you want to earn.

My youngest son at the momment is building up his own w/c round with a little help from me, but he likes the fact how much he earns will be dictated to by how much he works and how hard. He his setting up wfp only instead of trad. Which is great as we dont have to worry about him falling off a ladder.

Weather your trad or wfp it gives you the choice of how hard to work. I started in 1980 and in 2 years I will reach the youthfull age of 50. I want to see the world, I have raised my family so me and the wife are going to travell. I plan to only work for 9 months of the year, having 3 months in winter to go to places like Australia. New Zeland etc. I have worked hard all my life, but wc as given me a very good lifestyle and I have put a lot of money away over the years and made some good invesments.

Wc gives you the choice in method and how hard you want to work.

Nel.

[Paul Coleman]

Well put Shiner.

Some people work to live, others live to work, a few are slaves to work, but a fortunate few find the balance between life and work.

One of my sons is an actor, he needs money to live, but he lives to act, he has a great lifestyle and cannot beleive he gets paid for something he loves doing. He his a rare case in life.

The beauty of w/c is that gives you the choice of how hard you want to work and what you want to earn.

My youngest son at the momment is building up his own w/c round with a little help from me, but he likes the fact how much he earns will be dictated to by how much he works and how hard. He his setting up wfp only instead of trad. Which is great as we dont have to worry about him falling off a ladder.

Weather your trad or wfp it gives you the choice of how hard to work. I started in 1980 and in 2 years I will reach the youthfull age of 50. I want to see the world, I have raised my family so me and the wife are going to travell. I plan to only work for 9 months of the year, having 3 months in winter to go to places like Australia. New Zeland etc. I have worked hard all my life, but wc as given me a very good lifestyle and I have put a lot of money away over the years and made some good invesments.

Wc gives you the choice in method and how hard you want to work.

Nel.

Window cleaning is the best job I've had.  I can work hard and earn well or I can skive off if I feel like it without having to ask permission.  I don't have to beg time off to go to the doctor or dentist.  I can have a lie-in if I'm knackered (and if my noisy neighbours don't wake me) and I don't have to work for difficult people.  I even get along quite well with people who, in most industries, would be regarded as competitors.
How many industries will you get someone offering a "competitor" a bit of unofficial training free of charge (well maybe for the breakfast anyway  )

[Moderator David@stives]

Come on lets tell the world how much window cleaners can earn, this is one aspect of the arguement we should leave out.
£500 is a rarity and if the truth be known 90% struggle to take £500 in a week never mind earn that much after deductions.
Most of the window cleaners i know locally are on much less than that figure even the wfp boys,

Dave

[JohnL]

Well said David - supermen I am not and I dont believe many WCers are   

its like the hod carrier, you have to do it while you can 'cus it will not last forever - stamina - being overly fit and full of energy and go etc

only mho

JohnL

[AuRavelling79]

I am not wfp cos I am lazy or cant hack ladder work anymore. Thats far from the truth, only last Saturday I did a 26 mile run which took me over three mountions in 5 1/2 hours.


Nel.

Way to go Neil! Which mountains were they?

I did three mountains on Saturday too and that took five and a half hours as well - but that was only about seven miles!

[neil100]

Malc,

Whernside. Inglbourgh , Penygent, They are known as the Yorkshire three peaks.

I am doing the lakes three peaks in two weeks, Thats 47 miles and includes Skidaw, Helvellyn and Scar fell. Did it last year in 11 hours but I could hardly move when I had Finished.

Dave whats wrong with letting know what somebody earns? If you have the Amercian mentality it should be Good on him and If he can do that so can I. Putting a price down should inspire others to try to acheive it.

Nel. Think positivley.

[Moderator David@stives]

Neil

All i am saying is tell the world, then where will be in 5 years time, you are not just telling a few mates you are telling the world.

How many people do you think are coming into window cleaning just because they have heard tales of £50k a year, only to be dissillusioned with the reality.

Big earners keep it to yourselves because you are not helping no one,

That is my opinion

Dave

[neil100]

Sorry Dave but I dont agree.

The lad who earned £500 in a day is just an odinaery lad who has been given good advice on how to price up properly and work hard. If everyone did the same it would stop the dole boys w/c and a lot of w/c undercutting each other.

Not everyone can be a success at w/c cos they lack the self dicipline to work and dont have a good buisness plan.

Nel.

[Moderator David@stives]

£500 in a day, ok everyone how many here can get anywhere near that figure?

I would say most dont even turn that over in a week, with statements like that you are giving out the wrong impression
 

As i have said before, this is an extremely rare case and cannot be achieved by 99.9% of window cleaners just a few supermen

Dave
Answers please

[JohnL]

I agree with you Dave and imho its high time people stopped bragging about how much they can or do earn on this site - thats not knocking you Neil100 but it gets boring to hear inflated and isolated figures like this which give a completely inaccurate image of WCing


JohnL

[ronaldo]

£500.00 a day!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would be happy to earn that a week, i must be doing something seriously wrong. 

[Sir Squeaky]

All i am saying is tell the world, then where will be in 5 years time, you are not just telling a few mates you are telling the world.

How many people do you think are coming into window cleaning just because they have heard tales of £50k a year, only to be dissillusioned with the reality.

Look what happened to plumbing.

Nearly half the kids in school a year ago wanted to be plumbers.
Too many now, and it doesn't pay so well.

[windows_chepstow]

£500.00 a day!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would be happy to earn that a week, i must be doing something seriously wrong. 

I know a local window cleaner who has one day, every other month, where he can earn that amount.

But usually; nowhere near.

But I think if you live 'down South', have been window cleaning for a few years; work somewhere between 30 to 40 hours per week; £500 a week shouldn't be a problem; weather depending.

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To Neil100,

Wor Lass is running the Snowdon Marathon in September; she reckons it's something like the second toughest road marathon in Western Europe!

Fancy that?  You sound like you could do it.  I'll be there, egging her on; eating cheese-burgers and holding a can of lager, shouting, 'C'mon - faster - you lazy Taff'.

I'd like to see you there!

Next year she's planning to run a Mountain Marathon, but her map reading skills are non-exsistant; so a female friend (a quality female runner) is going to run with her.

[Extremeclean]

Sorry to say this but are some of the members here crazy?

Look at the number of registered members of this forum and then take a look at the number who regularly post. I for one will keep quiet about earnings. I even see posts where people have shown properties and they state what they earn from them some of these have quite easilly identifying features on them. I am sure there are lurkers who watch this sort of thing and use the info they gain for their own purposes. If you get my meaning.

There is a wealth of knowledge available to anyone here on the hows,costs,equipment needed and everything neeeded to get into window cleaning. Please be a bit more discreeet about posting earnings. Whether it be per property or per day,week etc.

By all means pass on tips about becoming successful to help others but as the old saying goes.. walls have ears. Or in this case. Computer screens.

[windows_chepstow]

Sorry to say this but are some of the members here crazy?

Look at the number of registered members of this forum and then take a look at the number who regularly post. I for one will keep quiet about earnings. I even see posts where people have shown properties and they state what they earn from them some of these have quite easilly identifying features on them. I am sure there are lurkers who watch this sort of thing and use the info they gain for their own purposes. If you get my meaning.

There is a wealth of knowledge available to anyone here on the hows,costs,equipment needed and everything neeeded to get into window cleaning. Please be a bit more discreeet about posting earnings. Whether it be per property or per day,week etc.

By all means pass on tips about becoming successful to help others but as the old saying goes.. walls have ears. Or in this case. Computer screens.

Extreme,

Posts of this nature have been ongoing since the inception of this and other similar forums for about three years now.

Window cleaners start up, can't hack it and leave.  I personally know of one ex-member who put his family through turmoil, because of the big earnings promised from this site, only to return back to his previous occupation; no doubt a bit demoralised too.

It's not easy money. 



But David@St Ives has often made the same point as yourself.

[Extremeclean]

Yes Tosh I can see what you mean.

I don't think that in general it is bragging. I think it's people who are gunuinely proud of what they have achieved through hard work and determination and done in the spirit of encouragement to get people to get off their back sides and put in the effort. I am sorry about what happened to the ex member but really he must be a bit wet behind the ears to think that mega earnings are easy to come by in any business.

Once again I refer to my thread about change being on its way. A smart and motivated person can glean a whole lot of info and then use it to  formulate a realistic business plan.

I am justas proud of my business as many here are of theirs but I still like others not in our trade to think of me as just another window cleaner